Hunter Biden Interview on Jimmy Kimmel - Page 7

Warp12 · 27th November 2022, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Please be specific.

I already was, as related to this investigation and perhaps others. Fantastic opportunities for smear campaigns, I'd say.

Originally Posted by Warp12

The more I think about this, the more of an opportunity this seems. I mean, they don't even need to find any real evidence of corruption. They just need to time the "investigation" properly, and market it well. I know a lot of Dems think midterms went great, but losing the House may end up being more costly than they think.

johnny karate · 27th November 2022, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I already was, as related to this investigation and perhaps others. Fantastic opportunities for smear campaigns, I'd say.

And your belief that a) the investigations and potential smear campaigns will be successful and b) anyone cares about any of this is based on what exactly?

Also, I asked for specificity not vague generalizations, but whatever.

Warp12 · 27th November 2022, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

And your belief that a) the investigations and potential smear campaigns will be successful and b) anyone cares about any of this is based on what exactly?

This has already been discussed earlier in the thread, I believe. I can think of at least one recent election where smear efforts and investigations clearly influenced the outcome. So, I don't think anyone should underestimate the potential in this case.

johnny karate · 27th November 2022, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

This has already been discussed earlier in the thread, I believe. I can think of at least one recent election where smear efforts and investigations clearly influenced the outcome. So, I don't think anyone should underestimate the potential in this case.

Assuming you’re talking about the 2016 election, there were multiple variables involved that make drawing a straight line from investigations and smear campaigns to an election win for Republicans a rather simplistic read. And even if you want to assume that, the fact that getting Trump elected in 2016 cost Republicans three subsequent elections, I’d hardly call that a net win for them.

So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public?

Warp12 · 27th November 2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public?

I think it makes sense, based on the timing. Although I personally wouldn't suggest MTG to lead such an investigation. I've already discussed the reasons why, earlier in the thread.

johnny karate · 27th November 2022, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I think it makes sense, based on the timing. Although I personally wouldn't suggest MTG to lead such an investigation. I've already discussed the reasons why, earlier in the thread.

I hate to break it to you, but it’s the cranks pushing this crap, so it’s the cranks who will be at the driver’s wheel.

Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?

eerok · 27th November 2022, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public?

In the GOP zero-sum game, they can only win by attacking their opponent. If they stooped to making policies of benefit to Americans, they might as well be Democrats.

Warp12 · 27th November 2022, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?

Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this?

Tero · 27th November 2022, 01:00 PM

I think he implied some deep secrets are to be found in the laptop. But if there were some such secrets, they would have been found by now. Washington post, Fox, CBS and maybe some others have copies of the hard drive. But it is largely faked. So the FBI, if interrogated by the house, is not going to support any conclusions.

Hunter getting paid by Burisma is maybe a bit of unfair practice, but it is then Hunter and Burisma that are at fault. No recommendation by Joe or arm twisting of Ukraine was needed to get Hunter to Burisma. Take Burisma to court all you like, Republicans!

Tero · 27th November 2022, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this?

Like Benghazi? Like Whitewater? Those worked real well.

Warp12 · 27th November 2022, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

Like Benghazi?

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. That stain is still on her to this day. It is a good example of how you don't need a successful investigation to pull off a lasting smear. If you repeat even a lie enough times, people will start to believe it.

A lot of people won't follow the Hunter investigation. All they need to do is know that there is one. They will automatically assume legitimacy. Now, you may say those people are stupid, but I would suggest that most voters are fairly casual. I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them.

That's why I say the GOP needs to time and market this right.

sackett · 27th November 2022, 02:54 PM

There you have it, folks. Warped republican't thinking regards sleaze as right and good. Honorable too? Well, if it succeeds it must be.

And it's even indelible, at least in their minds.

arayder · 27th November 2022, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by sackett

There you have it, folks. Warped republican't thinking regards sleaze as right and good. Honorable too? Well, if it succeeds it must be.

And it's even indelible, at least in their minds.

Someone on another thread said:

Originally Posted by bruto

No surprise there, of course, but it certainly is an odd world, in which a person who, according to some threads, at least understands some motives for abortion, approves of sex education and birth control, and appreciates the value of a gay relative, is happy to support a party many of whose vociferous spokesmen absolutely oppose abortion, oppose sex education and birth control, and support the repression of homosexuality, the abolition of gay rights, and in some cases criminalization. . .

bruto · 27th November 2022, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

I hate to break it to you, but it’s the cranks pushing this crap, so it’s the cranks who will be at the driver’s wheel.

Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?

Will it matter? We are talking, after all, of fools, hypocritical moralistic scolds and wannabe tyrants whose regard for such democratic frippery as "the public in general" is minimal if not downright negative. The driver cares little what goes on in the back of the bus.

arayder · 27th November 2022, 03:41 PM

Of you read a little history you can see countless examples of political parties genning up fake controversy with their only consideration being whether the public, or part of it, will believe the ruse.

But the Republican's problem is, as we saw in the results of the last election, lots of people are being to get the idea that this sort of thing is the only thing they do.

Stacyhs · 27th November 2022, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. That stain is still on her to this day. It is a good example of how you don't need a successful investigation to pull off a lasting smear. If you repeat even a lie enough times, people will start to believe it.

It's a good example of unethical and disgusting tactics...one used generously by the Republican Party. The party that (falsely) prides itself on family and Christian values.

Originally Posted by Warp12

A lot of people won't follow the Hunter investigation. All they need to do is know that there is one. They will automatically assume legitimacy. Now, you may say those people are stupid, but I would suggest that most voters are fairly casual. I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them.

"I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them."

Which is why we "say those people are stupid".

Originally Posted by Warp12

That's why I say the GOP needs to time and market this right.

Wow. Not even a minimum attempt to hide it anymore.

johnny karate · 29th November 2022, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this?

Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans?

Beelzebuddy · 29th November 2022, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans?

You keep asking these questions. What answer are you looking for?

johnny karate · 29th November 2022, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

You keep asking these questions. What answer are you looking for?

Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I was hoping for an honest one.

Beelzebuddy · 29th November 2022, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I was hoping for an honest one.

You already know the honest answer.

mgidm86 · 29th November 2022, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

You already know the honest answer.

Round and round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows.

Warp12 · 29th November 2022, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans?

That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.

Stacyhs · 29th November 2022, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.

Just ask Hitler!

johnny karate · 29th November 2022, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.

Like what? Please be specific.

bruto · 29th November 2022, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Just ask Hitler!

Aye, there's the rub, though. It kind of depends on whether you measure it in 1940 or in 1945.

When your head lands in the basket it's not your political rewards that will be remembered.

Tero · 30th November 2022, 05:26 AM

Since the florida guy gave the laptop to the FBI, I will not believe a word of the committee, unless they produce an actual laptop.

autumn1971 · 30th November 2022, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

After years of investigation and millions spent, I'm confident the GOP will be able to show that Hunter Biden may in fact have owned a laptop.

I think this wildly overestimates the IQ of these fascist trash

Upchurch · 2nd December 2022, 01:47 PM

Ugh, I hate that I'm the one posting this

Originally Posted by Elon Musk

What really happened with the Hunter Biden story suppression by Twitter will be published on Twitter at 5pm ET!

2:39 PM · Dec 2, 2022

source

kookbreaker · 2nd December 2022, 03:05 PM

“Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat!”

Upchurch · 2nd December 2022, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

Ugh, I hate that I'm the one posting this

source

Now I'm feeling pretty naive for thinking he'd have his **** together enough to actually release something.

lobosrul5 · 2nd December 2022, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

Now I'm feeling pretty naive for thinking he'd have his **** together enough to actually release something.

Mike! · 2nd December 2022, 04:35 PM

Maybe the nothing being released is some subtle way of saying there was no suppression by Twitter in the first place.

Upchurch · 2nd December 2022, 05:22 PM

I guess this is supposed to be it?

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

It appears to be, now brace yourselves, a hot mess.

Foster Zygote · 2nd December 2022, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.

For example, it can lead the credulous to believe and repeat false claims that they will double down on if anyone asks them to back said claims up with evidence.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd December 2022, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I guess this is supposed to be it?

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

It appears to be, now brace yourselves, a hot mess.

Well that was a wasted excursion down a bizarre rabbit hole.I read for ~15 minutes before realizing there was no there there.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd December 2022, 07:53 PM

And Fox is running with Musk releasing something from the laptop. They are monitoring EM's Twitter feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBmab52TzI

Oh my word: The deep state, the left totally controlled Twitter, the left suppressed the laptop story, Mueller exonerated Trump—found no collusion, ... it's Benghazi all over again.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd December 2022, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

I...
Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?

I would wager it's the MAGA base that is the target audience.

The mistake these (recovered?) Trump cultists are making is playing the same game in the belief it will have the same outcome as 2016, or 2020 if they believe in the stolen election fantasy.

Clearly the GOP or should I call them the alt-GOP are going to run the Hunter Biden lie into the ground. We know because they've already started.

Upchurch · 3rd December 2022, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Well that was a wasted excursion down a bizarre rabbit hole.I read for ~15 minutes before realizing there was no there there.

It’s stated purpose was transparency, but it’s 95% narrative with a couple of no-context screenshots. That’s not transparency. There are no original documents or first hand testimony. This is Musk and Co.’s perspective.

angrysoba · 3rd December 2022, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Well that was a wasted excursion down a bizarre rabbit hole.I read for ~15 minutes before realizing there was no there there.

The funny bit is that even Taibbi seems to get bored while trying to build anticipation...

...he can't even bring himself to post Tweets 13, 14 and 15...LOL!

angrysoba · 3rd December 2022, 07:05 AM

As is being pointed out by a number of journalists, the tweets that people in the Biden team asked to be taken down were those of Hunter Biden making home-made porn, according to those who found the archived copies. Maybe this is not something that the Biden team should do, but I certainly would want Twitter to proactively take down tweets that a third party posted of someone's home-made porn.

Besides, the fact that there are a lot of tweets of people scratching their heads and wondering what to do with this seems to actually counter the narrative that they were trying desperately to get the Democrats to win.

(This reminds me of the climate-gate and lab-leak email exchanges where the emails look incriminating if you already have a conclusion that you wantt to be true and assume a lot is not being said in them but somehow happening off-stage.)

Of course, this kind of problem is over now, isn't it, because there are no moderators. Elon Musk just bans or reinstates people largely according to how he feels about them. I'm fine with him doing that, but it takes a lot of chutzpah or gullibility to claim that Musk has brought transparency and light and moderation and principles to Twitter.

27th November 2022, 09:03 AM	#241
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by johnny karate Please be specific. I already was, as related to this investigation and perhaps others. Fantastic opportunities for smear campaigns, I'd say. Originally Posted by Warp12 The more I think about this, the more of an opportunity this seems. I mean, they don't even need to find any real evidence of corruption. They just need to time the "investigation" properly, and market it well. I know a lot of Dems think midterms went great, but losing the House may end up being more costly than they think.
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27th November 2022, 09:28 AM	#243
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by johnny karate And your belief that a) the investigations and potential smear campaigns will be successful and b) anyone cares about any of this is based on what exactly? This has already been discussed earlier in the thread, I believe. I can think of at least one recent election where smear efforts and investigations clearly influenced the outcome. So, I don't think anyone should underestimate the potential in this case.
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27th November 2022, 10:01 AM	#247
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 5,369	Originally Posted by johnny karate So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public? In the GOP zero-sum game, they can only win by attacking their opponent. If they stooped to making policies of benefit to Americans, they might as well be Democrats.
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27th November 2022, 01:00 PM	#249
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,936	I think he implied some deep secrets are to be found in the laptop. But if there were some such secrets, they would have been found by now. Washington post, Fox, CBS and maybe some others have copies of the hard drive. But it is largely faked. So the FBI, if interrogated by the house, is not going to support any conclusions. Hunter getting paid by Burisma is maybe a bit of unfair practice, but it is then Hunter and Burisma that are at fault. No recommendation by Joe or arm twisting of Ukraine was needed to get Hunter to Burisma. Take Burisma to court all you like, Republicans!
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27th November 2022, 01:02 PM	#250
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,936	Originally Posted by Warp12 Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this? Like Benghazi? Like Whitewater? Those worked real well.
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27th November 2022, 09:24 AM	#242
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,925	Originally Posted by Warp12 I already was, as related to this investigation and perhaps others. Fantastic opportunities for smear campaigns, I'd say. And your belief that a) the investigations and potential smear campaigns will be successful and b) anyone cares about any of this is based on what exactly? Also, I asked for specificity not vague generalizations, but whatever.

27th November 2022, 09:49 AM	#244
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,925	Originally Posted by Warp12 This has already been discussed earlier in the thread, I believe. I can think of at least one recent election where smear efforts and investigations clearly influenced the outcome. So, I don't think anyone should underestimate the potential in this case. Assuming you’re talking about the 2016 election, there were multiple variables involved that make drawing a straight line from investigations and smear campaigns to an election win for Republicans a rather simplistic read. And even if you want to assume that, the fact that getting Trump elected in 2016 cost Republicans three subsequent elections, I’d hardly call that a net win for them. So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public?

27th November 2022, 09:57 AM	#245
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by johnny karate So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public? I think it makes sense, based on the timing. Although I personally wouldn't suggest MTG to lead such an investigation. I've already discussed the reasons why, earlier in the thread.

27th November 2022, 10:00 AM	#246
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,925	Originally Posted by Warp12 I think it makes sense, based on the timing. Although I personally wouldn't suggest MTG to lead such an investigation. I've already discussed the reasons why, earlier in the thread. I hate to break it to you, but it’s the cranks pushing this crap, so it’s the cranks who will be at the driver’s wheel. Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?

27th November 2022, 10:01 AM	#248
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by johnny karate Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why? Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this?

27th November 2022, 01:14 PM	#251
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Tero Like Benghazi? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. That stain is still on her to this day. It is a good example of how you don't need a successful investigation to pull off a lasting smear. If you repeat even a lie enough times, people will start to believe it. A lot of people won't follow the Hunter investigation. All they need to do is know that there is one. They will automatically assume legitimacy. Now, you may say those people are stupid, but I would suggest that most voters are fairly casual. I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them. That's why I say the GOP needs to time and market this right.
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27th November 2022, 02:54 PM	#252
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,178	There you have it, folks. Warped republican't thinking regards sleaze as right and good. Honorable too? Well, if it succeeds it must be. And it's even indelible, at least in their minds.
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27th November 2022, 03:17 PM	#253
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,345	Originally Posted by sackett There you have it, folks. Warped republican't thinking regards sleaze as right and good. Honorable too? Well, if it succeeds it must be. And it's even indelible, at least in their minds. Someone on another thread said: Originally Posted by bruto No surprise there, of course, but it certainly is an odd world, in which a person who, according to some threads, at least understands some motives for abortion, approves of sex education and birth control, and appreciates the value of a gay relative, is happy to support a party many of whose vociferous spokesmen absolutely oppose abortion, oppose sex education and birth control, and support the repression of homosexuality, the abolition of gay rights, and in some cases criminalization. . .
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27th November 2022, 03:27 PM	#254
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 33,782	Originally Posted by johnny karate I hate to break it to you, but it’s the cranks pushing this crap, so it’s the cranks who will be at the driver’s wheel. Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why? Will it matter? We are talking, after all, of fools, hypocritical moralistic scolds and wannabe tyrants whose regard for such democratic frippery as "the public in general" is minimal if not downright negative. The driver cares little what goes on in the back of the bus.
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27th November 2022, 03:41 PM	#255
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,345	Of you read a little history you can see countless examples of political parties genning up fake controversy with their only consideration being whether the public, or part of it, will believe the ruse. But the Republican's problem is, as we saw in the results of the last election, lots of people are being to get the idea that this sort of thing is the only thing they do.
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27th November 2022, 06:42 PM	#256
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,680	Originally Posted by Warp12 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. That stain is still on her to this day. It is a good example of how you don't need a successful investigation to pull off a lasting smear. If you repeat even a lie enough times, people will start to believe it. It's a good example of unethical and disgusting tactics...one used generously by the Republican Party. The party that (falsely) prides itself on family and Christian values. Originally Posted by Warp12 A lot of people won't follow the Hunter investigation. All they need to do is know that there is one. They will automatically assume legitimacy. Now, you may say those people are stupid, but I would suggest that most voters are fairly casual. I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them. "I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them." Which is why we "say those people are stupid". Originally Posted by Warp12 That's why I say the GOP needs to time and market this right. Wow. Not even a minimum attempt to hide it anymore.

29th November 2022, 08:51 AM	#257
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,925	Originally Posted by Warp12 Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this? Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans?

29th November 2022, 10:30 AM	#258
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,288	Originally Posted by johnny karate Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans? You keep asking these questions. What answer are you looking for?
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29th November 2022, 10:31 AM	#259
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,925	Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy You keep asking these questions. What answer are you looking for? Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I was hoping for an honest one.

29th November 2022, 11:05 AM	#260
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,288	Originally Posted by johnny karate Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I was hoping for an honest one. You already know the honest answer.
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29th November 2022, 03:11 PM	#261
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,519	Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy You already know the honest answer. Round and round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows.
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29th November 2022, 06:02 PM	#262
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by johnny karate Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans? That is irrelevant. What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.

29th November 2022, 07:21 PM	#263
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,680	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is irrelevant. What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards. Just ask Hitler!

29th November 2022, 08:08 PM	#264
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,925	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is irrelevant. What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards. Like what? Please be specific.

29th November 2022, 08:32 PM	#265
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 33,782	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Just ask Hitler! Aye, there's the rub, though. It kind of depends on whether you measure it in 1940 or in 1945. When your head lands in the basket it's not your political rewards that will be remembered.
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30th November 2022, 05:26 AM	#266
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,936	Since the florida guy gave the laptop to the FBI, I will not believe a word of the committee, unless they produce an actual laptop.
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30th November 2022, 11:33 AM	#267
autumn1971 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,014	Originally Posted by eerok After years of investigation and millions spent, I'm confident the GOP will be able to show that Hunter Biden may in fact have owned a laptop. I think this wildly overestimates the IQ of these fascist trash
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2nd December 2022, 01:47 PM	#268
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,439	Ugh, I hate that I'm the one posting this Originally Posted by Elon Musk What really happened with the Hunter Biden story suppression by Twitter will be published on Twitter at 5pm ET! 2:39 PM · Dec 2, 2022 source
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2nd December 2022, 03:05 PM	#269
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,332	“Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat!”
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2nd December 2022, 04:10 PM	#270
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,439	Originally Posted by Upchurch Ugh, I hate that I'm the one posting this source Now I'm feeling pretty naive for thinking he'd have his **** together enough to actually release something.
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2nd December 2022, 04:23 PM	#271
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by Upchurch Now I'm feeling pretty naive for thinking he'd have his **** together enough to actually release something.
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2nd December 2022, 04:35 PM	#272
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 48,814	Maybe the nothing being released is some subtle way of saying there was no suppression by Twitter in the first place.
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2nd December 2022, 05:22 PM	#273
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,439	I guess this is supposed to be it? https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394 It appears to be, now brace yourselves, a hot mess.
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2nd December 2022, 06:07 PM	#274
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,369	Originally Posted by Warp12 That is irrelevant. What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards. For example, it can lead the credulous to believe and repeat false claims that they will double down on if anyone asks them to back said claims up with evidence.
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2nd December 2022, 07:36 PM	#275
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,022	Originally Posted by Upchurch I guess this is supposed to be it? https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394 It appears to be, now brace yourselves, a hot mess. Well that was a wasted excursion down a bizarre rabbit hole.I read for ~15 minutes before realizing there was no there there.