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Old 12th January 2019, 12:43 PM   #1441
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Who the hell writes Wikipedia, anyway?
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Old 12th January 2019, 12:53 PM   #1442
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The InfoWars website receives approximately 10 million monthly visits, making its reach greater than some mainstream news websites such as The Economist and Newsweek.
Indeed, there's no shortage of conspiracy minded suckers in the world. Why anyone would think this validates Infowars is beyond me.

Are you aware of the concept of logical fallacies such as argumentum ad populum? It would behoove you to familiarize.

I'm going to leave it at that in deference to the thread topic.
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Old 12th January 2019, 12:56 PM   #1443
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I really wonder just how many people actually believe Trump these days and how many are just using him because of judges or tax cuts or guns or that he's promoting their own brand of racist xenophobic homophobic nonsense. Because if you can't recognize that Trump is manifestly and inherently deceitful you're just a moron and immensely gullible.
Those who believe in Trump at this point clearly don't want to change their core beliefs, so they simply ignore the facts. I have a friend (in Canada) who only watches Fox News. Anything I try to tell him, he just calls "Fake News."
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Old 12th January 2019, 01:00 PM   #1444
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Wikipedia doesn't write anything. It's a user-moderated encyclopedia that is written in a studied, neutral style that people can challenge and change if they cite appropriate outside references.

What the effing eff? The military is there for defense, not as some standby labor force to work in unspecified factories solving an unspecified problem. It's up to consumers to fix the trade deficit and if they do it wrong, Trump will just add a bunch of taxes to imports, then lie about how tariffs work. Americans are not told where to work and what to buy in the interest of some planned central economy. It's not part of our brand.

Gork ... I'm trying to puke, but all I'm getting is the dry heaves.
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Wikipedia doesn't write anything. It's a user-moderated encyclopedia that is written in a studied, neutral style that people can challenge and change if they cite appropriate outside references.
This was just a simplified way of expressing myself, Minoosh. Another example:
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Wikipedia writes things which are actually true and double checked
(https://www.quora.com/Should-Nitin-G...at-is-defaming )
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The military is there for defense, not as some standby labor force to work in unspecified factories solving an unspecified problem.
I have edited my post, to take your observation into account (replaced "G.I.'s" by "(former) G.I.'s").
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Old 12th January 2019, 01:07 PM   #1445
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
That's dated to just over 10 years ago.
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Old 12th January 2019, 01:07 PM   #1446
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Apparently, you can't handle the truth.
I have explained in post #1437 why I said that about InfoWars, Elagabalus.
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Old 12th January 2019, 01:40 PM   #1447
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Democratic head of House Foreign Affairs Committee creating special unit just to investigate Trump

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/dem...estigate-trump
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Old 12th January 2019, 01:47 PM   #1448
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Some records broken by Trump.
Longest shutdown, highest rate of staff turnover, most days golfing, biggest single-year increase in uninsured Americans, first President to never break 50% approval worst December stock market since Great Depression.
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Old 12th January 2019, 01:56 PM   #1449
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Some records broken by Trump.
Longest shutdown, highest rate of staff turnover, most days golfing, biggest single-year increase in uninsured Americans, first President to never break 50% approval worst December stock market since Great Depression.
Add to that largest deficits,
Most children incarcerated
Most families separated
Most lies told.
Most people insulted.
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Old 12th January 2019, 01:59 PM   #1450
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It just gets better and better.
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Old 12th January 2019, 02:08 PM   #1451
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Add to that largest deficits,
Most children incarcerated
Most families separated
Most lies told.
Most people insulted.
Obama had larger deficits
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Old 12th January 2019, 02:09 PM   #1452
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It just gets better and better.


I mean

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Old 12th January 2019, 02:10 PM   #1453
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Obama had larger deficits
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Old 12th January 2019, 02:14 PM   #1454
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Mod WarningPlease remember this is the general chewing the fat thread about Trump. If you wish involved in depth discussions about a particular policy take it to the active thread on the subject (the chances of there not being one is quite low but if there isn't one you can always start one.) If you wish to discuss the veracity of a website to any degree, take that to its own thread and so on.
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Old 12th January 2019, 02:18 PM   #1455
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Originally Posted by Allen773 View Post
Source?
https://www.apnews.com/044c01a171894e74b8f1b327c6350961


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WASHINGTON (AP) — The federal budget deficit has surged to $779 billion in fiscal 2018, its highest level in six years as President Donald Trump’s tax cuts caused the government to borrow more heavily in order to cover its spending.

The Treasury Department said Monday that the deficit climbed $113 billion from fiscal 2017. Debt will likely worsen in the coming years with the Trump administration expecting the deficit to top $1 trillion in 2019, nearly matching the $1.1 trillion imbalance from 2012.
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Old 12th January 2019, 02:42 PM   #1456
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Given that the tax cuts were supposed to create a surplus at the level of GDP growth in 2018, I think the Trump Deficit is historic, even if technically not the largest (which was set in motion by Bush before retiring).
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Old 12th January 2019, 02:59 PM   #1457
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If we're doing Trump's Greatest Hits, that time the UN laughed at him should be remembered. That was something special.
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Old 12th January 2019, 03:12 PM   #1458
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It seems to me that Trump sounds here like a concerned and hard-working president.


What's next, his deep understanding of international trade, encyclopaedic knowledge of history and large circle of close personal friends?
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Old 12th January 2019, 03:16 PM   #1459
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I don't like to "label" people or organizations, either as good or bad. Even if the "Islamic State" had said something of interest, I could try to report it on this forum or elsewhere, this is not illegal, as far as I know. The same is true for Trump, I generally have never liked most of his ideas, but I tend to think that he is perhaps not quite as bad as he looks, that some of his ideas actually may protect either his country, or the world (or both), an obvious example being a possibility of better relations with Russia. Another example is a slow troop withdrawal from Syria, which is probably much welcomed by Assad and Russia.

You cited Infowars without any supporting evidence.

If someone has a record of promting unhinged conspiracy theories and of making stuff up, why quote them? They have demonstrated they can't be trusted. If, by some strange happenstance, they have a real story, then link to some other site that carries it.

You might as well believe someone who claims to be telepathic.


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It seems to me that Trump sounds here like a concerned and hard-working president.
It's easy to sound like a hardworking person.
I personally have been at work from 5am to 3am eight times this last week, and only stopped because my colleagues couldn't keep up with me, so they told me to slow down.

Trump is by far the laziest president the US has had, he's pretty much the laziest leader that any superpower has had - although Leonid Brezhnev might have been less active in his last few years.
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Our local brewery is not getting labels for their new beer (old standards no problem) from the gov't approval step, so they are giving away growlers of beer to gov't employees.
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Old 12th January 2019, 03:25 PM   #1461
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Old 12th January 2019, 03:32 PM   #1462
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Some people are so eager to be Trump's props.

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On January 3, Brandon Judd, the president of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC), stood next to President Trump in the White House Briefing Room and addressed the press: “I can personally tell you, from the work I’ve done on the southwest border, that walls actually work,” he said. “You hear a lot talk that there are experts that say that walls don’t work. I promise you that if you interview Border Patrol agents, they will tell you that walls work.”

After Judd finished speaking, Trump said that Judd and his colleagues “basically said—and I can take the word ‘basically’ out—that without a wall, you cannot have border security.”

At that very moment, however, the official policy of Judd’s organization—a union for employees of US Customs and Border Control—was that it “disagrees with wasting taxpayer money on building fences and walls along the border as a means of curtailing illegal immigration into the United States.”

That statement came from the official website of the NBPC’s “Media FAQ” page which argued at length against the policy of building border walls. The page, originally published in October 2012, was deleted on or after January 4, according to archives obtained through the Wayback Machine. This was the day after the press briefing, and four days before President Trump gave a prime-time television address arguing for Congress to spend $5.7 billion in order to build a larger wall along the US-Mexico border.
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Old 12th January 2019, 03:42 PM   #1463
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
You cited Infowars without any supporting evidence.

If someone has a record of promting unhinged conspiracy theories and of making stuff up, why quote them? They have demonstrated they can't be trusted. If, by some strange happenstance, they have a real story, then link to some other site that carries it.

You might as well believe someone who claims to be telepathic.




It's easy to sound like a hardworking person.
I personally have been at work from 5am to 3am eight times this last week, and only stopped because my colleagues couldn't keep up with me, so they told me to slow down.

Trump is by far the laziest president the US has had, he's pretty much the laziest leader that any superpower has had - although Leonid Brezhnev might have been less active in his last few years.
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You cited Infowars without any supporting evidence.
I cited InfoWars (a popular though sometimes dubious news website) after I had read an InfoWars webpage that seemed interesting and of good quality to me, about a story that is verified in other ways. If you have doubts, you can do a quick Google search, but be warned that you might not find elsewhere some interesting insights.
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You might as well believe someone who claims to be telepathic.
Indeed.
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It's easy to sound like a hardworking person.
I personally have been at work from 5am to 3am eight times this last week, and only stopped because my colleagues couldn't keep up with me, so they told me to slow down.
I agree with you, that there is a difference between "sounding like a hard-working person", and "being an actual hard-working person", that's why I just said:"Trump sounds here like a ... hard-working president." Now, having said this, I don't think it's easy to be an US president, and I doubt this is a job for really lazy people" (just a personal opinion).
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Old 12th January 2019, 03:47 PM   #1464
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
What's next, his deep understanding of international trade, encyclopaedic knowledge of history and large circle of close personal friends?
If I may, I would vote for "large circle of close personal friends" .
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Old 12th January 2019, 03:58 PM   #1465
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Some people are so eager to be Trump's props.

Linky.
Thank you. Formatted/edited for emphasis:

Originally Posted by Judd, President NBPC, Trump stooge, Jan 3
You hear a lot talk that there are experts that say that walls donít work. I promise you that if you interview Border Patrol agents, they will tell you that walls work.
Originally Posted by NBPC Official Website
...disagrees with wasting taxpayer money on building fences and walls along the border as a means of curtailing illegal immigration into the United States
The page was deleted from their site on Jan 4.
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Old 12th January 2019, 04:11 PM   #1466
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
https://www.apnews.com/044c01a171894e74b8f1b327c6350961




ETA: why did you ask? Did you think I was wrong?
Good job Trump's shutdown the government then!
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Old 12th January 2019, 04:13 PM   #1467
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
You cited Infowars without any supporting evidence.



If someone has a record of promting unhinged conspiracy theories and of making stuff up, why quote them? They have demonstrated they can't be trusted. If, by some strange happenstance, they have a real story, then link to some other site that carries it.



You might as well believe someone who claims to be telepathic.









It's easy to sound like a hardworking person.


I personally have been at work from 5am to 3am eight times this last week, and only stopped because my colleagues couldn't keep up with me, so they told me to slow down.




Trump is by far the laziest president the US has had, he's pretty much the laziest leader that any superpower has had - although Leonid Brezhnev might have been less active in his last few years.
Don't know. I think Lenin may have been less hardworking over the last few years.
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Don't know. I think Lenin may have been less hardworking over the last few years.
Kim Il Sung has really been phoning it in since mid '94.

Still better than Trump though.
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Kim Il Sung has really been phoning it in since mid '94.

Still better than Trump though.
Thinking about it. Trump has probably did more for Russia than Leonid Brezhnev did in his last decade of power
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Originally Posted by Michel H View Post
This was just a simplified way of expressing myself, Minoosh. Another example:

(https://www.quora.com/Should-Nitin-G...at-is-defaming )

I have edited my post, to take your observation into account (replaced "G.I.'s" by "(former) G.I.'s").
I don't know the right size and position for the U.S. military to deploy forces to defend itself and protect its interests abroad. Even if your suggestion was undoubtedly a good policy I still wouldn't trust Trump not to screw it up, even if his intentions were good. Those are two really big "ifs." I see no reason at all to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I agree with you, that there is a difference between "sounding like a hard-working person", and "being an actual hard-working person", that's why I just said:"Trump sounds here like a ... hard-working president." Now, having said this, I don't think it's easy to be an US president, and I doubt this is a job for really lazy people" (just a personal opinion).
A) Aren't weasel words great?
B) Trump had no idea how hard the job was.
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He does indeed have a plan - to hold his breath until he gets what he wants. Everybody other than Michel thinks it's not a good idea to give him what he wants.
I think they should give him a wall. It will be a great opportunity for him to demonstrate his incompetence in a safe way. It will also let the USA function and the public servants get paid.
Pick another issue to make a stand on.
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Trump must go! At least to Mar a Lago. Iím shoveling snow and still itís about Trump.
And we all know what he's shovelling. Well, almost all.
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I think they should give him a wall. It will be a great opportunity for him to demonstrate his incompetence in a safe way. It will also let the USA function and the public servants get paid.
Pick another issue to make a stand on.
I don't think they should. Trump would not be gracious. He would gloat and boast until his fat head exploded. That this fact is the first one in my consideration vs the unfortunate Americans not being paid right now disappoints me greatly. Trump does not bring out the best in people.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Just to give everyone an idea of the scope building a wall across the 2000 mile US Mexico border.

This is a video where they flew a helicopter following the border from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean.

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That was useful. Perhaps the Democrats should play the video in the Senate.

It also needs to go viral.
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Old 12th January 2019, 06:05 PM   #1476
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Since this now the longest government shut down ever, Trump is going to so totally own it and boast how his is the biggest, strongest shutdown ever! He is very likely proud of it!
This is why the Democrats should be targeting McConnell and the GOP Senators and not Trump.
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Old 12th January 2019, 06:07 PM   #1477
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Originally Posted by dmaker View Post
I don't think they should. Trump would not be gracious. He would gloat and boast until his fat head exploded. That this fact is the first one in my consideration vs the unfortunate Americans not being paid right now disappoints me greatly. Trump does not bring out the best in people.
He would. That's what he does and always has done.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
So, you're knowingly foisting an infamously unreliable data source. One thing worse than delusionality ... lazy delusionality.

You misspelled "intentional".
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Old 12th January 2019, 06:47 PM   #1479
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Originally Posted by Michel H View Post
I don't like to "label" people or organizations, either as good or bad. Even if the "Islamic State" had said something of interest, I could try to report it on this forum or elsewhere, this is not illegal, as far as I know. The same is true for Trump, I generally have never liked most of his ideas, but I tend to think that he is perhaps not quite as bad as he looks, that some of his ideas actually may protect either his country, or the world (or both), an obvious example being a possibility of better relations with Russia. Another example is a slow troop withdrawal from Syria, which is probably much welcomed by Assad and Russia.

You can have better relations with organized crime, too. If you give them what they want.

That's pretty much their business model, for that matter.
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Originally Posted by dmaker View Post
I don't think they should. Trump would not be gracious. He would gloat and boast until his fat head exploded....
I'd probably pay money to see that.
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