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28th January 2018, 01:22 PM | #1 |
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Corbyn appears to be parodying himself:
"Labour will buy every homeless person in the UK a house if the party is elected, Jeremy Corbyn has announced.* He also highlighted plans to allow councils to take over properties that have been left "deliberately" empty in order to house people who are on waiting lists around the country.*" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...meless-person/ How corbyn can you go? |
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In typical "Telegraph" fashion, the sensationalist headline does not actually reflect what is really said in the article.
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The NAC figure for 2017 was over a billion pounds in government spending on homelessness.
8000 homes all at the average UK house price of just over £222k is about if me maths is right £1.8 billion. So over two years it will have saved around £200 million. But to be realistic there will of course still be admin costs and so on so lets say that £200 million is used for that so we only start making savings in the third year. That's a billion a year being saved at year 3. Of course the issues aren't as simple as this but lets be fair all we are doing is laughing at the spin in the opening post by being just as simplistic. |
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Really? You think people are going to give up, homes, jobs and families and in pursuit of social housing? All of course assuming that the authorities are stupid enough to accommodate people who make themselves purposefully homeless? Do you have any evidence the numbers have gone up where such schemes have been tried? Or any better plan for helping the homeless?
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Homelessness extends far further than "sleeping rough". If you're sofa surfing, or in a hostel or even temporary bed and breakfast, then a policy that says sleeping rough gets you to the front of the queue, and "the government will buy a house for you" will have unforeseen consequences. Current policies do work, many of the homeless have far more complex problems than simple lack of a home, and demand for good cheap housing is near infinite. I might not have anything better to suggest than the current approach, but I know a stupid soundbite from a politician when I hear it. |
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Corbyn is advocating providing housing for those in the most desperate need in addition to other policies to improve social housing. And I'd like to ask the question that I still haven't seen an answer to, is there any evidence from other places where similar policies have been tried that it produces an increase in rough sleepers?
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If they are being helped with tax payer money I want it to be done as efficiently as possible, in this case profit is just an additional cost for the tax payer so I'd like to see it taken out of the overall costs so either it leaves more money for other government spending or we get a tax decrease.
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As with most of Corbyn's announcements it's designed to appeal to teenage / 20-something idealists with little experience of the world who fizz with delight at the idea of voting compassionate, pro-active, stick-it-to-the-rich Labour at the next election.
Housing is a small aspect of any solution, and the easiest to solve. The major problem under the umbrella of 'housing' is not even the physical number of houses, rather the bias against rough sleepers when applying for social housing. More pertinently, unless the issues that caused these people to become homeless in the first place are addressed, along with the addiction dependencies on drugs and alcohol which a great many homeless people have, then sticking them in some flat somewhere won't achieve a thing. The studies amuse me as they assume that as soon as a homeless person enters a house their health issues, their criminal offending, their mental state, their addictions, all fix themselves and the burden on the taxpayer is thus alleviated. Corbyn really is a nasty little man. He knows all this full well, he's not stupid. He knows too that it would be impossible to change the law to allow enforced seizure of empty private properties. What he's doing is using the issue of homelessness to garner votes from his idealist base, all the while knowing that it will not help the homeless one iota. Of course, he could build on what the government is doing now to combat homelessness, and announce a stronger, feasible, wide-ranging social policy plus additional funding, but all that's a bit complicated for his voter base so a quick soundbite is preferable. "Take from the rich and give to the poor!" "Oooooh Jeremy Corrrrbyn!" Sad. |
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I'd just like to know where all of this lovely extra money is coming from?
Every department of government say that they could be 'so much better' with extra funding, something that I don't particularly agree with anyway. But it basically boils down to the country is skint, debt and PFI repayments are buggering up our ability to find extra money for anything. It is possible to provide housing for so many more, but will it be looked by all of these people, no, because there will be lifestyle and mental issues to deal with, which also costs money. Politicians of all brands are great at promising the earth when it only needs less that 140 characters or involve folks how haven't a damned clue how society works. Corbyn is particularly bad for this. Remember the claims about Student Loans, then 'Oops sorry, that's not what we meant'...? |
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What is the legal position with regard to empty private residential properties here? Can councils really seize them under current legislation or
would new laws have to be passed by Parliament? I know squatters have to be served notice to vacate a property. Because if the owner tries to remove them by force they would be breaking the law. Squatting is legal as long no forced entry was required to enter the property and is why notice to evict them has to be served which then gives them twenty eight days to vacate. And that is exactly the same for a legal tenant |
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I wonder how many of the young idealistic Corbynites know that he is actually a millionaire. I have only ever once seen or heard this
fact reported in the media. If they are against the rich then that should also include Jeremy. Or does it not matter because of who he is. I applaud their desire even if it is idealistic to effect change but inconvenient facts should not be ignored for reasons of practicality |
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IIRC There was a newspaper 'attack article' (Mail maybe?) just after he got the leadership that claimed he'd taken some huge amount of taxpayers money. Turned out they were adding up every penny he's ever earned as an MP in his his working life. I suspect sureptitious57 is misremembering that, which is of course the whole purpose of such articles...
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Being a millionaire has lost its meaning somewhat these days anyway.
According to Zoopla, the average price of a terraced house in London is around three quarters of a million. Add into that a pension pot and some modest savings and its not that hard to get a million. In fact, I'd be quite surprised is Corbs isn't a millionaire, given the likely size of his pension. http://www.the-net-worth.com/2016/05/jeremy-corbyn/ Gives his likey net worth as £800k but that obviously excludes his pension. The point is: So what? |
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As you have been asked - what do you mean by optics then? He is an elderly person who has been in employment all his working life and he owns a house and he has a final salary style pension.
The only way you can change the "optics" is if he gave up his salary and his pension and his house, which as I said means he would have to self-fund being a MP and leader of the opposition, and how would he do that? There is no "optics" to this issue, just vicious stupidity from the likes of the Daily Mail. There are plenty of things that Corbyn can be criticised about, this is not one of them. |
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Never heard it used in that context, so not so well used in the UK.
What you appear to be saying is that you can't have any credibility as a socialist if you have any money. Sorry, but I reject that. If Corbyn was behaving in a hypocritical manner - protecting his own assets while advocating taxing others, then I would agree. But he's quite consistent in his view points. On the other hand, Dianne Abbot sending her children to private school while berating others for doing so is not OK. As Malcolm Tucker would have said to her "They go to the comp" |
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Nope - in my lifetime experience of UK politics they are certainly centrist, in the UK like unfortunately a few other countries recently all our political parties skewed to the right a tad since the days of Thatcher but overall Labour has moved back to being a centralist party.
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