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Old 12th January 2019, 04:16 PM   #2601
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Maths?

I could give you numbers that prove pink unicorns, flying elephants or indeed dark matter and black holes!
I doubt it.
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Old 12th January 2019, 06:18 PM   #2602
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Which posters? Example, please.
The ones you mentioned.

Again

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For very high Fnucleus values, the nucleus is highly porous and dusty with very little ice (e.g. for Fnucleus = 7, the ice content is about 7% for porosities between 68% and 80%, respectively). A variation in porosity by 1% beyond the 70% implies a steep increase in Fnucleus, leaving only a tiny fractional ice content. As a reminder, the upper bound on the porosity is 73% to 85% for a highly porous stony body without ice for the selected dust material density range.
What’s the guestimated porosity of 67P?

Anyone know?
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Old 12th January 2019, 06:31 PM   #2603
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
I doubt it.
To easy, black holes, for example
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The density of the black hole is its mass divided by its volume
is this correct?

What’s the volume of a black hole?


Funny stuff.

That’s believed by quite a few mainstream scientists.

Basically crap in = crap out.

But I digress.
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Old 13th January 2019, 12:39 AM   #2604
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
How the hell would that happen?????? Only an idiot would propose such nonsense. Where was this field at Halley? Where is it at asteroids? Stop making stuff up.

Poor jonesy or poor Z. Huang for being a complete idiot!

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Our simulation results show that an increase of the electron pressure, introduced by a parametrized local electron heating process, leads to an ambipolar electric field that is strong enough to push out the cometary ions and create a magnetic field-free region.
Apossible mechanism for the formation of magnetic field dropouts in the coma of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko Z. Huang et al

Not having much luck lately jd116.

This was also found in the AMPTE experiment.

It’s the ambipolar electric field diverting the solar wind and not your beloved “collisions”.

Next please...
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Old 13th January 2019, 12:42 AM   #2605
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As I’ve said all along...
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From the discussion above it seems to be clear that the lost gas mass was strongly overestimated by the gas instruments and these teams work all on more realistic estimates.
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The observed mass loss (9) implies that either the dust-to-gas mass ratio in the coma is smaller than 1 or that the Q0 is smaller up to a factor of 10 (Table 5) than estimated by ROSINA (Hansen et al., 2016) or MIRO (Marshall et al., 2017).
The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications Martin Pätzold et al

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Old 13th January 2019, 03:25 AM   #2606
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
To easy, black holes, for example is this correct?
It is not a proof. But black holes can be proven by reference to the laws of relativity, and you could simply copy-paste that. It would be rather more interesting if you tried to prove something that nobody else has already proven, such as the pink unicorn.

Your pathetic excuse for not providing a model for EC is ridiculous.
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The ones you mentioned.
I didn't mention any. Which ones?
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Old 13th January 2019, 03:30 AM   #2608
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To easy, black holes, for example is this correct?

What’s the volume of a black hole?


Funny stuff.

That’s believed by quite a few mainstream scientists.

Basically crap in = crap out.

But I digress.
Digress into things that are beyond your limited understanding. Look at the orbits of the stars around Sgr A* and do a calculation for the mass of the object that they are orbiting, using Kepler's 3rd law. I'll wait.
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Not on topic.

This though...

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For very high Fnucleus values, the nucleus is highly porous and dusty with very little ice (e.g. for Fnucleus = 7, the ice content is about 7% for porosities between 68% and 80%, respectively). A variation in porosity by 1% beyond the 70% implies a steep increase in Fnucleus, leaving only a tiny fractional ice content. As a reminder, the upper bound on the porosity is 73% to 85% for a highly porous stony body without ice for the selected dust material density range.
What’s the guestimated porosity of 67P?
Anyone know?

As I’ve said all along...

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From the discussion above it seems to be clear that the lost gas mass was strongly overestimated by the gas instruments and these teams work all on more realistic estimates.

The observed mass loss (9) implies that either the dust-to-gas mass ratio in the coma is smaller than 1 or that the Q0 is smaller up to a factor of 10 (Table 5) than estimated by ROSINA (Hansen et al., 2016) or MIRO (Marshall et al., 2017).
The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications Martin Pätzold et al
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Old 13th January 2019, 03:42 AM   #2610
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As I’ve said all along...



The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications Martin Pätzold et al

Oh, how do feel champ?

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Irrelevant. You still don't have a model. No mechanisms, no science, no evidence.
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And this

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How the hell would that happen?????? Only an idiot would propose such nonsense. Where was this field at Halley? Where is it at asteroids? Stop making stuff up.
jonesdave116

Poor jonesy or poor Z. Huang for being a complete idiot!


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Our simulation results show that an increase of the electron pressure, introduced by a parametrized local electron heating process, leads to an ambipolar electric field that is strong enough to push out the cometary ions and create a magnetic field-free region.
Apossible mechanism for the formation of magnetic field dropouts in the coma of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko Z. Huang et al
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Not on topic.

This though...



Anyone know?

As I’ve said all along...

Irrelevant. Thousands of tonnes of ice blasted out of Tempel 1, and shed loads floating around Hartley 2. Ergo, your previous model is dead. Where is the new one?
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Irrelevant. You still don't have a model. No mechanisms, no science, no evidence.
Jonesdave116 denies mainstream peer reviewed papers that crash his world view and vindicates sol88’s assertions.

Poor jonesy
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Irrelevant. Thousands of tonnes of ice blasted out of Tempel 1, and shed loads floating around Hartley 2. Ergo, your previous model is dead. Where is the new one?
Well, they were wrong. Get over it.

So satisfying. Keep it up.
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Sorry forgot to add, do you believe there is an ambipolar electric field at comet 67, jonesdave116?

Or you going to keep denying the very mechanism you ask me for?
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Irrelevant. Thousands of tonnes of ice blasted out of Tempel 1, and shed loads floating around Hartley 2. Ergo, your previous model is dead. Where is the new one?
My new model?

Ok then, comets are stony objects discharging in the solar plasma!

There it is the new model.
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Jonesdave116 denies mainstream peer reviewed papers that crash his world view and vindicates sol88’s assertions.

Poor jonesy
Wrong. You still have no model.
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Well, they were wrong. Get over it.

So satisfying. Keep it up.
No, they were not wrong. Stop lying. Where is your model? Where is the gas coming from?
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Sorry forgot to add, do you believe there is an ambipolar electric field at comet 67, jonesdave116?

Or you going to keep denying the very mechanism you ask me for?
What mechanism? An ambipolar filed is doing nothing relevant. What is this mechanism? Where have you spelled it out? Show it, or shut up about it.
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My new model?

Ok then, comets are stony objects discharging in the solar plasma!

There it is the new model.
Is not a model. No mechanisms, no science, no evidence. So, still no model. Just unscientific word salad. Fail.
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My new model?

Ok then, comets are stony objects discharging in the solar plasma!

There it is the new model.
ah good.

So, how come this solar plasma is electric AND accelerates positive and negative particles in the same direction?
And at the same time ONLY discharges comets and not all the other rocky objects moving trough it (like, say, the moon?)

Until you get that bit mathematically sorted you have no model, only bad fantasy.

Do get back to us once you have that done?
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ah good.

So, how come this solar plasma is electric AND accelerates positive and negative particles in the same direction?
And at the same time ONLY discharges comets and not all the other rocky objects moving trough it (like, say, the moon?)

Until you get that bit mathematically sorted you have no model, only bad fantasy.

Do get back to us once you have that done?
Electric curcuits, electric fields.

You know everything not mainstream.

Are there electric currents in space plasmas, ls?
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As I’ve said all along...



The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications Martin Pätzold et al

Oh, how do feel champ?

Science evolving
And that paper is somewhat trumped by Fulle's paper;

The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets
Fulle, M. et al.
https://oro.open.ac.uk/57539/1/57539.pdf

Patzold's paper makes a rather unlikely statement that every measurement of the gas production is hugely overestimated. These have been measured by various teams, using various models. Including ground-based estimates from previous apparitions, as well as the current one. For all of them to be wrong is highly unlikely. More likely is that they have underestimated the fall-back mass and /or the contribution to the coma of sublimating grains in the material ejected, as pointed out by Fulle. And Patzold does not appear to have considered the implications of a far lower outgassing rate on the observed plasma environment.
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Electric curcuits, electric fields.

You know everything not mainstream.

Are there electric currents in space plasmas, ls?
Is not a model. Where is it?
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ah good.

So, how come this solar plasma is electric AND accelerates positive and negative particles in the same direction?
And at the same time ONLY discharges comets and not all the other rocky objects moving trough it (like, say, the moon?)

Until you get that bit mathematically sorted you have no model, only bad fantasy.

Do get back to us once you have that done?

Serious question for you, Lukrakk_Sisser do you think Martin Pätzold paper has any bearing on A’Hearns statement quoted below?

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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
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Serious question for you, Lukrakk_Sisser do you think Martin Pätzold paper has any bearing on A’Hearns statement quoted below?
Irrelevant, and is not a model. Where is it?
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And that paper is somewhat trumped by Fulle's paper;

The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets
Fulle, M. et al.
https://oro.open.ac.uk/57539/1/57539.pdf

Patzold's paper makes a rather unlikely statement that every measurement of the gas production is hugely overestimated. These have been measured by various teams, using various models. Including ground-based estimates from previous apparitions, as well as the current one. For all of them to be wrong is highly unlikely. More likely is that they have underestimated the fall-back mass and /or the contribution to the coma of sublimating grains in the material ejected, as pointed out by Fulle. And Patzold does not appear to have considered the implications of a far lower outgassing rate on the observed plasma environment.
So the mainstream don’t know what there doing? Brilliant!

Decent in the ranks.

The dust was measured sampled at more than one comet!

And it’s density confirmed, the RSI experiment told you the comet was extremely porous, the rest is pure mainstream science.

Comets are stony with no ice.

Poor jonesy.
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Irrelevant, and is not a model. Where is it?
Does the electric field divert the solar wind, jonesdave116?
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So the mainstream don’t know what there doing? Brilliant!

Decent in the ranks.

The dust was measured sampled at more than one comet!

And it’s density confirmed, the RSI experiment told you the comet was extremely porous, the rest is pure mainstream science.

Comets are stony with no ice.

Poor jonesy.
Idiotic nonsense. Ice is observed. How many times are you going to lie about this? No rock, no stone. Just dust.
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Does the electric field divert the solar wind, jonesdave116?
You mean the non-existent field at Halley? How would it do that?
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Old 13th January 2019, 04:45 AM   #2631
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So far so good for the electric comet.

As the mainstream are now realising.

Happy to wait and see if the statement
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From the discussion above it seems to be clear that the lost gas mass was strongly overestimated by the gas instruments and these teams work all on more realistic estimates.
comes to fruition.
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Old 13th January 2019, 04:48 AM   #2632
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
So far so good for the electric comet.

As the mainstream are now realising.

Happy to wait and see if the statement comes to fruition.
Not going to happen. As I said, Fulle's paper is likely to be closer to the mark. I suspect discussions may be taking place. And Patzold's paper does nothing for the failed EC woo. It still fails.
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Old 13th January 2019, 04:50 AM   #2633
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
You mean the non-existent field at Halley? How would it do that?
Yawn, why bother Electric Fields and Cold Electrons in the Vicinity of Comet Halley

You don’t think they do anything any way.

Only an idiot would deny the bleeding obvious.

Electric fields and there associated curcuits.

Can’t happen in an ideal perfectly conducting plasma.
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Old 13th January 2019, 04:51 AM   #2634
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Not going to happen. As I said, Fulle's paper is likely to be closer to the mark. I suspect discussions may be taking place. And Patzold's paper does nothing for the failed EC woo. It still fails.
Time will tell.
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Old 13th January 2019, 04:55 AM   #2635
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Yawn, why bother Electric Fields and Cold Electrons in the Vicinity of Comet Halley

You don’t think they do anything any way.

Only an idiot would deny the bleeding obvious.

Electric fields and there associated curcuits.

Can’t happen in an ideal perfectly conducting plasma.
Word salad. Where is the field at Halley? Why are the electrons cold? What significance do you think that has? Have you got any science to discuss at all? (rhetorical)
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Old 13th January 2019, 04:58 AM   #2636
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Time will tell.
It is irrelevant to the failed EC woo. It still fails.
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Old 13th January 2019, 05:00 AM   #2637
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Serious question for you, Lukrakk_Sisser do you think Martin Pätzold paper has any bearing on A’Hearns statement quoted below?
No, this is not a model.

YOU claim that there are invisible space electric fields.

I know enough about electricity to claim that positive and negative charges move in opposite directions in any electric field.

In space we do not see this and there have been enough measurements to claim this as fact.

Therefore YOUR invisible space electric field does not comply with nature as observed.
And until you can explain how that works you have no model.
You can keep harping on unimportant minutiae to avoid having to answer that, but until you fix this glaring problem in your fantasy it will never ever become a model.
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Do we observe negatively charged dust from the nucleus of 67p?

Do we observe ions from 67P?

Work it out, I’ll wait.

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Old 13th January 2019, 05:21 AM   #2639
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Do we observe negatively charged dust from the nucleus of 67p?

Do we observe ions from 67P?

Work it out, I’ll wait.

Irrelevant. Where is your model?
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Old 13th January 2019, 12:36 PM   #2640
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...Could do me a favour and update your list?
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
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