[Merged] Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread - Page 52

dasmiller · 24th November 2022, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by bknight

I know that oxygen is very reactive, however I didn't think much is in free space around the Moon to degrade materials.

The others (Jay & STS) have better experience with this than I, but for my experience, atomic oxygen was primarily a LEO issue.

sts60 · 24th November 2022, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by bknight

I know that oxygen is very reactive, however I didn't think much is in free space around the Moon to degrade materials.

Originally Posted by dasmiller

The others (Jay & STS) have better experience with this than I, but for my experience, atomic oxygen was primarily a LEO issue.

You’re both right. LDEF and our satellite were both Shuttle-deployed and retrieved, so they were in LEO. Sorry for the lack of context, since this discussion is focused on the space around the Moon.

dasmiller · 25th November 2022, 03:31 PM

Compared to the world population, actual spacecraft engineers may be overrepresented in this thread.

bknight · 25th November 2022, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

Compared to the world population, actual spacecraft engineers may be overrepresented in this thread.

And do you have a problem with? I like experts to give their feedback on items within their field.

dasmiller · 25th November 2022, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by bknight

And do you have a problem with? I like experts to give their feedback on items within their field.

I'm one of the spacecraft engineers.

bknight · 25th November 2022, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

I'm one of the spacecraft engineers.

Good deal.!

Myriad · 26th November 2022, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by bknight

And do you have a problem with? I like experts to give their feedback on items within their field.

I for one prefer to get a well-rounded view. What does the common man on the street think about the reactivity of atomic oxygen in low earth orbit?

JayUtah · 26th November 2022, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

The others (Jay & STS) have better experience with this than I, but for my experience, atomic oxygen was primarily a LEO issue.

Yeah, sorry if that was unclear. LDEF was a LEO experiment. You have entirely different materials issues if you want to fly to the Moon. But it popped into my head because of Apollo 12 wanting to see what long exposure to the lunar surface environment had done to Surveyor hardware. Actual experimentation is still our best method of understanding the effects of various space environments on materials. So going back to where we've already placed human-made objects isn't as boring as it sounds.

Horatius · 29th November 2022, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Myriad

I for one prefer to get a well-rounded view. What does the common man on the street think about the reactivity of atomic oxygen in low earth orbit?

Well, I for one think atomic oxygen needs to just settle down and find another nice oxygen to become molecular oxygen with, as God intended.

JayUtah · 29th November 2022, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Well, I for one think atomic oxygen needs to just settle down and find another nice oxygen to become molecular oxygen with, as God intended.

I think the Senate's voting on that today.

Dr.Sid · 29th November 2022, 12:36 PM

Gotta say I miss these good old CTs .. Moon landing and chemtrails .. those were the times.

Hans · 30th November 2022, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

Gotta say I miss these good old CTs .. Moon landing and chemtrails .. those were the times.

One of my 'acquaintances' is fully convinced that fuel cells don't exist and cannot exist, that solar power is also not a a thing - either, and all spaceflight is impossible as no battery can last long enough to power them.........they also think the the world's hollow and tomorrow (since 1968) the world will end.

Jack by the hedge · 30th November 2022, 09:23 AM

I guess they must save a bit on insurance, what with the world constantly on the brink of ending.

bknight · 30th November 2022, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Hans

One of my 'acquaintances' is fully convinced that fuel cells don't exist and cannot exist, that solar power is also not a a thing - either, and all spaceflight is impossible as no battery can last long enough to power them.........they also think the the world's hollow and tomorrow (since 1968) the world will end.

You can't cure stupid.

catsmate · 30th November 2022, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

I think the Senate's voting on that today.

CORed · 3rd January 2023, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Well, I for one think atomic oxygen needs to just settle down and find another nice oxygen to become molecular oxygen with, as God intended.

Well every so often atomic oxygens will have a threesome and make ozone. Perverts.

threadworm · 3rd January 2023, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

Well every so often atomic oxygens will have a threesome and make ozone. Perverts.

Takes hydrogen to really get them moist though.

bknight · 3rd January 2023, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by threadworm

Takes hydrogen to really get them moist though.

h man you are really scrapping the bottom of the ocean.

Gord_in_Toronto · 4th January 2023, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by bknight

h man you are really scrapping the bottom of the ocean.

Is that you, Sandy?

Gulliver Foyle · 6th January 2023, 11:04 AM

*takes a quick gander and backs away slowly*

24th November 2022, 10:09 AM	#2041
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,582	Originally Posted by bknight I know that oxygen is very reactive, however I didn't think much is in free space around the Moon to degrade materials. The others (Jay & STS) have better experience with this than I, but for my experience, atomic oxygen was primarily a LEO issue.
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24th November 2022, 11:52 AM	#2042
sts60 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,033	Originally Posted by bknight I know that oxygen is very reactive, however I didn't think much is in free space around the Moon to degrade materials. Originally Posted by dasmiller The others (Jay & STS) have better experience with this than I, but for my experience, atomic oxygen was primarily a LEO issue. You’re both right. LDEF and our satellite were both Shuttle-deployed and retrieved, so they were in LEO. Sorry for the lack of context, since this discussion is focused on the space around the Moon.
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25th November 2022, 03:31 PM	#2043
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,582	Compared to the world population, actual spacecraft engineers may be overrepresented in this thread.
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25th November 2022, 06:59 PM	#2045
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,582	Originally Posted by bknight And do you have a problem with? I like experts to give their feedback on items within their field. I'm one of the spacecraft engineers.
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26th November 2022, 08:49 AM	#2047
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 19,800	Originally Posted by bknight And do you have a problem with? I like experts to give their feedback on items within their field. I for one prefer to get a well-rounded view. What does the common man on the street think about the reactivity of atomic oxygen in low earth orbit?
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25th November 2022, 05:25 PM	#2044
bknight Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,632	Originally Posted by dasmiller Compared to the world population, actual spacecraft engineers may be overrepresented in this thread. And do you have a problem with? I like experts to give their feedback on items within their field.

25th November 2022, 08:49 PM	#2046
bknight Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,632	Originally Posted by dasmiller I'm one of the spacecraft engineers. Good deal.!

26th November 2022, 09:22 AM	#2048
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,275	Originally Posted by dasmiller The others (Jay & STS) have better experience with this than I, but for my experience, atomic oxygen was primarily a LEO issue. Yeah, sorry if that was unclear. LDEF was a LEO experiment. You have entirely different materials issues if you want to fly to the Moon. But it popped into my head because of Apollo 12 wanting to see what long exposure to the lunar surface environment had done to Surveyor hardware. Actual experimentation is still our best method of understanding the effects of various space environments on materials. So going back to where we've already placed human-made objects isn't as boring as it sounds.

29th November 2022, 08:38 AM	#2049
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,651	Originally Posted by Myriad I for one prefer to get a well-rounded view. What does the common man on the street think about the reactivity of atomic oxygen in low earth orbit? Well, I for one think atomic oxygen needs to just settle down and find another nice oxygen to become molecular oxygen with, as God intended.
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29th November 2022, 12:01 PM	#2050
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,275	Originally Posted by Horatius Well, I for one think atomic oxygen needs to just settle down and find another nice oxygen to become molecular oxygen with, as God intended. I think the Senate's voting on that today.

29th November 2022, 12:36 PM	#2051
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 4,002	Gotta say I miss these good old CTs .. Moon landing and chemtrails .. those were the times.

30th November 2022, 09:14 AM	#2052
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,971	Originally Posted by Dr.Sid Gotta say I miss these good old CTs .. Moon landing and chemtrails .. those were the times. One of my 'acquaintances' is fully convinced that fuel cells don't exist and cannot exist, that solar power is also not a a thing - either, and all spaceflight is impossible as no battery can last long enough to power them.........they also think the the world's hollow and tomorrow (since 1968) the world will end.
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30th November 2022, 09:23 AM	#2053
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14,119	I guess they must save a bit on insurance, what with the world constantly on the brink of ending.

30th November 2022, 11:41 AM	#2054
bknight Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,632	Originally Posted by Hans One of my 'acquaintances' is fully convinced that fuel cells don't exist and cannot exist, that solar power is also not a a thing - either, and all spaceflight is impossible as no battery can last long enough to power them.........they also think the the world's hollow and tomorrow (since 1968) the world will end. You can't cure stupid.

30th November 2022, 12:04 PM	#2055
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,930	Originally Posted by JayUtah I think the Senate's voting on that today.
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3rd January 2023, 03:38 PM	#2056
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,564	Originally Posted by Horatius Well, I for one think atomic oxygen needs to just settle down and find another nice oxygen to become molecular oxygen with, as God intended. Well every so often atomic oxygens will have a threesome and make ozone. Perverts.

3rd January 2023, 05:00 PM	#2057
threadworm Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,819	Originally Posted by CORed Well every so often atomic oxygens will have a threesome and make ozone. Perverts. Takes hydrogen to really get them moist though.
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3rd January 2023, 08:36 PM	#2058
bknight Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,632	Originally Posted by threadworm Takes hydrogen to really get them moist though. h man you are really scrapping the bottom of the ocean.

4th January 2023, 12:36 PM	#2059
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,365	Originally Posted by bknight h man you are really scrapping the bottom of the ocean. Is that you, Sandy?
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6th January 2023, 11:04 AM	#2060
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