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Old 9th January 2019, 12:29 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Except that thylacines are known to have been extinct since the 1930s and there has not been a single verifiable sighting of one since that time..........
Verifiable? No. But there have been some excellent sightings, including a (from memory) three minute long observation at close quarters by a park ranger in the 1980s. An aboriginal tracker took some photos of what looks like a thylacine digging, again, in the 1980s, but this time in WA. There was a German(?) tourist photo taken in the last 20 years or so showing what looks like a thylacine from such close quarters that it cropped much of the animal from the shot.

Again, these are some evidence (of varying strength) of a known animal existing within its former range.
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Old 9th January 2019, 12:33 AM   #42
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.......A population of Thylacine would have either had to survive on the mainland unnoticed for the last 2,000 years, or somehow been smuggled into Victoria before around 1930 when it was known to be highly endangered.........
Thylacine's original range included mainland Australia. There are plausible stories of a Tasmanian (again, I am doing this from memory) wildlife officer releasing some individuals in Victoria in the 20s.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
It was a phone camera, according to reports I read. It explains the poor quality, but doesn't help answer the question of why he made only one still shot.
He may have made several and this is the best one.

I agree what he photographed is not a Tasmanian Tiger. Evidence - try to find this article in an Australian paper. Might be hard to find.
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
If it was in the UK, I’d say it was probably a fox.


There are foxes all over Australia.
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I'm, frankly, surprised at the number of seeming experts on carnivorous marsupials we have on the forum, go ISF!
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There are foxes all over Australia.
Not sure what the rolling eyes are for. I don't know if foxes are present in Australia, and wasn't in a position to check easily when I posted. If the photo was taken in the UK, my first, and pretty much only, guess would be a fox or fox-like dog. In Australia, there are other options, some of which I may well not be aware of since I'm no expert on Antipodean mammals, even leaving out purportedly extinct ones. I'm pretty sure I can name all the mammals of that apparent size that are at large in the UK.
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
...snip...I'm pretty sure I can name all the mammals of that apparent size that are at large in the UK.
Don't worry if you can't, we will undoubtedly have a number of seeming experts who can.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
It was a phone camera, according to reports I read. It explains the poor quality, but doesn't help answer the question of why he made only one still shot.
Maybe he didn't; maybe that's just the only one that was worth a damn so it was the only one he kept, or the only one he submitted. I very often take multiple shots of things with my phone camera but only end up keeping the best-looking photo.
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Not sure what the rolling eyes are for. I don't know if foxes are present in Australia, and wasn't in a position to check easily when I posted. If the photo was taken in the UK, my first, and pretty much only, guess would be a fox or fox-like dog. In Australia, there are other options, some of which I may well not be aware of since I'm no expert on Antipodean mammals, even leaving out purportedly extinct ones. I'm pretty sure I can name all the mammals of that apparent size that are at large in the UK.
Red foxes are a pest species here. They are very common. IIRC, they were brought from the UK and let loose for the purposes of continuing that grand old sport of fox-hunting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_foxes_in_Australia
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Red foxes are a pest species here. They are very common. IIRC, they were brought from the UK and let loose for the purposes of continuing that grand old sport of fox-hunting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_foxes_in_Australia
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Yes, foxes and rabbits. Thanks Poms.....
Send 'em back!
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Legs seem too long to me, and I think the tail is not as long as it appears. I think it's blending with a branch/foliage making it seem like a longer tail.

Plus, we should be able to clearly see the stripes on the body, yet we don't.
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Legs seem too long to me, and I think the tail is not as long as it appears. I think it's blending with a branch/foliage making it seem like a longer tail.

Plus, we should be able to clearly see the stripes on the body, yet we don't.
I don't think the stripes would be that visible. The photos from 100+ years ago have all been pimped in Photoshop to up the sharpness and contrast. In the wild, especially at the limits of a camera's resolution, I doubt they would be visible.

That said, maybe it is a fox, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was what it is claimed to be. It's not like it's bigfoot or mothman, it's a known and (aside from its disputed status) wholly unremarkable creature.
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That said, maybe it is a fox, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was what it is claimed to be. It's not like it's bigfoot or mothman, it's a known and (aside from its disputed status) wholly unremarkable creature.
I would agree with you if this photo was taken in a place other than the Ballerine Peninsula. What’s a major vacation area near you, with forests nearby? Would you accept that an exotic or extinct creature would be there based on a blurry photo?
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I don't think the stripes would be that visible. The photos from 100+ years ago have all been pimped in Photoshop to up the sharpness and contrast. In the wild, especially at the limits of a camera's resolution, I doubt they would be visible.

That said, maybe it is a fox, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was what it is claimed to be. It's not like it's bigfoot or mothman, it's a known and (aside from its disputed status) wholly unremarkable creature.
If we can "see" the tail stripes, then we should be able to "see" the rest of the stripes, imo.

Plus, in the Zoo photo, the tail stripes are nowhere near as visible as the body stripes. You can really see this in the old movie footage on Wiki. The tail stripes are weak compared to the body stripes.

In the new photo, people claim to see tail stripes.
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Looks like a dog or dingo.

What you are thinking is the tail looks like a branch from the fallen tree, right next to it.
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I don't think the stripes would be that visible. The photos from 100+ years ago have all been pimped in Photoshop to up the sharpness and contrast. In the wild, especially at the limits of a camera's resolution, I doubt they would be visible.
Yes, I'd tend to agree with that. The resolution of the phone camera, the length of the lens and the artifacts of the jpg generation are all going to mean that extracting useful detail from a single image is difficult. Shame they didn't shoot a video.
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That said, maybe it is a fox, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was what it is claimed to be. It's not like it's bigfoot or mothman, it's a known and (aside from its disputed status) wholly unremarkable creature.
That's a rather large thing to ignore, given what a number of people actually in Australia have said about the location.
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....... Would you accept that an exotic or extinct creature would be there based on a blurry photo?
No, absolutely not. But what I would accept was that there was a mystery worth solving, and I would be setting camera traps.
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No, absolutely not. But what I would accept was that there was a mystery worth solving, and I would be setting camera traps.
And then 100 years later we're "still just looking" and that's how we get the Figbooters.
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And then 100 years later we're "still just looking" and that's how we get the Figbooters.
The difference being that this is an animal which certainly existed, and within its historic range.

Are you really suggesting that animal sightings aren't followed up? Really? I personally moved the northernmost boundary of the range of the African Black Footed Cat some 400 miles, with a well observed and recorded sighting, at night and without a camera, in the Kafue National Park, Zambia. Are you really saying that no-one should have followed up my claim to have seen an animal hitherto unknown north of the Zambezi?
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It's the old caretaker in a rubber fox mask. Trying to bring the tourists back now the old carnival has closed down. And he'd have got away with it if it wasn't for you pesky ISF kids.
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I would agree with you if this photo was taken in a place other than the Ballerine Peninsula. What’s a major vacation area near you, with forests nearby? Would you accept that an exotic or extinct creature would be there based on a blurry photo?
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That's a rather large thing to ignore, given what a number of people actually in Australia have said about the location.
I wouldn't come to any conclusion based on one photo, what I'm saying is it wouldn't be a great surprise if it did show a Tasmanian Tiger, especially since there are other recent photos and videos that offer some form of evidence (most notably the 1973 Doyle video, which I find quite compelling).
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Looks like a dog or dingo.

What you are thinking is the tail looks like a branch from the fallen tree, right next to it.
I think you are correct about the branch.

Though I vote fox. Because of the long branch/tale my brain wants to see it as tiger size, but if you take away the branch and think fox size, it looks right.
I don't know the local vegetation so have no real context for actual size.
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I'm gonna say, "Nope!"

Certainly a single grainy photograph is a staple of "Omigod an extinct species!" I mean, only one picture?

As mentioned, the colouring - particularly on the face looks inconsistent with the photographs of the animal in the zoo, and as mentioned, the tail itself, which is one of the more suggestive aspects of the picture and without which we would probably dismiss it out-of-hand is also suspect and could be a number of different things including a stick in the line of sight.
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Here's a video for dissection claiming possibly two Taz Tigers

https://youtu.be/D_M-SskpGi4 two
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Looks like a dog or dingo.

What you are thinking is the tail looks like a branch from the fallen tree, right next to it.
Maybe a dingo ate your Thylacine.
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Here's a video for dissection claiming possibly two Taz Tigers

https://youtu.be/D_M-SskpGi4 two
That certainly looks more interesting. Particularly the way it moves.
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Parcher already debunked that video if I remember correctly.

Mangy fox with a limp.
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Parcher already debunked that video if I remember correctly.

Mangy fox with a limp.
Ah, yes.
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Parcher already debunked that video......
Oh well that's that then. Settled.
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You don't agree with Parcher and the Shrike?
It's pretty damn obvious.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=3218
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Parcher already debunked that video if I remember correctly.

Mangy fox with a limp.
I don't agree with some of his posts but there's no need for that.
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Oh well that's that then. Settled.
The animal is pretty obviously injured. That could indicate something about the way it moves. Also, although the woman mentions stripes, I don't see any.

Ultimately, it comes down to what is more likely:

An injured fox, which we have plenty of evidence for.
An animal believed extinct for 70 years (by the time this video was made) apparently living within fairly close proximity to humans.

(She has some further anecdotes which I think stretch credibility even more such as the time she saw a fox and a thylacine together, and a time when something she thought was wallaby roadkill got up and turned out to be a thylacine with blue eyes (!))
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Are you really suggesting that animal sightings aren't followed up?
No I'm just saying that the existence of a living Tasmanian Tiger within the parameters presented to us is still very, very unlikely so while a cursory follow up might be warranted I do not wish for us to get drug down into proving a negative.
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Old 9th January 2019, 08:20 AM   #76
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This one doesn't have a limp

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Old 9th January 2019, 08:24 AM   #77
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Looks like a dog carrying a long branch
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Old 9th January 2019, 08:25 AM   #78
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
This one doesn't have a limp

https://youtu.be/DSLRWr6vDP0
Neither does this one:

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I AGREE
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Old 9th January 2019, 08:27 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
........ while a cursory follow up might be warranted
So when you said you disagreed with following this up ("that's how we end up with Figboot"), you actually meant you agreed. Understood.

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I do not wish for us to get drug down into proving a negative.
Someone has suggested this, have they?
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Old 9th January 2019, 08:34 AM   #80
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Neither does this one:

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It is noted that you have a Baz Battles video in your Next Up selection.
Bravo.

*Actually that might be my next video*
So Bravo to me.
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