The Trump Presidency: Part 29 - Page 68

Warp12 · 26th November 2022, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Trump now saying he did not really know who Fuentas is. If you believe that, I have ocean front property in Kansas that might intereste you...

I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant.

I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy.

varwoche · 26th November 2022, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to like things having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant.

I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy.

Ease up. We're on the verge of winter and straw is scarce.

Stacyhs · 26th November 2022, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to like things having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant.

I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy.

Not dumb; just an idiot. You'd like us to believe Trump isn't aware of one of his most public, most outspoken supporters?

For someone who isn't a Trump supporter, you have a record of constantly coming to his defense...like that post.

Norman Alexander · 26th November 2022, 08:50 PM

Trump IS that dumb. He has people to tell him who he is meeting, where to go, what to say, and DON'T GO OFF SCRIPT!!

So he would have been told it was Nick Fuentes. But he would probably be dumb enough not to realise/remember who Fuentes was and his influence. It would be like Trump saying "This guy Adolf Shickelgruber had a funny accent, but I liked his ideas about European governments and stuff. Silly mustache, though."

Armitage72 · 27th November 2022, 10:47 PM

There was a scene at the end of the abysmal Richard Pryor/Jackie Gleason alleged comedy "The Toy".
"Do you know who you're posing for a photo with Senator?"
"Why no ... I don't."
"You're standing next to the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan."

That guy had the sense to run for the hills, although in that case Gleason's character had set up the situation to blackmail him.

Crossbow · 28th November 2022, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant.

I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy.

Excuse me, but even with your keen eye for detail, you managed to overlook one important detail.

And that detail is: Trump is stupid POS, and this fact has been demonstrated time and time gain in the last several years.

To name just one example of many times that Trump has been a stupid POS would be during the January 6 insurrection. For over three hours while some of his supporters were attacking the Congress, Trump sat around watching things on his TV set while many of his closest staff members (including his one daughter that he wants to have sex with) were begging him to end the insurrection. And yet, Trump simply ignored them.

Therefore, if Trump is so incredibly stupid as to refuse to act to protect his own nation, that he was President of, then it should not be surprising to see Trump having a well know racist over to his house for dinner.

angrysoba · 28th November 2022, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Uh-oh...that's gonna piss of his white supremacist base!

No, it won't because they don't believe him either. They know he knows and that it is best for him to plead ignorance.

Gulliver Foyle · 28th November 2022, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Not dumb; just an idiot. You'd like us to believe Trump isn't aware of one of his most public, most outspoken supporters?

For someone who isn't a Trump supporter, you have a record of constantly coming to his defense...like that post.

Trump has plenty of closeted supporters, I have found. Loads in the privacy of the poll booth and among fellow travelers, but in public they vanish like new melted snow.

Donal · 28th November 2022, 07:13 AM

It is crazy how easily the masks come off. You just need one loud mouth voicing his support, and then they all think it is safe.

bruto · 28th November 2022, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant.

I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy.

My mother had a dog that was so smart she would hear the first chord of a television commercial that contained dogs or horses, and would come running out to the living room to bark at the animals on the screen. She never failed. Commercials with cats, cows, goats, rabbits - not so much as the blink of an eye. If there were a "name that tune" for dogs, she'd have been the world champion. An idiot savant with a keen and discerning brain dedicated to slobbering on a picture tube.

Whether you call it intelligence or just cleverness depends on context and how locally you see it. The smartest dog in the world is still a dog.

varwoche · 28th November 2022, 09:06 AM

As if simply knowing who you're dining with requires a high level of intellect.

Gulliver Foyle · 28th November 2022, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

We were expecting this to happen. Always nice seeing Trump have to deal with yet another legal problem...

From: The Guardian
A writer who accused former President Donald Trump of rape filed an upgraded lawsuit... in New York, minutes after a new state law took effect allowing victims of sexual violence to sue over attacks that occurred decades ago. E Jean Carroll’s lawyer filed the legal papers electronically as the Adult Survivor’s Act temporarily lifted the state’s usual deadlines for suing over sexual assault.

(She also has a lawsuit against Trump for defamation when Trump called her a liar... however, since he said that when he was president, he is claiming immunity since civil servants can't be sued for things they do as part of their job. The case is tied up in appeals while they try to decide if Trump calling someone a liar is part of the job description as "president')

No way should Trump's appeal to the original case be contemplated because it was him acting in a personal capacity for an alleged action prior to him being installed as president.

Segnosaur · 28th November 2022, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Quote:

Trump now saying he did not really know who Fuentas is. If you believe that, I have ocean front property in Kansas that might intereste you...

I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant.

Not really.

What he "knows" seems to be rather haphazard. Remember, he was the man who claimed he didn't know who David Duke was, AFTER he had publicly disavowed Duke.

Quote:

I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy.

You know, that doesn't really help him much.

Even if you assume Trump didn't know who Fuentes was, and even if Trump's security detail and advisors didn't warn him "this guy's a neo-nazi".... Even if Fuentes wasn't even there and it was just Trump and Kanye...

Kanye has his own issues with Anti-semitism. (He had his own controversy after saying he was going "death Con 3" on jewish people.) When Kanye requested the meeting, Trump should have said "no, your own remarks about Jewish people are toxic and I don't want to be near you in case people start to associate me with the same attitudes".

People are rightly focused on Fuentes, but a headline "Trump has dinner with singer known for anti-semitic remarks" would also be an accurate assessment (and also reflective of Trump's neo-nazi leanings).

Venom · 28th November 2022, 10:45 AM

I believe Trump was sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos.

MRC_Hans · 28th November 2022, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Venom

I believe Trump was sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos.

So the person who wants to (again) be president of the (currently) strongest nation in the world just lets people drag anybody into his home and have dinner with them? ... Sounds great!

Hans

Darat · 28th November 2022, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Venom

I believe Trump was pleasantly sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos.

FTFY

Segnosaur · 28th November 2022, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Venom

I believe Trump was sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos.

Even if Trump was surprised to meet Fuentes...

1) Being the "stable Genius" that he is, He should have at least known who he was, so when he showed up, he should have said "nope, won't be seen with him"

2) Even if Trump didn't know who he was, his advisors/security people should have told him "he's a neo-nazi" and Trump should have rejected seeing him as a result

3) Even if the presence and reputation of Fuentes didn't raise any red flags, Kayne West himself (who has recently been criticized for anti-Jewish statements himself) should not be anywhere near Trump

bruto · 28th November 2022, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

So the person who wants to (again) be president of the (currently) strongest nation in the world just lets people drag anybody into his home and have dinner with them? ... Sounds great!

Hans

Not just anyone, though. A friend of Ye and Milo is sure to be a friend of his.

mgidm86 · 28th November 2022, 04:36 PM

I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by.

I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie.

There's nothing to debate. We know exactly what's going on here. He's meeting with scummy people who fit right in with him....crazy dickheads. He's too stupid to realize anyone would notice or care about these people being in his presence.

Trebuchet · 28th November 2022, 04:55 PM

A few minutes ago somebody in the Fake News MSM was expressing astonishment that various Republicans weren't repudiating Trump for hosting a White Nationalist Anti-Semite. Except for Mike Pence. Those Republicans, except for Pence, are smarter than the MSM flack. They know they need the White Nationalist Anti-Semite vote to get the R nomination, but it's a drawback in general elections. So they keep mum.

newyorkguy · 28th November 2022, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by...

This reminds me of a famous barb directed at the former owner of the New York Yankees baseball team, the controversial George Steinbrenner.

Quote:

Chicago White Sox board chairman Jerry Reinsdorf at the 1983 Chicago All-Star Game party: "How do you know when George Steinbrenner is lying? When his lips are moving." Tampa Bay Times

How do you know when donald trump is lying? When his lips are moving.

Norman Alexander · 28th November 2022, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by.

I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie.

There's nothing to debate. We know exactly what's going on here. He's meeting with scummy people who fit right in with him....crazy dickheads. ~~He's too stupid to realize~~ He doesn't give a big rat's ass whether anyone would notice or care about these people being in his presence.

Since whenever.

Stacyhs · 28th November 2022, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

My mother had a dog that was so smart she would hear the first chord of a television commercial that contained dogs or horses, and would come running out to the living room to bark at the animals on the screen. She never failed. Commercials with cats, cows, goats, rabbits - not so much as the blink of an eye. If there were a "name that tune" for dogs, she'd have been the world champion. An idiot savant with a keen and discerning brain dedicated to slobbering on a picture tube.

Whether you call it intelligence or just cleverness depends on context and how locally you see it. The smartest dog in the world is still a dog.

Some dogs are smarter than some people.

Aridas · 28th November 2022, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by.

I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie.

It's an easy rule, but deeply problematic, especially given that Trump has often made mutually exclusive claims and has stated true things on numerous occasions. A mildly amusing true thing from not that long ago was Trump claiming that Democrats want to lock him up. Yeah, obviously, after all his crime, corruption, and real harm done. The easy way to fix the big problem is to treat what Trump says as BS. Alternately, treat it like Russian (or Republican) propaganda. In either case, truth isn't really a distinguishing feature, but truth can appear, albeit often combined with fallacy and spin in an effort to create an emotionally appealing argument (that it is often intellectually bankrupt has little bearing on emotional appeal).

The Great Zaganza · 28th November 2022, 10:12 PM

a cynical person might argue that a President should be aware who he is siting down to Dinner with.

Norman Alexander · 28th November 2022, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

a cynical person might argue that a President should be aware who he is siting down to Dinner with.

Then clearly Trump is not president.

Aridas · 28th November 2022, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

a cynical person might argue that a President should be aware who he is siting down to Dinner with.

I will note again that Ye apparently said that Trump was quite pleased with the meeting. I'd say that that should be far more of interest than this dancing around whether Trump knew or not.

The Great Zaganza · 28th November 2022, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

I will note again that Ye apparently said that Trump was quite pleased with the meeting. I'd say that that should be far more of interest than this dancing around whether Trump knew or not.

i was pointing out that the excuse "Trump didn't know" is a direct admission that Trump is not fit to be President.

Bob001 · 28th November 2022, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Even if Trump was surprised to meet Fuentes
....

Assume for the sake of argument that Trump really didn't expect to meet Fuentes. It's inconceivable that Fuentes didn't spend the dinner spouting his bilge about blacks, Jews, women, etc., etc. Maddow tonight ran a clip of a Fuentes speech where he basically wanted to create an American Catholic Taliban "in a good way," with Trump the President forever. But Trump didn't come out and say "That guy's crazy!" or "He started a rant and I told him I didn't want to hear it." He didn't have a word of criticism or rebuke for "Ye" or his buddy. I can only conclude Trump bought into every word.

Aridas · 28th November 2022, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

i was pointing out that the excuse "Trump didn't know" is a direct admission that Trump is not fit to be President.

Which is simply one more reason to add to the mountain. It's not even a new one, really. Trump invited Ted Nugent to the White House when he was actually President, for example. This whole thing is a pale shadow of the problems invoked with that, honestly.

Venom · 29th November 2022, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Assume for the sake of argument that Trump really didn't expect to meet Fuentes. It's inconceivable that Fuentes didn't spend the dinner spouting his bilge about blacks, Jews, women, etc., etc. Maddow tonight ran a clip of a Fuentes speech where he basically wanted to create an American Catholic Taliban "in a good way," with Trump the President forever. But Trump didn't come out and say "That guy's crazy!" or "He started a rant and I told him I didn't want to hear it." He didn't have a word of criticism or rebuke for "Ye" or his buddy. I can only conclude Trump bought into every word.

It is conceivable, even likely that the conversation between Fuentes and Trump went more or less like the source who heard the conversation reported.

Trump should be more heavyhanded, less subdued, less PC when he speaks. I am one of your biggest fans, you'd beat the competition for 2024, etc.

As over the top as Fuentes is for his white nationalist fanbase, he likely didn't hook up with Kanye by calling him a N-----. I bet he was more subdued when speaking to Trump for the first time as well.

Trebuchet · 29th November 2022, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Assume for the sake of argument that Trump really didn't expect to meet Fuentes. It's inconceivable that Fuentes didn't spend the dinner spouting his bilge about blacks, Jews, women, etc., etc. Maddow tonight ran a clip of a Fuentes speech where he basically wanted to create an American Catholic Taliban "in a good way," with Trump the President forever. But Trump didn't come out and say "That guy's crazy!" or "He started a rant and I told him I didn't want to hear it." He didn't have a word of criticism or rebuke for "Ye" or his buddy. I can only conclude Trump bought into every word.

Now, now, it's not as if Trump has ever actually listened to anything said to him by anyone!

Gulliver Foyle · 29th November 2022, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by.

I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie.

There's nothing to debate. We know exactly what's going on here. He's meeting with scummy people who fit right in with him....crazy dickheads. He's too stupid to realize anyone would notice or care about these people being in his presence.

That's why I am convinced that an honest cause of death for him will be "alcohol related liver failure". The man even acts like a drunk.

Regnad Kcin · 29th November 2022, 02:04 PM

Nobody knows who to have dinner with better than me. — Donald Somebody

Bob001 · 29th November 2022, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

That's why I am convinced that an honest cause of death for him will be "alcohol related liver failure". The man even acts like a drunk.

I'm in no way defending Trump when I observe that if he really was a drinker, people who have spent a lot of time around him -- like Michael Cohen -- would be able to say so. I think it's entirely believable that Trump abstains after seeing what booze did to his brother.

Stacyhs · 30th November 2022, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

I'm in no way defending Trump when I observe that if he really was a drinker, people who have spent a lot of time around him -- like Michael Cohen -- would be able to say so. I think it's entirely believable that Trump abstains after seeing what booze did to his brother.

Hell, if he were a drunk, it would at least explain some things. But, no...he's like that cold stone sober.

Delvo · 30th November 2022, 01:57 AM

...unless he has that medical condition in which a body makes its own alcohol...

dudalb · 30th November 2022, 03:40 PM

SO the only defense Trump has for the Fuentas meetings is that he is an idiot?
Nice.

bruto · 30th November 2022, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO the only defense Trump has for the Fuentas meetings is that he is an idiot?
Nice.

Nothing new there. It's a common excuse of right wingers when their guys are caught doing something really rotten or criminal: they're too dumb to know what they're doing.

Norman Alexander · 30th November 2022, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

I'm in no way defending Trump when I observe that if he really was a drinker, people who have spent a lot of time around him -- like Michael Cohen -- would be able to say so. I think it's entirely believable that Trump abstains after seeing what booze did to his brother.

Only from alcohol...

26th November 2022, 08:06 PM	#2681
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by dudalb Trump now saying he did not really know who Fuentas is. If you believe that, I have ocean front property in Kansas that might intereste you... I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant. I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy.
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26th November 2022, 08:09 PM	#2682
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 16,420	Originally Posted by Warp12 I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to like things having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant. I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy. Ease up. We're on the verge of winter and straw is scarce.
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26th November 2022, 08:50 PM	#2684
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,681	Trump IS that dumb. He has people to tell him who he is meeting, where to go, what to say, and DON'T GO OFF SCRIPT!! So he would have been told it was Nick Fuentes. But he would probably be dumb enough not to realise/remember who Fuentes was and his influence. It would be like Trump saying "This guy Adolf Shickelgruber had a funny accent, but I liked his ideas about European governments and stuff. Silly mustache, though."
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28th November 2022, 05:58 AM	#2686
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,414	Originally Posted by Warp12 I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant. I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy. Excuse me, but even with your keen eye for detail, you managed to overlook one important detail. And that detail is: Trump is stupid POS, and this fact has been demonstrated time and time gain in the last several years. To name just one example of many times that Trump has been a stupid POS would be during the January 6 insurrection. For over three hours while some of his supporters were attacking the Congress, Trump sat around watching things on his TV set while many of his closest staff members (including his one daughter that he wants to have sex with) were begging him to end the insurrection. And yet, Trump simply ignored them. Therefore, if Trump is so incredibly stupid as to refuse to act to protect his own nation, that he was President of, then it should not be surprising to see Trump having a well know racist over to his house for dinner.
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28th November 2022, 06:26 AM	#2687
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 33,744	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Uh-oh...that's gonna piss of his white supremacist base! No, it won't because they don't believe him either. They know he knows and that it is best for him to plead ignorance.
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26th November 2022, 08:12 PM	#2683
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,684	Originally Posted by Warp12 I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to like things having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant. I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy. Not dumb; just an idiot. You'd like us to believe Trump isn't aware of one of his most public, most outspoken supporters? For someone who isn't a Trump supporter, you have a record of constantly coming to his defense...like that post.

27th November 2022, 10:47 PM	#2685
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,566	There was a scene at the end of the abysmal Richard Pryor/Jackie Gleason alleged comedy "The Toy". "Do you know who you're posing for a photo with Senator?" "Why no ... I don't." "You're standing next to the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan." That guy had the sense to run for the hills, although in that case Gleason's character had set up the situation to blackmail him.

28th November 2022, 06:50 AM	#2688
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,021	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Not dumb; just an idiot. You'd like us to believe Trump isn't aware of one of his most public, most outspoken supporters? For someone who isn't a Trump supporter, you have a record of constantly coming to his defense...like that post. Trump has plenty of closeted supporters, I have found. Loads in the privacy of the poll booth and among fellow travelers, but in public they vanish like new melted snow.

28th November 2022, 07:13 AM	#2689
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,232	It is crazy how easily the masks come off. You just need one loud mouth voicing his support, and then they all think it is safe.
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28th November 2022, 08:59 AM	#2690
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 33,790	Originally Posted by Warp12 I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant. I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy. My mother had a dog that was so smart she would hear the first chord of a television commercial that contained dogs or horses, and would come running out to the living room to bark at the animals on the screen. She never failed. Commercials with cats, cows, goats, rabbits - not so much as the blink of an eye. If there were a "name that tune" for dogs, she'd have been the world champion. An idiot savant with a keen and discerning brain dedicated to slobbering on a picture tube. Whether you call it intelligence or just cleverness depends on context and how locally you see it. The smartest dog in the world is still a dog.
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28th November 2022, 09:06 AM	#2691
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 16,420	As if simply knowing who you're dining with requires a high level of intellect.
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28th November 2022, 09:12 AM	#2692
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,021	Originally Posted by Segnosaur We were expecting this to happen. Always nice seeing Trump have to deal with yet another legal problem... From: The Guardian A writer who accused former President Donald Trump of rape filed an upgraded lawsuit... in New York, minutes after a new state law took effect allowing victims of sexual violence to sue over attacks that occurred decades ago. E Jean Carroll’s lawyer filed the legal papers electronically as the Adult Survivor’s Act temporarily lifted the state’s usual deadlines for suing over sexual assault. (She also has a lawsuit against Trump for defamation when Trump called her a liar... however, since he said that when he was president, he is claiming immunity since civil servants can't be sued for things they do as part of their job. The case is tied up in appeals while they try to decide if Trump calling someone a liar is part of the job description as "president') No way should Trump's appeal to the original case be contemplated because it was him acting in a personal capacity for an alleged action prior to him being installed as president.

28th November 2022, 09:15 AM	#2693
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,527	Originally Posted by Warp12 Quote: Trump now saying he did not really know who Fuentas is. If you believe that, I have ocean front property in Kansas that might intereste you... I like how some arbitrarily apply intelligence to Trump. 99% of the time they rant about how dumb he is, but when it comes to things like having a dossier on everyone he comes in contact with, he is a savant. Not really. What he "knows" seems to be rather haphazard. Remember, he was the man who claimed he didn't know who David Duke was, AFTER he had publicly disavowed Duke. Quote: I'd think Trump was a lot more likely to know who Kanye was, than this guy. You know, that doesn't really help him much. Even if you assume Trump didn't know who Fuentes was, and even if Trump's security detail and advisors didn't warn him "this guy's a neo-nazi".... Even if Fuentes wasn't even there and it was just Trump and Kanye... Kanye has his own issues with Anti-semitism. (He had his own controversy after saying he was going "death Con 3" on jewish people.) When Kanye requested the meeting, Trump should have said "no, your own remarks about Jewish people are toxic and I don't want to be near you in case people start to associate me with the same attitudes". People are rightly focused on Fuentes, but a headline "Trump has dinner with singer known for anti-semitic remarks" would also be an accurate assessment (and also reflective of Trump's neo-nazi leanings).
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28th November 2022, 10:45 AM	#2694
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,080	I believe Trump was sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos.

28th November 2022, 10:56 AM	#2695
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 24,299	Originally Posted by Venom I believe Trump was sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos. So the person who wants to (again) be president of the (currently) strongest nation in the world just lets people drag anybody into his home and have dinner with them? ... Sounds great! Hans
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28th November 2022, 11:28 AM	#2696
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 106,908	Originally Posted by Venom I believe Trump was pleasantly sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos. FTFY
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28th November 2022, 11:30 AM	#2697
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,527	Originally Posted by Venom I believe Trump was sincerely surprised to meet Nick Fuentes that evening. It appears Fuentes connected with Ye through Milo Yiannopoulos. Even if Trump was surprised to meet Fuentes... 1) Being the "stable Genius" that he is, He should have at least known who he was, so when he showed up, he should have said "nope, won't be seen with him" 2) Even if Trump didn't know who he was, his advisors/security people should have told him "he's a neo-nazi" and Trump should have rejected seeing him as a result 3) Even if the presence and reputation of Fuentes didn't raise any red flags, Kayne West himself (who has recently been criticized for anti-Jewish statements himself) should not be anywhere near Trump
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28th November 2022, 11:55 AM	#2698
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 33,790	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans So the person who wants to (again) be president of the (currently) strongest nation in the world just lets people drag anybody into his home and have dinner with them? ... Sounds great! Hans Not just anyone, though. A friend of Ye and Milo is sure to be a friend of his.
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28th November 2022, 04:36 PM	#2699
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,524	I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by. I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie. There's nothing to debate. We know exactly what's going on here. He's meeting with scummy people who fit right in with him....crazy dickheads. He's too stupid to realize anyone would notice or care about these people being in his presence.
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28th November 2022, 04:55 PM	#2700
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,678	A few minutes ago somebody in the Fake News MSM was expressing astonishment that various Republicans weren't repudiating Trump for hosting a White Nationalist Anti-Semite. Except for Mike Pence. Those Republicans, except for Pence, are smarter than the MSM flack. They know they need the White Nationalist Anti-Semite vote to get the R nomination, but it's a drawback in general elections. So they keep mum.
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28th November 2022, 06:15 PM	#2701
newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 12,788	Originally Posted by mgidm86 I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by... This reminds me of a famous barb directed at the former owner of the New York Yankees baseball team, the controversial George Steinbrenner. Quote: Chicago White Sox board chairman Jerry Reinsdorf at the 1983 Chicago All-Star Game party: "How do you know when George Steinbrenner is lying? When his lips are moving." Tampa Bay Times How do you know when donald trump is lying? When his lips are moving.

28th November 2022, 07:27 PM	#2702
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,681	Originally Posted by mgidm86 I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by. I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie. There's nothing to debate. We know exactly what's going on here. He's meeting with scummy people who fit right in with him....crazy dickheads. ~~He's too stupid to realize~~ He doesn't give a big rat's ass whether anyone would notice or care about these people being in his presence. Since whenever.
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28th November 2022, 07:46 PM	#2703
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,684	Originally Posted by bruto My mother had a dog that was so smart she would hear the first chord of a television commercial that contained dogs or horses, and would come running out to the living room to bark at the animals on the screen. She never failed. Commercials with cats, cows, goats, rabbits - not so much as the blink of an eye. If there were a "name that tune" for dogs, she'd have been the world champion. An idiot savant with a keen and discerning brain dedicated to slobbering on a picture tube. Whether you call it intelligence or just cleverness depends on context and how locally you see it. The smartest dog in the world is still a dog. Some dogs are smarter than some people.

28th November 2022, 10:02 PM	#2704
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 9,641	Originally Posted by mgidm86 I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by. I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie. It's an easy rule, but deeply problematic, especially given that Trump has often made mutually exclusive claims and has stated true things on numerous occasions. A mildly amusing true thing from not that long ago was Trump claiming that Democrats want to lock him up. Yeah, obviously, after all his crime, corruption, and real harm done. The easy way to fix the big problem is to treat what Trump says as BS. Alternately, treat it like Russian (or Republican) propaganda. In either case, truth isn't really a distinguishing feature, but truth can appear, albeit often combined with fallacy and spin in an effort to create an emotionally appealing argument (that it is often intellectually bankrupt has little bearing on emotional appeal).
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28th November 2022, 10:12 PM	#2705
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,344	a cynical person might argue that a President should be aware who he is siting down to Dinner with.
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28th November 2022, 10:14 PM	#2706
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,681	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza a cynical person might argue that a President should be aware who he is siting down to Dinner with. Then clearly Trump is not president.
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28th November 2022, 10:28 PM	#2707
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 9,641	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza a cynical person might argue that a President should be aware who he is siting down to Dinner with. I will note again that Ye apparently said that Trump was quite pleased with the meeting. I'd say that that should be far more of interest than this dancing around whether Trump knew or not.
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28th November 2022, 10:36 PM	#2708
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,344	Originally Posted by Aridas I will note again that Ye apparently said that Trump was quite pleased with the meeting. I'd say that that should be far more of interest than this dancing around whether Trump knew or not. i was pointing out that the excuse "Trump didn't know" is a direct admission that Trump is not fit to be President.
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28th November 2022, 10:42 PM	#2709
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,344	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Even if Trump was surprised to meet Fuentes .... Assume for the sake of argument that Trump really didn't expect to meet Fuentes. It's inconceivable that Fuentes didn't spend the dinner spouting his bilge about blacks, Jews, women, etc., etc. Maddow tonight ran a clip of a Fuentes speech where he basically wanted to create an American Catholic Taliban "in a good way," with Trump the President forever. But Trump didn't come out and say "That guy's crazy!" or "He started a rant and I told him I didn't want to hear it." He didn't have a word of criticism or rebuke for "Ye" or his buddy. I can only conclude Trump bought into every word.

28th November 2022, 10:45 PM	#2710
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 9,641	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza i was pointing out that the excuse "Trump didn't know" is a direct admission that Trump is not fit to be President. Which is simply one more reason to add to the mountain. It's not even a new one, really. Trump invited Ted Nugent to the White House when he was actually President, for example. This whole thing is a pale shadow of the problems invoked with that, honestly.
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29th November 2022, 07:16 AM	#2711
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,080	Originally Posted by Bob001 Assume for the sake of argument that Trump really didn't expect to meet Fuentes. It's inconceivable that Fuentes didn't spend the dinner spouting his bilge about blacks, Jews, women, etc., etc. Maddow tonight ran a clip of a Fuentes speech where he basically wanted to create an American Catholic Taliban "in a good way," with Trump the President forever. But Trump didn't come out and say "That guy's crazy!" or "He started a rant and I told him I didn't want to hear it." He didn't have a word of criticism or rebuke for "Ye" or his buddy. I can only conclude Trump bought into every word. It is conceivable, even likely that the conversation between Fuentes and Trump went more or less like the source who heard the conversation reported. Trump should be more heavyhanded, less subdued, less PC when he speaks. I am one of your biggest fans, you'd beat the competition for 2024, etc. As over the top as Fuentes is for his white nationalist fanbase, he likely didn't hook up with Kanye by calling him a N-----. I bet he was more subdued when speaking to Trump for the first time as well.

29th November 2022, 10:27 AM	#2712
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,678	Originally Posted by Bob001 Assume for the sake of argument that Trump really didn't expect to meet Fuentes. It's inconceivable that Fuentes didn't spend the dinner spouting his bilge about blacks, Jews, women, etc., etc. Maddow tonight ran a clip of a Fuentes speech where he basically wanted to create an American Catholic Taliban "in a good way," with Trump the President forever. But Trump didn't come out and say "That guy's crazy!" or "He started a rant and I told him I didn't want to hear it." He didn't have a word of criticism or rebuke for "Ye" or his buddy. I can only conclude Trump bought into every word. Now, now, it's not as if Trump has ever actually listened to anything said to him by anyone!
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29th November 2022, 01:17 PM	#2713
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,021	Originally Posted by mgidm86 I believe the complete opposite of anything Trump claims. It's an easy rule to live by. I don't feel I'm exaggerating when I say Trump lies almost every time he speaks. If enough words come out there will certainly be a lie. There's nothing to debate. We know exactly what's going on here. He's meeting with scummy people who fit right in with him....crazy dickheads. He's too stupid to realize anyone would notice or care about these people being in his presence. That's why I am convinced that an honest cause of death for him will be "alcohol related liver failure". The man even acts like a drunk.

29th November 2022, 02:04 PM	#2714
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29th November 2022, 10:36 PM	#2715
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,344	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle That's why I am convinced that an honest cause of death for him will be "alcohol related liver failure". The man even acts like a drunk. I'm in no way defending Trump when I observe that if he really was a drinker, people who have spent a lot of time around him -- like Michael Cohen -- would be able to say so. I think it's entirely believable that Trump abstains after seeing what booze did to his brother.