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Old 14th July 2014, 02:21 AM   #681
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
One side of the capsule faced the sun, getting heated, the other side faced the 2degK of deep space and was cooled. The resultant temperature is the result of proper distribution of reflective surfaces.

This is not just an Apollo issue, this applies to ALL space-craft. Are you implying that ALL space activities, including communication and weather sattelites are hoaxes?

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All manned spacecraft seem suspicious to me. The International Space Station is definitely real, but I think it's unmanned.
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Old 14th July 2014, 02:31 AM   #682
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Ok, let's say that the heat insulation was enough for traveling to the moon and back, but what about the reentry into Earth's atmosphere? The claim that a heat shield could protect the astronauts seems dubious to me. The Apollo capsule would have burned up in its entirety! Like a meteorite.
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Old 14th July 2014, 02:37 AM   #683
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
For the astronauts to survive. I found this:

"The entire basic structure is enveloped by thermal insulation and a micrometeorite shield." -- pp. 2: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LM04_Lun...e_ppLV1-17.pdf

Ok, may have been enough, but the document also mentions active thermal control, pp. 7:

"Active thermal control is provided by the ECS."

The capsule is traveling in the vacuum of empty space. How is the extra heat removed? By expelling hot gas/liquid out into space?
True, astronaut farts kept the capsule cool.
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Old 14th July 2014, 02:42 AM   #684
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Originally Posted by tsig View Post
True, astronaut farts kept the capsule cool.
MRC_Hans' answer seems more plausible. That one side of the capsule was cool. Radiation of heat out while no radiation absorption since it was the shadow side.
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Old 14th July 2014, 02:46 AM   #685
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
The capsule is traveling in the vacuum of empty space. How is the extra heat removed? By expelling hot gas/liquid out into space?
By radiation. Space is very good at absorbing radiation.

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Old 14th July 2014, 02:47 AM   #686
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Ok, let's say that the heat insulation was enough for traveling to the moon and back, but what about the reentry into Earth's atmosphere? The claim that a heat shield could protect the astronauts seems dubious to me. The Apollo capsule would have burned up in its entirety! Like a meteorite.
No. Read up on this stuff if you really wanna know. Right now you are just brandishing your own ignorance.

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Old 14th July 2014, 02:48 AM   #687
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
All manned spacecraft seem suspicious to me. The International Space Station is definitely real, but I think it's unmanned.
Well, I think the rules here forbid me to say what that makes you.

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Passive Thermal Control, christened the BBQ roll.

Google it, education is a wonderful thing. All these "seems to me" comments from you indicate your world view is fairly simplistic and in need of enlightenment.
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Old 14th July 2014, 02:55 AM   #689
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
No. Read up on this stuff if you really wanna know. Right now you are just brandishing your own ignorance.

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I read that the Apollo capsule had a reentry speed of about 7 km/s. That sounds like a lot. And it had a path with a certain exact angle. Excuse me, that seems implausible. How could the capsule be kept from wobbling while holding a precise attack angle? I don't buy it. No tiny steering rockets would be be able to do much in the immense atmospheric onslaught. And since the capsule traveled at an angle, gravity would have pulled on it sideways. Again, wobble time.
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Old 14th July 2014, 03:23 AM   #690
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Originally Posted by Erock View Post
Passive Thermal Control, christened the BBQ roll.

Google it, education is a wonderful thing. All these "seems to me" comments from you indicate your world view is fairly simplistic and in need of enlightenment.
I think Google is slightly off on this point. The maneuver was called a Passive Thermal Roll, which was the mechanism for achieving passive thermal control.
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Old 14th July 2014, 03:26 AM   #691
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
All manned spacecraft seem suspicious to me. The International Space Station is definitely real, but I think it's unmanned.
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Old 14th July 2014, 03:30 AM   #692
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
I read that the Apollo capsule had a reentry speed of about 7 km/s. That sounds like a lot. And it had a path with a certain exact angle. Excuse me, that seems implausible. How could the capsule be kept from wobbling while holding a precise attack angle? I don't buy it. No tiny steering rockets would be be able to do much in the immense atmospheric onslaught. And since the capsule traveled at an angle, gravity would have pulled on it sideways. Again, wobble time.
No rockets needed at all. The CM was an aerodynamic lifting body by design.
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Old 14th July 2014, 03:40 AM   #693
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
No rockets needed at all. The CM was an aerodynamic lifting body by design.
Traveling through a cool breeze is different than being enveloped by a chaotic ball of plasma.
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Old 14th July 2014, 03:47 AM   #694
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Traveling through a cool breeze is different than being enveloped by a chaotic ball of plasma.
Google ablative heat shield.
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Old 14th July 2014, 04:14 AM   #695
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Ok, let's say that the heat insulation was enough for traveling to the moon and back, but what about the reentry into Earth's atmosphere? The claim that a heat shield could protect the astronauts seems dubious to me. The Apollo capsule would have burned up in its entirety! Like a meteorite.
It did burn up in the atomsphere like a meteorite. That's how it was designed.
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Old 14th July 2014, 05:30 AM   #696
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
All manned spacecraft seem suspicious to me. The International Space Station is definitely real, but I think it's unmanned.
I checked with the space alien controlled Vatican and they assured me that all manned spacecraft are actually manned by Good AIs and/or Evil AIs, therefore one does not have to be terribly concerned about enviromental controls on spacecraft.
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Old 14th July 2014, 05:37 AM   #697
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Google ablative heat shield.
"The ablative heat shield functions by lifting the hot shock layer gas away from the heat shield's outer wall (creating a cooler boundary layer)." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablativ...hield#Ablative

So now we have even more nonlinearity in addition to the chaotic plasma: an ablative shield that whips away gas in unpredictable directions.

And I think the claim of the heat shield being enough is fiction. The Space Shuttle reentry probably never happened, and instead it was launched from a Boeing 747 and glided to the landing place, with the audience believing the shuttle had come intact from space, lol.
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It did burn up in the atomsphere like a meteorite. That's how it was designed.
Without tumbling through the air? I doubt that. Had the concept been tested in practice before it was used?
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Old 14th July 2014, 05:45 AM   #699
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Without tumbling through the air? I doubt that. Had the concept been tested in practice before it was used?
Yes.

Your disbelief is both unsurprising and inadequate as a premise for proof.

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Without tumbling through the air? I doubt that. Had the concept been tested in practice before it was used?
Of course not, NASA never practiced anything in order to save money. They simply took their best guess and amazingly it usually worked out. But then again they did have a head start with all the info from the Roswell spacecraft.
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And I think the claim of the heat shield being enough is fiction. The Space Shuttle reentry probably never happened, and instead it was launched from a Boeing 747 and glided to the landing place, with the audience believing the shuttle had come intact from space, lol.
How then did they fix the Hubble Space Telescope and perform other servicing missions? Robots?
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How then did they fix the Hubble Space Telescope and perform other servicing missions? Robots?
Robots? That's ridiculous. They had about 5 or 6 Hubbles originally built. You think they spent $2.5 billion on just one telescope? It's just a tube and some glass. When problems arose they simply secretly launched a new one into space to replace the defective one. The supposed "repair" videos are all shot at the IMAX studio in Toronto.
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I think Google is slightly off on this point. The maneuver was called a Passive Thermal Roll, which was the mechanism for achieving passive thermal control.
The astronauts called it "the rotisserie roll".
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Ok, let's say that the heat insulation was enough for traveling to the moon and back, but what about the reentry into Earth's atmosphere? The claim that a heat shield could protect the astronauts seems dubious to me. The Apollo capsule would have burned up in its entirety! Like a meteorite.
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Anders would be a shining star over there at the site which shall not be named...the one which believes that ALL spaceflight is impossible, ergo, faked.

Proudly ignorant...unbelievable. Anders, there is a LOT of science, engineering, and technology behind spaceflight, You really ought to get at least familiar with some of that before making very outlandish claims and accusations.

Or is this the only way you can get attention in your life...??
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Without tumbling through the air? I doubt that. Had the concept been tested in practice before it was used?
Lots of times, yes. Re-entry was old hat by the time of Apollo. Even before manned space flight re-entry was performed many times.

Back before the days of digital, satellites used film fo imagery. How do you suppose those films were recovered?
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Lots of times, yes. Re-entry was old hat by the time of Apollo. Even before manned space flight re-entry was performed many times.

Back before the days of digital, satellites used film fo imagery. How do you suppose those films were recovered?

A very long ladder.
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Lots of times, yes. Re-entry was old hat by the time of Apollo. Even before manned space flight re-entry was performed many times.

Back before the days of digital, satellites used film fo imagery. How do you suppose those films were recovered?
Streaming.
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All manned spacecraft seem suspicious to me. The International Space Station is definitely real, but I think it's unmanned.
What about the loony detector van - would that be manned? Maybe it's one of those new-fangled driverless buggies.
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Streaming.
Oh sure. I suppose they just launched a canoe to ride this "stream".

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Without tumbling through the air? I doubt that. Had the concept been tested in practice before it was used?
Have you read anything about Mercury or Gemini, or did you just brush them off as hoaxes without doing research?
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Have you read anything about Mercury or Gemini, or did you just brush them off as hoaxes without doing research?
Anders has admitted that he's a troll.
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Anders, you seem suspicious that the Apollo CM couldn't do what it did.

Fact is, it was a carefully designed basic "lifting body". It was able to maneuver somewhat during reentry to adjust it's descent rate and crossrange course. This was demonstrated in it's "double dip" reentry profile, as well as it's near pinpoint splashdown performance.

It was tested in unmanned flights. It had RCS jets to control roll, pitch and yaw during the reentry. It was designed to come through reentry in a controlled manner.

Your incredulity simply comes from lack of knowledge about the craft, and the technologies to solve the issues of spaceflight. Just because you can't believe how Apollo could "work" doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds of thousands out there who "do" spaceflight for a living...solving all the amazing problems that leave all us mere mortals scratching our heads in wonder...
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What about the loony detector van - would that be manned?

Yes, by civil servants from the Ministry of Housinge.
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Have you read anything about Mercury or Gemini, or did you just brush them off as hoaxes without doing research?
Research is irrelevant to the Anders Method which is a highly refined system of trolling. The method oftentimes includes citing other sources but then making statements that are the opposite of what is being cited. Another principal is the liberal use of phrases like "It doesn't make sense to me.", "I doubt that.", "I don't buy that." and "X seems suspicious to me." The method has been perfected to the point that Anders is semi-officially disqualified from the Stundies for being a professional.
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Oh, goody!

More fantasy!

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Yes, by civil servants from the Ministry of Housinge.

Housinge?
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Lots of times, yes. Re-entry was old hat by the time of Apollo. Even before manned space flight re-entry was performed many times.

Back before the days of digital, satellites used film fo imagery. How do you suppose those films were recovered?
Reentry with astronauts and at the same high reentry speed?

Besides:

"The Lunar Orbiters were all eventually commanded to crash on the Moon before their attitude control fuel ran out so they would not present navigational or communications hazards to later Apollo flights." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Orbiter_program

Satellites with ordinary chemical film? I didn't know that. Did those satellites have heat shields for reentry into the atmosphere? That may have been possible, but those were all unmanned.

Ha! You are pulling my leg. The satellite photos were sent to Earth via radio:

"Explorer 6, or S-2, was an American satellite launched on August 7, 1959. It was a small, spheroidal satellite designed to study trapped radiation of various energies, galactic cosmic rays, geomagnetism, radio propagation in the upper atmosphere, and the flux of micrometeorites. It also tested a scanning device designed for photographing the Earth's cloud cover, and transmitted the first pictures of Earth from orbit.[1][2]" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explorer_6

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Good point. If only NASA geeks would have used what they learned from previous missions to design the cameras to not fail in the same way. They could then upgrade the cameras after every mission as a way of ensuring the best possible outcomes.
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I didn't know that.
That's the essence of this entire thread. There are many things you don't know about space and engineering for that environment. Until you've corrected that deficiency, no amount of doubt on you part constitutes anything that the rest of the world is obliged to grant attention.
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