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14th July 2017, 04:29 AM | #81 |
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Now it's getting political, with cries of persecution, secret meetings of True Believers who know The Truth, and all the other familiar appurtenances of conspiracism . . .
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14th July 2017, 09:11 AM | #83 |
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Too bad that in the real world the density gradient actually bends light down, and that it's a pretty small effect. Flat earthers don't seem to understand that all this stuff can actually be measured, or they think all the measurements are lies in support of the massive conspiracy to hide the truth
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14th July 2017, 05:38 PM | #84 |
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Why is it that these kooks never seen to be able to understand anything, especially the 1st Amendment?
The 1st Amendment protects your speech and beliefs Government action, not from private citizens you idiots! If private citizens want to laugh in your face because you're a moron, that's their protected 1st amendment right! |
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15th July 2017, 11:26 AM | #85 |
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16th July 2017, 12:44 PM | #87 |
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How do the flat earthers' explain the 6 months of 'dark' and 6 months of 'light' at the poles?
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17th July 2017, 01:45 AM | #89 |
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I linked to a video upthread, in which they explain the differing lengths of day and night by stating that the sun changes its orbit every three months or so.
There was of course no explanation about how this happens, nor, also unsurprisingly, any experimental evidence to prove it. It's almost as if it's not scientific at all...... |
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17th July 2017, 04:07 AM | #90 |
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There is another breed of Flathead that insists there is no period of permanent darkness in Antarctica, all videos and first hand accounts claiming that there is are false and no ordinary mortal can find out thanks to the permanent border force.
Meanwhile, someone's wedding night lasted a looooong time http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...-knot-13314854 |
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17th July 2017, 06:36 PM | #91 |
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Funnily enough being from down this end of the planet, I actually know a number of people that have been to Antarctica, among them my Uncle (who was involved in the Erebus Crash body recovery) and a close friend who went down to study the dry valleys. Neither of them reported encountering this border force.
I am guess that they think this was faked too. |
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I find this guy entertaining:
I do hope some of the commentators are not serious and nerve actually bread.............. |
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19th July 2017, 04:59 AM | #100 |
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You don't even need the permanent darkness inside the polar circles. Just travel north and south and observe the lengths of day and night shifting exactly to what you'd expect from an inclined rotating earth circling a sun. I've not been in polar regions yet, but I've been to central Sweden near mid-summer, and the days were amazingly long. In one Nov/Dec vacation, I hopped from Germany to Vancouver to New Zealand to Hong Kong and back, and low and behold, there was season change, jet lag, and different lengths of days.
Or: Fly long distance from continent to continent, measure speed and time to determine distance, and then try to map it out on a flat map - doesn't work! |
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19th July 2017, 05:29 AM | #101 |
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Or just buy a planet ticket. At 40,000 feet you can see the curvature slightly. Or, go on a boat and look at stuff drop below the horizon. Hell, there's even a test track in Germany that has a long enough straight section to see the effect.
The mere fact that you can travel from one place to the other in both directions should be enough. |
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Wondering what Flat Earthers think of the idea of a "Polar route"
Quote A polar route is an aircraft route across the uninhabited polar ice cap regions. The term "polar route" was originally applied to great circle routes between Europe and the west coast of North America in the 1950s. The Soviet pilot Valery Chkalov was the first to fly non-stop from Europe to the American Pacific Coast. His flight from Moscow, Soviet Union to Vancouver, Washington, United States, via the North Pole on a Tupolev ANT-25 single-engine plane (June 18–20, 1937) took 63 hours to complete. The distance covered was 8,811 kilometres (5,475 mi). From Wikipedia |
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20th July 2017, 06:42 AM | #106 |
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Not just that. Take the known supplies of Antarctic traverses from Vivian Fuchs on, calculate the consumption rate, compare it to the required distance on a flat-earth map, and then wonder where they were getting the extra food and fuel and how they managed to hide the effort needed to set it up.
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I've asked him point blank to explain what he thinks his video proves. Nothing but crickets.
I have noticed the he almost always responds when some other idiot sycophantically praises him, but he seems to be figuring out that attempts to defend his "arguments" generally lead to him cornering himself. The few times I've coaxed him into defending his arguments, or acknowledging mine, he's responded with infantile dismissals and ad hominems that telegraph his insecurity and frustration with a giant gong. His entire collection of video posts is just one asinine claim after another. |
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Another flathead that can't prove anything in reality, just in his mind. I love the last few sentences in the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFDo75XeOL0
He thinks he gains some believability with them, hehe, just willfully ignorant. |
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Okay so I know the world is a globe, but I think I have found the absolute proof of it. A lot of math in this, but hey....
So back in the day I was into yachting quite a bit, and the biggest events were the Whitbread Round the World Races (this was before NZ was more involved in the America's Cup.) In the 1989-90 Race, New Zealand had its first win, Steinlager II, under the skippering of Sir Peter Blake, and the following year under Grant Dalton came our second win with NZ Endeavour. Steinlager II was in fact the first boat to win every leg of the race, which made that win very momentous for the country, and as an island nation with sailing something of a past time for a lot of kiwis, rich and poor, these races were followed extremely closely. So then what is my point, how does this disprove a flat earth. Well, Leg's 2, 3, and 4 of both these races were sailed from Punta del Este, Uruguay to Fremantle, Perth Australia, then to Auckland, New Zealand, and finally back to Punta del Este. Yes, they basically sailed a circle of the Southern Ocean at about 35 degrees South! From this we can clearly prove or disprove a Flat Earth because the sailing distances for these three legs would depend entirely on the shape of the planet! Taking each of these Punta del Este is found at 34.9369°S, 54.9281°W placing it 8,643 miles from the North Pole. Fremantle is found at 32.0569°S, 115.8605°E placing it 8,413 miles from the North Pole Auckland is found at 36.8485°S, 174.7633° E placing it 8,750 miles from the North Pole. Thus to travel from one port to another around the Southern Ocean as claimed, the yachts would have had to travel in a circle with a radius of approximately 8,600 miles. This means we can work out how far they would have had to travel! To find the circumference of a circle we use 2πr so... 2 x π (3.1415....) x 8,600 = 54,047 miles! But according to the Race Data these three legs are only a total of 16,744 miles! In fact the entire race is only 31,975 miles! So if the Earth was flat, these three legs would have been three times as long as claimed, and 166% longer than the entire race was claimed to be! But PW, I hear you saying... Surely it would be faster to travel in a straight line than a curve, and this would make the distance shorter. Well yes it would, and using the Cosine Rule (a2 = b2 + c2 - 2ab.cosA) we can work this out. Using the above city information we can work out that Punta del Este and Fremantle are 170.7886° apart. Fremantle and Auckland are 58.9028° apart, and Auckland and Punta del Este are 130.3086° apart. With their distances from the North Pole we can determine that in a straight line, the legs would have to be 17,001 miles, 8,443 miles, and 15,783 miles respectively, for a total of 41,227 miles! There is another slight problem with this straight line thing... to sail in a straight line from Punta del Este to Fremantle to Auckland, and back to Punta del Este on a flat earth would require the following path.... As one can see, this would be a little problematic. Finally, the Whitbread 60 class of yacht was at the time one of the fastest mono-hulled sailing vessels with speeds of around 10 knots at cruising. The record, set in the mid-nineties, was an average of just over 15.5 knots over a 24 hour period. Even at this speed the entire way, there is no way that any of the yachts could have completed the entire Flat Earth distance of 54,047 miles for just legs 2, 3, and 4 in the 120 days it took NZ Endeavour to complete the entire race, and of course that isn't counting that they still would have to complete the extra distance for legs, 1, 5 and 6 which we haven't calculated on top of that. The yachts are simply not fast enough to have completed the distances required by a flat Earth in the time that they did so. These races, which are still going on under the new Volvo brand prove categorically that the Earth is not flat, but rather is a globe, it's the only way that they can possibly sail between points in the Southern Hemisphere fast enough. |
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Great post, PhantomWolf.
Unfortunately, I assume the response would be some kind of claim that the race was faked. These beliefs can only be sustiained by people who never travel, and possibly who never go outside. |
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22nd July 2017, 04:53 AM | #113 |
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Faked or they ignore it completely. Of course from what I've seen on GLP and the Flat Earth Society forum it appears that well over 90% of flat earthers are trolls (including a significant amount of the moderators) with a majority of those left just unable to think critically.
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It's ironic - this thread is called "Experimental evidence for a flat earth". I count at least five definitive proofs which supply experimental evidence for a round (spheroid) earth. These can be independently verified with very little effort or with a small amount of honest inquiry, and can only be dismissed if you metaphorically stick your fingers in your ears and shout "LALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"
Even if some of the flat-earthers are "trolling", they are functionally no different from genuine idiots. Therefore I will simply avoid complication and assume they are all idiots, "trolls" or not. |
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I am sure that they will, though the funny thing is that 1989-90 was the first time that the yachts actually had camera's onboard and were able to broadcast to the world was was happening as it was happening. There were daily updates and footage of the race from the water even in the southern oceans. As they came near to land these broadcasts were often played live on TV as the boats raced neck and neck towards the finish line of each leg.
There is even a major documentary about the race if you have a couple of hours to spare.
Of course for the Flat Earthers it is just as easy to ignore it all. |
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I started the thread in response to thewholesoul's insistence that only experimental (i.e. not observational) evidence was acceptable to prove the earth was spheroid.
I wanted to see what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot- to see if he/she had any experimental evidence of their own that would satisfy this demand. Interestingly enough, thewholesoul never once posted in the thread, and neither did Daniel, who also popped up to defend the flat earth idea. What I can't decide, though, is whether this makes them bridge-dwellers, who were just winding us up and were never really serious, or whether they simply couldn't deal with the tables being turned on them in this way. They both seem to have run away, at least for the time being, so I guess there's no way to know. |
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Well, he/she/it has the experimental evidence that he/she/it demands, and the silence relating to the OP's question is deafening.
In my opinion, bridge dwellers or genuine morons is a distinction without a difference. There's no way to tell which is which, so I have stopped treating the two groups differently. After an initial attempt to educate, they are nothing but contemptuous. |
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To quote the much missed Dr. Adequate, "The stupid, it burns!".
The latest video from flat earth cult leader wannabe D.Marble addresses the upcoming North American solar eclipse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z5-9RAZbKE I'd comment to explain how massively he's gone wrong, but the coward has blocked me for pointing out other mathematical proofs that demonstrate the geometric impossibility of the flat earth cosmology. He's a moron (who lives in a van and craps in a bucket, literally) who, like the vast majority of conspiracy nuts, was drawn to this particular load of feces because it makes him feel like he's one of the smartest people around, instead of one of the dumbest. The really sad thing is to see how smug and arrogant he is about his so called proof. He's so far up his own backside that he'd vanish completely if he stood on his toes. |
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We have an RV that I occasionally spot in the area which is all decked out with Anti-Vaxxing art and slogans, it's quite a sight to behold. The Flat Earthers should get one too, and then drive it
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