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Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words. Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. |
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So as an atheist you have no idea if GOD cures people or not... huh?? Ok... as an atheist... do you know if the deep catholic/anglican faith of the christians described below, was the cause of their malfeasances and grotesque evil??? And why did this so called god not stave off or abate their sordid vile base wickedness in his name... did he enjoy the voyeurism on his representatives ravaging humanity??? And this is not some ancient atrocities by long ago christians... this is within the living memory of people still alive today. Don't you think that this is yet another example of what happens when christians are given free rein to wreak their GODLY WORK??? Don't you think that the fruits of christianity bear a testimonial to it being a rotten sordid tree... a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit... and by their fruits you will know them.
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Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor, they call me a Saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist. - Hélder Câmara |
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Really now?
I've got an organisation that would strongly disagree. The Episcopal Church, from their own website. They even have a toolkit:
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Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor, they call me a Saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist. - Hélder Câmara |
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Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words. Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. |
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The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it. |
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Crickets, where one might expect soundly argued rebuttal, else sincere admission of error?
How naive, right? To expect the latter, when the former seems ruled out? Good job, Mark Corrigan, on getting to that completely unassailable evidence. ---------- The religious who might want to learn about how to do the cricket with a superhuman repression of shame, might want to treat this specimen here as the kindergarten version, and head across next door to The Supernatural threads (two so far) for a more consummate expression of the same principle. |
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Mark, my friend, that you had to do a word search through the Episcopal church's website to find the word "evangelical" says a lot about the depth of your argument.
My apologizes for not being more clear, gentlemen. Many of us know what an "evangelical church" is in common parlance. An "typical" evangelical christian would not have openly expressed doubt about Bible passages as I have here. ..and my church has no problem with me doing so. A "typical" evangelical christian would have used this thread to implore you all accept Jesus as your savior. I have not done so and my church would not expect me to do so. An evangelical christian would have told you all that only christians go to heaven. I don't believe that and my church is okay with me saying that. Furthermore, a typical evangelical christian would have long ago told you all (maybe in a not so nice way) that you are all going to hell because you haven't "accepted Jesus". I have not done so, I don't believe so and my church is okay with me saying so. Of course a couple of you may be Yankee fans, in which case all bets are off. And the fact that you say I am "doing it" doesn't mean I am. Here 's the oldest rule in forum debating: Don't assume that just because the other guy doesn't respond right away you have "won the day". |
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I didn't have to do that. I googled "is the Episcopal church evangelical". That was the first result.
There is a difference between being an Evangelical Church in the sense of the Evangelical tradition (which the Episcopal church absolutely has member churches that are, by the way) and being an Evangelical church in that it evangelises to the hoi poli. You were attempting to claim the later and only now are switching horses to the former. That's exceptionally dishonest. |
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You claimed that your church doesn't evangelise. That was the original claim.
I pointed out that yes, they do, and now you're changing horses to state that the Episcopals are not in the Evangelist tradition. Also, sorry to burst your bubble here but Evangelical tradition Episcopals do exist. |
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Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor, they call me a Saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist. - Hélder Câmara |
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No, I have made it clear that we are not "evangelicals" in the common understanding of the term.
Pentecostals are. You a can google all you want, but it won't change the real world. |
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Except that you have outright changed horses as I pointed out in your quotes. You claimed that you do not proselytize and are not evangelicals. Both of those statements are contradicted by the Episcopal church website in the case of the former, and the The Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches website in the later. Unless you're going to attempt to claim No True Scotsman on them, the fact they exist means that yes, at least some of the Episcopal church are evangelicals.
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I haven't done that, arayder. First, not my debate. I'm just the looker-on, as far as that issue. Second, I'd only commented on your not engaging, and the other thing, which are plain as day. Now no less than then. As far as that other thing: it's a pattern, if only you'd see it. You protested that I was mischaracterizing you when I said, basis your posts, that your belief is based on feelings and not reason. When I then clearly demonstrated it, you neither showed otherwise, nor acknowledged it, but tried to somehow handwave it away. I did not then make an issue of it, or even mention it. Same thing now, except more conspicuous. Your claim has clearly, unassailably, beyond a shadow of a doubt, been shown to be wrong, and indeed a large part of your worldview ---- that your church doesn't proselytize--- and here you go, trying to weasel your way out desperately once more, rather admitting your error squarely and gracefully. The cognitive dissonance at work, don't you like SEE it? ...But of course you don't, that's the nature of the beast. ...Like I said, for a demonstration of the same phenomenon at work on a more exaggerated scale, the exact same thing except for the details of the belief system, head over next doors. That's a more ...picturesque demonstration, for cultural reasons. But it's the exact same thing. See if you can recognize yourself there. And, who knows, maybe catch yourself, just maybe head back to sanity and rationality, even now? |
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I get asked why I believe and when I answer I get accused of proselytizing.
When I respond by saying my church does not behave like a typical evangelical church (something anyone with a lick of church sense already knows) I get treated to a google search word play game and some "you lose" chortling. Enjoy the thread, boys. I am gone. |
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Oh stop pouting, you explicitly stated that your church does not proselytise. Those were the exact words you used.
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