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9th June 2009, 10:39 AM | #1 |
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Chemtrails nonsense
Spotted in the NZ Heralds weather blog were the following posts by someone (Bruce Voight) claiming to be from Canada. (Partial quotes only, for the full quotes click here to see the full article.)
As always I'm rather curious to learn just where this goofball learned his 'science'... Quote 1.
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Who the heck knows.
That reads like the time cube guy. |
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I have absolutely no idea...
Somehow the link in the OP got messed up. I'm re-posting it below. New Zealanders are 'freezing' (NZ Herald, 8 June, 2009). The woo is in the comments section. I have no idea who 'Bruce Voigt' is, but the suggestion that he has some connection with the Timecube guy does bear looking at. |
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9th June 2009, 08:35 PM | #6 |
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actually, folks from NOAA did find that without all the contrails during the closure of America's airspace during 9-11, average temperatures did in fact decrease over the USA.
point? contrails may actually be contributing to global warming. |
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Bruce Voight or Sokal?
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10th June 2009, 02:56 AM | #9 |
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Questionss out of curiousity.
1. Do you know where the NOAA conducted tests to show the temperature decrease? I ask this because of high traffic areas; the data over NYC that day and the days following should be discarded as they would not represent accurate data on aircraft-specific generated heat as fires were still present. 2. What methods of collection were used (eg: previous year's data vs. data collected the day(s) civilian aircraft were grounded and then cross-checked)? 3. What was the drop in temperature while aircraft were grounded? Over what period of time? It wouldn't be the contrails themselves per se that contribute to temperature fluctuation. Contrails are merely the hot exhaust cooling into water vapor and/or ice; they are the visible effects of hot air cooling (not to be confused with induced drag from the wings (usually the wingtips, but also leading edge extensions found on many fighters) generating lift causing vortices to spin in areas of lower pressure, visible because of water vaporization). |
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No idea, I did a websearch using a phrase (" our Planet matured at known old fashion altitudes (clouds)") from one of the two posts the kook did on the NZ Herald weather blog.
This bought up just one thing a long (74 page, started in 2006) thread about crop circles over at something called the "PhysForum". It begins with the following from 'Bruce'
Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt
It would appear that this guy has been at this for a while... |
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While aircraft, as with anything burning fossil fuel, do pollute, it should be self-evident what you are seeing behind high-altitude aircraft are not "chem trails." I can cite current (operational) aircraft that do emit visible by-products (ie: "smoke") but there is no chem trail conspiracy. I would like to see data suggesting otherwise, not in the form of controlled tests of chemical release from aircraft (typically harmless but visible to show its dispersal). Plenty of these tests have been done, it isn't a conspiracy. The basics aren't even classified (look up CS gas, 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile or C10H5ClN2 (ANSI won't play ball for the sub 10, 5, and 2) for the chemists here). It is made visible for a reason.
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if chemtrails really were poison...why in the world would the NWO make them visible for all to see...and have them last for hours???
oh, right, the NWO likes to **** with our heads!!! now it all makes sense. |
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i believe it was an average temp decrease of 1 degree, nationwide. and i think it was during the period of 9/11 to 9/14.
i will find a link for ya. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/sc...rails.climate/ but... http://www.celsias.com/article/9-11-...ts-questioned/ |
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I appreciate the links, but I could not help overlooking this...
"And contrails are much more prevalent when the sun is out," he said. "When this is factored in, there is a possibility that they offset global warming, and this is what we are trying to determine now." Followed by "The researchers plan more studies to tackle that question, but they said they expect to rely on circumstantial evidence only." No s***? So...based on circumstantial evidence, we should be flying to our further destinations (given we can reach altitude before having to land) to circumvent "global warming"? I already do, but that's another story. |
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I have a picture in a book here of the sky over Dresden Germany during a B-17 raid in WW-2. The sky was almost obscured with condensation trails.
I suppose we were using chemical warfare against the Nazis, then? LOL Seriously, you see contrails when you see aircraft flying through a region of humid air where clouds have not yet formed. The aircraft's disturbance of the air, and the exhaust particles combine to allow nucleation of the moisture, and so nice linear clouds. If conditions are not right, they fade pretty quickly. If conditions ARE right they can persist or grow and become proper clouds. It is believed that they DO change the weather because they change the albedo of the planet and reflect solar radiation back into space. Europe being very congested with air traffic, this effect is considerable there. And WHY don't these nutjobs go out and buy a spectrometer, learn how to use it, and take spectrographs of contrails? They will find them to be not much different from clouds except of course for the jet exhaust. |
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It is believed that they DO change the weather because they change the albedo of the planet and reflect solar radiation back into space. Europe being very congested with air traffic, this effect is considerable there.
Actually, this isn't anything particularly new (the theory). The instruments (I'll get to that) are getting better and more advanced to measure what effect the contrails have. Further testing is required to make a determination as to how much effect the contrails have in any given area (high traffic vs. low traffic, high pollution vs. low pollution (areas), etc.). Los Angeles would be an excellent area for the high traffic/high pollution tests. And WHY don't these nutjobs go out and buy a spectrometer, learn how to use it, and take spectrographs of contrails? They will find them to be not much different from clouds except of course for the jet exhaust. Which nutjobs, exactly? Likely, they cannot afford the proper equipment nor have the academic background to translate the results even if they did. A point I'd like to make for anyone still believing in "chem trails." The military (primarily the Air Force, but all branches operate aircraft) dislike contrails. The reason? Contrails give away the position of the aircraft (even if the actual aircraft is not visible to the naked eye). Work/testing has been and is still being done to eliminate contrails as much as possible because of this reason. One can see the military advantage to eliminating the visible aspects of aircraft as much as possible. Not all ops are done during the night, and the military doesn't control the weather when the ops are carried out. |
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Saw this thread at The Daily Show forum last week. Check out some of the comments. Especially the guy going on about all the Filipinos dying because of it. ??? Unless he's confusing insecticde spraying somewhere and some kind of allergic/asthmatic reaction?http://forum.thedailyshow.com/tds/bo...&thread.id=833
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The kook I mentioned in the OP came back to the "New Zealanders are 'freezing' blog-post and added some more of his warped ideas on the true nature of the weather:
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Because they will only find their preconceived conclusions http://www.carnicom.com/spectra1.htm http://www.carnicom.com/spectra2.htm Wow, it's been a while since I posted a link to one of Cliff's "papers." |
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This is absolutely true. For an Operational Mission the altitudes where contrails are most likely to form are published by the weather folks, so that aircraft do not plan to fly at those altitudes.
In addition, wingmen look for signs of contrails and if they are present an altitude change is made in a direction dependant on the temperature predictions prior to flight. It is quite an important issue and taken very seriously by those who fly in harms way in order to not give an enemy any advantage in detection. |
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quote-Graham2001 -- As always I'm rather curious to learn just where this goofball learned his 'science'...
Graham2001 -- I have flown an aircraft through head winds of well over 200 mph with out experiencing any turbulence. Have ridden a motor cycle at over 100 mph without been torn apart. Have experienced the calm in the cell of a cumulonimbus cloud. I know of only one other and myself that has survived a Bermuda Triangle like encounter. |
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quote-Ohnoes -- So wait....Is he saying Earth is responsible for dark matter and the expansion of the universe or am I just reading that wrong?
quote-Cl1mh4224rd -- Wait, so... if everything produces cold, then the absence of cold is heat? When particles (AURA) of our Sun collide with particles (AURA) of our Earth we associate this as heat and light not fire. When particles of Earth collide we call this heat, light, fire. Fire, as we see it, is the collision of many small particles. A reaction causing an atomic reaction that causes a gas (oxygen) to enter into reverse evolution where expedient cell division takes place in which each new cell is smaller than the last. The phenomenon fire is the collision of these chaotic particles. These minute organisms (heat, light, fire) are a size to interact with the Earths force centrifugal and join the universe with their nucleus intellect as expanding dark matter. |
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That's not unusual. It's not the headwind that causes turbulence; it's the changing of the headwind that causes it. If you have a steady, stable headwind, it's not unusual to experience no turbulence. How does this support your claims that Graham2001 quoted above?
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No. FireWP is the oxidation of combustible material.
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I'm only quoting this because it's too insane and awesome not to. Holy mother crap. I mean, "reverse evolution"... Wow...
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Soooo... heat, light, and fire are living organisms? The people over in the Science subforum are going to tear you apart when these posts get moved over there. If you don't mind me asking, what's your level of education and when was that achieved? I'm also curious as to what research you've done to support your hypothesis about the nature of the Universe. |
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Wow.
That's some seriously wacky right there... I think I'm in awe. Shoo-in for the Stundies, am I right? |
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The day of 911, Aviation all across the USA was shut down except for the likes of Air force one and protective fighters. These same high altitude aircraft produced "chem" trails hazing over most of the eastern USA.
I'm not from Missouri so don't tell me that these same Air craft were outfitted with humongous spray tanks! |
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I thought about it, but his posts here aren't so much conspiracy-related as they are just mind-bogglingly bad science on the level of Gene Ray of Time Cube fame. ETA: OK, well... we're getting closer to Stundiable material. That's a pretty large area to cover for just a handful of small aircraft and a couple larger aircraft. Do you have evidence to support your claim?
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Well I asked for it didn't I!
A really COOL experiment Fill a stubby clear water glass ¾ full of water. Place in the freezer. Next day drill a ¼ inch hole down into the center of ice. Fill that hole with water then put it into the fridge (not freezer). After a couple hours you will notice that water surrounds the berg and the drilled hole of water is frozen solid! The AURA of air has changed the AURA of the glass that changes the repelling nuclei of the ice to attraction (thawing). At the center, AURA of the ice has sent the nuclei of water in the drilled hole repelling and the now many cold producing poles create freezing. A body of water whether it be a nuclei, cell, raindrop, pond, lake, “you” or ocean will have a common nucleus. The shape of that nucleus will depend on the shape of the body of water as orbiting nuclei centers to its mass. Unknown to education and science are the true workings of fire, water, air, light, magnetism, sound, sight, cold, hot. electricity, earthquakes, tides–and I could go on and on. I ask you, without knowing the truth of such things, how in bloody H can one determine the simple working of our universe?! The EDUCATION SYSTEM has not been able to explain the attraction and repelling of MAGNETISM. With out knowing this the EDUCATION SYSTEM can not explain the separation of rain, the attraction of a water droplet to a window, why one drop follows another, why a falling rain drop does not kill a small fly etc. The EDUCATION SYSTEM with out knowing the true workings of MAGNETISM will not be able to correctly explain water and H20. Wouldn’t it be Aw some to change the world for the better with just two sheets of rolled up paper! LETS DO IT! Take one sheet and role it up making a tube (just tiny pieces of tape to hold). At the center of the tube start marking small arrows away from you at an angle spiraling to the end (mark that end south. Go back to center and in the same direction start marking arrows to the other end (mark that end north. Do the same with the other sheet but make it a bit bigger so one will fit inside the other. You have just made two pretend bar magnets! Taking the two magnets insert the north pole into the other north pole. Note the arrows are clashing (repelling). Now insert the north pole into the south pole and the arrows are melding (attracting). This is where it gets real interesting! Looking at the north pole end, the arrows show the direction of magnetic force to be counter clock wise. Turning it around the south pole shows the arrows or force to be clock wise. Now “what is this” one direction has turned into two directions at the same time! yes but, yes but you say Its just how you look at it Two directions at the same time indeed. OK lets bend one around (horse shoe) and look at both ends at the same time. Don’t miss any thing here because this is how the world works. Note that the forces meld into a figure eight and that is how every thing in this world is held together. Joining the two ends (circle) show the forces in one direction. Place 3 tubes on top of one another having the north poles together. At center stick a pin or nail through all three. Lay ed out in front of you it is now easy to see the pretend AURA of the six poles. Clock wise the north repelling the north the north repelling the north the north attracting the south the south repelling the south the south repelling the south and the south attracting the north. This is the spacing of mature pole nuclei. (LIFE as we know it)hexigon The immature chips (nuclei) of the nucleus or the center of your pretend bar magnets are in orbit horizontally of the tube and are much smaller and faster with out much AURA producing the void or black hole of the nucleus. Because Forces of Equal Evolution act upon Forces of Equal Evolution the three tight orbits of the nucleus chips are separated the same way the poles of the nucleus are. |
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question: all those folks who say the "chemtrails" cause weird spider web like things on their houses and outdoor equipment, how come ive never seen that stuff where i live??
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If it's the ice itself that causes the water in the hole to freeze, then what purpose does placing it in fridge serve? Why wouldn't the same effect occur at room temperature?
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Where is your support for this premise?
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So, basically, you know how everything works and everyone else is just wrong. Thousands of years of experimentation and observation... all worthless and incorrect. Is that it?
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You'd do well to apply that question to yourself. Assuming that the workings of the universe are "simple" may also be a fatal flaw in your thought process.
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This statement of yours indicates that your only experience with science is through public education. Am I right? That aside, magnetism has actually been pretty well explained. Where'd you get the idea that it has not?
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Implying that rain "separates" assumes that rain starts out uniform. This is laughably false.
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The mass, density, and velocity of the raindrop versus the mass and density of the fly is not sufficient to cause harm to the fly. It's the same reason that ants can fall out of trees and survive. Their low mass and density allow for a lower terminal velocity, which reduces even further the energy at impact. You might as well ask why dropping a tissue on a fly doesn't kill it.
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Take a moment and make your pretend bar magnets!
HONEYCOMB By chewing pollen the bee produces a glob of wax. Immediately after the placement, the saliva or water of the glob interacts in repelling the wax away from the glob's nucleus. The wax takes on the shape produced from the three nuclei orbits of the water nucleus. What is called evaporation leaves an empty six pole or six sided wax structure. THE SNOW FLAKE An information cell (info cell) excreting from a life form of Earth (AURA) interacts with the force, Centrifugal, and is taken aloft. In its mutation or evolution it becomes a size to interact with the force, Gravity, (forces of equal evolution act upon forces of equal evolution). This determines the uniformity and elevation as these gas 'info cells' interact with the temperature, COLD, producing water (cloud). Each water droplet has is own info cell (nucleus) producing its own aura. In the case of cold temperature (freezing) the orbits of nuclei of the nucleus go into a chaotic state and instead of harmony or attraction, they are running into each other repelling. This causes the nucleus of the rain drop to literally unfold itself crystallizing as a unique SNOW FLAKE. |
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Have you considered going to school? Maybe some sort of science 101 (or earlier) classes? It might help clear up some misconceptions you have about reality.
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Sounds like the silliness on David Icke's forums.
Oh, by the way, if anyone cares - christophera lives over there now, spouting his usual concrete core nonsense. Even Icke's oddballs don't take him seriously. |
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I realize it's hard getting your head around new STUPH but our world has and is changing, we must take hold and grasp New Science. New Science will save us, Old Science won't.
Fire and heat activated that burning piece of wood to destroy itself. The dead dry wood is on it's own in self destructing. Like spontaneous human combustion this dead wood is still producing it's own oxygen. Talk about paranormal, the following is so simple yet it will take some to get your head around this one!!! If you pour a little Water on Fire, fire will influence this water to change back to what it was made from. By pouring lots of water on this fire, water will dominate and change fire back to what it was made from. So basically Fire is Water! My discovery and invention promotes the fact 100% that; Fire and heat activate the body to destroy itself (burn). The body does the damage NOT the flame or heat. In a short time after a burn and cure I found that I could reactivate the injury with the heat of the Sun or the likes of dishwater temperature leaving the recipient (with their permission) again with the excruciating pain of a second-degree burn. Treating the burn again leaves the recipient with no pain after just a few minutes and just traces of a once forming blister. This demonstration uniquely leaves nothing for the skeptics------ |
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