The innocence of Michael Stone

catsmate · 29th November 2022, 08:21 AM

No not that Michael Stone convicted of murder the other Michael Stone convicted of murder, for the killing of Lin and Megan Russell (and also of the attempted murder of Josie Russell).

The case was one of the notorious trifecta of UKian murder cases of the 1990s, along with Colin Stagg and Barry George, both later cleared despite police obstructionism.

Th case against Stone, a fairly terrible human being, was weak to the point of non-existence; a dubious witness, a bootlace never connected to him and a trio of prisoners who alleged they heard Stone confess (one admitted lying , one was paid and the third even the prosecution admitted was unreliable).

Stone continued to maintain his innocence and has refused to apply for parole.
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Elaedith · 30th November 2022, 04:07 PM

There's a couple of older threads on this case.

Matthew Best · 1st December 2022, 02:02 PM

This conviction always seemed a bit dubious to me, even when it happened.

Rolfe · 1st December 2022, 05:20 PM

I'm sure we've had at least one thread on this, I'll see if I can hunt it up.

Rolfe · 1st December 2022, 05:22 PM

Here we are. I think this is probably the only one, or at least the most recent one. Before that, I think the case was mentioned as a comparison when discussing other cases rather than having a thread on its own.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=325221

Further discussion should probably be taken there.

catsmate · 2nd December 2022, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Here we are. I think this is probably the only one, or at least the most recent one. Before that, I think the case was mentioned as a comparison when discussing other cases rather than having a thread on its own.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=325221

Further discussion should probably be taken there.

Bugger. Thanks for that.
I *did* look

Rolfe · 2nd December 2022, 03:13 PM

I just bumped it, it's on the front page now.

29th November 2022, 08:21 AM	#1
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,894	The innocence of Michael Stone No not that Michael Stone convicted of murder the other Michael Stone convicted of murder, for the killing of Lin and Megan Russell (and also of the attempted murder of Josie Russell). The case was one of the notorious trifecta of UKian murder cases of the 1990s, along with Colin Stagg and Barry George, both later cleared despite police obstructionism. Th case against Stone, a fairly terrible human being, was weak to the point of non-existence; a dubious witness, a bootlace never connected to him and a trio of prisoners who alleged they heard Stone confess (one admitted lying , one was paid and the third even the prosecution admitted was unreliable). Stone continued to maintain his innocence and has refused to apply for parole. More.
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30th November 2022, 04:07 PM	#2
Elaedith Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,204	There's a couple of older threads on this case.
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1st December 2022, 05:20 PM	#4
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,261	I'm sure we've had at least one thread on this, I'll see if I can hunt it up.
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1st December 2022, 05:22 PM	#5
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,261	Here we are. I think this is probably the only one, or at least the most recent one. Before that, I think the case was mentioned as a comparison when discussing other cases rather than having a thread on its own. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=325221 Further discussion should probably be taken there.
	__________________ "The way we vote will depend, ultimately, on whether we are persuaded to hope or to fear." - Aonghas MacNeacail, June 2012.

2nd December 2022, 03:04 PM	#6
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,894	Originally Posted by Rolfe Here we are. I think this is probably the only one, or at least the most recent one. Before that, I think the case was mentioned as a comparison when discussing other cases rather than having a thread on its own. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=325221 Further discussion should probably be taken there. Bugger. Thanks for that. I did look
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

1st December 2022, 02:02 PM	#3
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 9,667	This conviction always seemed a bit dubious to me, even when it happened.

2nd December 2022, 03:13 PM	#7
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,261	I just bumped it, it's on the front page now.
	__________________ "The way we vote will depend, ultimately, on whether we are persuaded to hope or to fear." - Aonghas MacNeacail, June 2012.