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Better yet ... Ask Fonebone http://www.internationalskeptics.com...33#post5431133 --and-- http://www.internationalskeptics.com...15#post5507715 --and-- http://www.internationalskeptics.com...66#post6070666 --and-- http://www.internationalskeptics.com...77#post7443177 |
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I think the only thing smoking here is crack. There really aren't many things lower in the food chain than no-planers.
Here, have some aircraft flying at the speed of sound https://www.military.com/video/milit.../4202062176001 See them? Yes, if course you did. Even if this ludicrous bit of trolling had any credibility it only makes any sense if the flying object is going past you and close. Which, as the video in the page linked to above shows, still doesn't work. If you're watching an aircraft travelling away from you, or are at some distance, you have plenty of time to identify it as an aircraft. Besides, if you don't have eànough reaction time to identify the big flying object with wings as a plane, then you don't have time to identify it as anything else either. You therefore need to rely on other corroborating evidence, like missing planes, flight manifests, flight control data and recordings, plane shaped holes, big chunks of planes lying around, and a well known terrorist organisation saying "hey guys, we flew a bunch of planes into your buildings". |
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that is a lot of woo
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Deleted because it replied to a much older post thinking it was recent.
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Bringing together what they have said in their links, this is what fonebone seems to be suggesting:
Around 1994/1995 some powerful organisation has assembled a large team of highly skilled engineers to design modifications to missiles which would allow them, in some combination to produce damage to a skyscraper which is entirely consistent with the damage that would have been produced by the collision of a large airliner and entirely inconsistent with any kind of damage that would have been produced by any kind of missile attack. This must be done in a way that will look, to eyewitnesses and video footage just as though the buildings had been hit by a large commercial had hit the building. In some manufacturing facility a team of highly skilled workers make these modifications and the missiles are transported to various locations where they can be deployed. Presumably the building are set up with giant devices which will hurl aircraft parts onto the streets. On 9/11 four aircraft are diverted to some unspecified location and the passengers murdered and their DNA harvested. Then the missile operation occurs and everyone is fooled. A team go about planting DNA in the wreckage and on the roofs of surrounding buildings. Not one of this army of highly skilled psychopathic traitors has ever breathes a word about this in the 20 years since. |
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Mind you, Barbara Honneger thought that all you had to do was to paint "American Airlines" on the side of an ordinary small drone and people would be concerned that it was a large commercial airliner.
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Which would be an extremely complex task involving hundreds of people all of whom "they" would need to be 100% sure that none of them...
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Another team of highly skilled experts that would have to surreptitiously carry out all this work, in the buildings in the months beforehand without ever being detected..... another team of highly skilled experts that would have to be kept quiet or assassinated. All while disappearing those airliners from radar, and seamlessly replacing them with missiles that were previously undetected on radar, and landing those aircraft without anyone seeing them. Except no-planer morons of course ![]() Which would of course have to be done later, involving yet another highly secret team of specialized experts that would need to be kept silent or terminated. Of course, no-planer morons all miss the obvious flaw - it would be much easier to do all this with real airliners. A small team of experts infiltrate the maintenance facilities of the airlines involved beginning 1994/95, with a view to installing remote control hardware on four airliners, and then on 9/11, taking complete control of them and flying them into buildings. Solves the following problems... Radar DNA Aircraft parts in the streets Eye-witnesses News cameras The fuel-air fireball diverting the aircraft without detection as well as drastically reducing the risk of the secret being reveled by using a much, much smaller team. ... in a country that is so good at keeping secrets that the president was porking a White House usher and they were the only two who knew about it! . . |
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Quite a challenge too for the HR manager of this top secret powerful sinister organisation just assembling this team of hundreds of highly skilled, completely trustworthy psychopathic traitors.
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Milliseconds before each of the three building were struck by the flying objects,
witnesses reported a bright white flash followed instantly by a circular glowing orange shape hole in the vertical wall that allowed the nose of the flying object to effortlessly enter the building interior before exploding into white- tan dust cloud that morphed into the huge yellow, orange and red fireball that dissipated seconds later. Many of the videos of the WTC2 "plane" captured both the bright flash and the resulting orange hole at the point the flying object penetrated. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...24#post6225624 The Exocet missiles used in the Falkland war was equipped with the shape-charge nose to blast an entry hole in fortified walls. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...97#post6609197 |
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The flying object was a commercial airliner and the nose did not "effortlessly enter" anything, it was shredded, as you would expect.
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What has inspired your departure from reality.
Two url flashbacks to insane claims. Claims based on unbounded ignorance related to physics and what evidence is. Why do you post BS, lies and insane claims? oh, I know this one, because you can. What was your major in college? "Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured", but unlike the sun, for you, forever, and ever... amen "Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light" - you missed the truth, as you remain in the dark willfully spreading lies about the murder of thousands - ubl must of been laughing at the lies 9/11 truth and you spread "All great truths begin as blasphemies", ironic quote in light of your insane claims your can recycle your evidence for you claims with big foot, flat earth and other failed conspiracy theories... I look forward to your next "typing practice" clickbait post reply, keeps the fingers agile... |
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No.
No witnesses have ever reported this. Ever. This is a lie.
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Not one of the videos of the 767s crashing into the towers show this, no matter which angle. This is another lie.
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You have yet to address how these missiles were launched. These weapons are loud, and produce a lot of smoke at the ignition point. Why has not one single person reported a missile launch, let alone four? Why did nobody see a missile anywhere between NYC and Shanksville? Or between NYC and DC? If the missiles were sea-launched, where is the radar data? What kind of ship? Can't be US Navy, we'd have known by 5PM on 9/11/2001. So where did they come from? Where are the missile fragments recovered from all of the crash sites? We've got the planes, why not the missiles? These should be easy questions to answer for someone who has basic knowledge of this type of weapons system. |
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In this post we see a cameo of the missile going into the glowing orange hole of the WTC2 South wall and a image of the same missile nose exiting the North-East corner bevel of the tower. Note the shape of the shadow the flying object cast on the sunlit north wall as the missle nose exits. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...77#post7443177 The glowing orange hole was created by the shape charge in the missile nose that pyrolyzes a molten hole in the steal creating an entrance hole for the missile |
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Incidentally, some information about shape charges:
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In that picture we can clearly see that the "missile nose" is blunt and at least 4 meters in diameter, which is considerably wider than the Space Shuttle's solid rocket boosters, the rockets that launched the Mercury and Gemini astronauts into orbit, the European Ariane 5 booster, or any known ICBM. It's about right for the third stage of a Saturn V though. Is that what it was, do you think? Was it surplus hardware from the 1970s? What launch pad was it launched from? |
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Your "glowing orange hole" is a glare-reflection of the morning sun off the nose radome of the airliner.
Note the shape of the shadow on the left side of your entry photo... its the shadow of the wings of an airliner. There is no explosive on earth that can be made small enough for a shape charge to fit in the warhead of a missile, and still create sufficient heat to "pyrolize" tonnes of steel in a fraction of a millisecond. If you have discovered a way to do this, you should contact the US military - they would pay you handsomely for it. In your photo, you see the vertical facades? They are 3½ ft apart - for your further education as to why you are wrong, I have superimposed a correctly scaled image of an AGM-158 cruise missile, (14 ft long). You . are. wrong! |
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Trying to understand your theory.
When was the AUP fired from the missile concealed in the underbelly of the 767 "skin"? Was the AUP fired while the missile was still inside the 767 "skin" or was the missile fired from the 767 "skin" and THEN the AUP was fired from the missile? Was the sequence of impacts you envision as follows or something different? 1. Missile fired from 767 "skin" 2. AUP fired from missile 3. AUP hits building façade and creates "molten hole" 4. Missile goes through "molten hole" created in the façade 5. 767 "skin" goes through molten hole |
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Now people. It may well be that fonebone “sees” exactly what fonebone describes. fonebone’s major error here is using the word we instead of I. What we see is the reality of an airplane flying into the tower. What fonebone’s brain translates from its visual cortex unfortunately seems to have no connection to reality whatsoever.
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I have several questions for you, again, what happened to the four airplanes that were hijacked? What happened to all the people on those aircrafts? How did they manage to plant evidence from the hijackers into the rubble pile? How did they get airplane parts all over the place? You have never answered just the same as rubygrey.
ETA: Another question you forgoot to link the images hat you posted in the linked threads, please post links. |
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Image of the alleged missile: ![]() Another image of the same missile AGM-86D ![]() One of the many munition payloads of this delivery systems is a FAE thermobaric Napalm and Napalm2 incendiary warhead. F.A.E. = Fuel Air Explosive. Napalm is a FAE is a Naphthalene & palm oil that creates a Fireball with a petroleum thick black mushroom smoke cloud. Naphalm2 is a chemical exothermic payload replacement for Napalm and produces a whitish tan-gray smoke mushroom cloud |
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The missile was cloaked inside of a miniature Boeing 767 disguise. The missile payload was dispersed as a pressurized cloud of whitish tan-gray dust that was ignited into the fireball after the time-delay set on the missile's barometric fuse. The carcass of the missile was whole as it exited the WTC2 North-East bevel until it was overcome by the fireball. The size of the missile circumference is hidden by the disguise of the quarter to half sized scale B767 costume concealing it. The height of every floor was exactly 12 feet. The disguised missile entered the neat round molten entry hole between the floors and between the horizontal spandrel plates. The spandrel plate steel belt is 4 feet high leaving a open 8 foot floor space for the missile, sans the B767 cloaking, to enter the tower interior and exit whole until incinerated by the thermobaric fireball. |
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Napalm is not an explosive. Napalm is an incendiary. Napalm doesn't do the things you claim your fantasy missile does. FAEs are not shape-charge warheads. FAEs are "area explosives", great sucking the air out of caves and underground bunkers. Had an FAE been used on 911, they would have heard it half way down New Jersey. Windows would have been blown out all the way down to Greenwich Village. That didn't happen. You've failed. |
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This is comedy gold.
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There is a long list of reasons as to why none of this is true. The most important ones would be getting engineers to sign off on a capital offense that would involved the secrecy of at least 2,000 people. This is the giant flaw in your whimsical fantasy. You can't hide a missile in a jet, you make a jet into a missile. That's just reality. A cruise missile costs around $2 million. To develop a one-off cruise missile - in secret - drives the cost toward $100 million. As my Congressman likes to say, $100 million is almost real money. You can't hide it for 21 years. And the missiles have to be tested. Meanwhile, for the cost of flying lessons, and 19 first class airline tickets, you can hijack four 767s, and fly them into your chosen targets with the same destructive outcome. And this can be done with less than 40 people knowing about it. And, if you'd bother to read the real history of the attacks on 9-11, you'd know that some of those 40 Al Qaeda guys didn't keep their mouths shut before the attack. You have to explain why a 767 couldn't do the things they did on 911. |
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To sum up. You have shown a picture of a commercial airliner colliding with WTC 2.
And you have shown a picture of a missile nowhere near WTC 2. Conclusion: It was a commercial airliner colliding with WTC 2. Thanks for your confirmation. Note also that the commercial airliner is not half size, nor is it three quarter size. It is full size. And shape charges to not melt their way through metal. |
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Looks to be normal size here. And if you look at the second, sped-up video, you can see how the impact made the entire building sway. That could ONLY be caused by the momentum of a fully-laden full-size 767. https://wtc.koldrix.com/index.php/en...e-wtc-2-impact |
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