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Old 11th January 2019, 12:21 PM   #1
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Wisconsin girl missing for three months escapes, leads police to kidnapper

13-year-old Jayme Closs, who has been missing since October when both of her parents were found murdered in their home in Barron, Wisconsin, was rescued yesterday after escaping from her abductor's cabin in a wooded area near Gordon, a rural town some 70 miles or so from Barron.

The lady who found her, who had been out walking her dog at the time, said Closs emerged from the woods and described her as dirty and thin, with matted hair and wearing "shoes too big for her feet". Closs reportedly did not know where she was, but said she believed she had been at this particular location for "most of the time" since her abduction. She apparently took an opportunity to flee when her kidnapper had left the cabin for some reason, and she was able to provide police with a description of his vehicle. The suspect was found very quickly and arrested.

The kidnapper is being charged with two counts of murder and one of kidnapping. According to police he acted alone, and killed the Closses specifically to serve the aim of abducting Jayme, although they've also said that he is not believed to have been known by or had any contact with the Closs family prior to the home invasion.
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:40 PM   #2
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The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
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He was apparently watching the family and planning for a while.

I'm glad she was able to help catch him.
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:45 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
Well... yeah.

What are you "not saying just saying" here exactly? That she was in cahoots?
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
Don't hide. What are you really implying?
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Old 11th January 2019, 01:14 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
You don't think pedophiles are capable of this sort of thing? She had to be in league with him?

What is the matter with you?
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
Needs some random emoticons.
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Old 11th January 2019, 01:48 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
The police have stated in no uncertain terms that she was taken against her will, and that the suspect did not know anyone in the family prior to the abduction.
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Don't hide. What are you really implying?
There is no hiding stupidity, as just demonstrated by the poster you are asking. This was a tragic story, and I am glad she is safe. The thought of someone obsessed with her from afar, eliminating the parents to abduct her always seemed a possibility.
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The police have stated in no uncertain terms that she was taken against her will, and that the suspect did not know anyone in the family prior to the abduction.

Today people can be stalked online, i.e. he may not have known them personally, but he may have developed an obsession with her based on what she'd posted on social media.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
Where did you get the "let her go" part?
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That poor girl is going to be spending the rest of her life trying to fix herself.

I hope they hang this sick ****** high.
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That poor girl is going to be spending the rest of her life trying to fix herself.

I hope they hang this sick ****** high.

Jake Thomas Patterson

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...on/2547093002/
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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
That poor girl is going to be spending the rest of her life trying to fix herself.

I hope they hang this sick ****** high.
I can't imagine what this girl experienced, after the trauma of watching her parents murdered, for the past 3 months.
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Officials have just held another press briefing. They've added a few new details, and reiterated some others.

Regarding the suspect, Jake Patterson, it is known that the cabin where he was keeping Closs had been Patterson's childhood home, but the sheriff was unable to say at this time who legally owned the property. Patterson was not at the home at the time Closs escaped from it. When he was pulled over in his vehicle, it was the deputies' impression that he was driving around looking for Closs.

Regarding the crime scene, the sheriff stated again that it appeared Patterson had specifically targeted Jayme Closs and carried out the home invasion with the intention of abducting her. He said investigators have found evidence that Closs spent substantial time and effort planning the attack, including taking some forensic countermeasures. The sheriff gave "shaving his head to avoid leaving hair traces" as one example, but said he could not elaborate about all the evidence investigators had found along those lines. The Closs parents had been killed with a shotgun, and the sheriff said that multiple firearms including a shotgun of the type used during the killings have been found since Patterson's arrest, but obviously there hasn't yet been any forensic testing on them. A search warrant was still being executed at the house in Gordon at the time of the press conference.

The sheriff reiterated that there is no evidence so far to suggest that Patterson had contact with anyone in the Closs family, including via social media or any other means. How Patterson knew of the family and what led him to target the young girl for abduction, are still being investigated.

Regarding Jayme Closs's escape. Local media has interviewed those who found her. The first lady to find her states that in addition to being generally disheveled, Closs wasn't wearing a coat, and was very dirty, "like she hadn’t been able to bathe or take care of herself". She also remarks that the girl "looked probably 15 pounds lighter than her photos". While the details of her confinement aren't yet known, it's fairly obvious she was not treated well.

The sheriff stated that a criminal complaint is expected to be filed Monday afternoon, which will be made public, and that many more particulars about the allegations will be available in the complaint.
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That poor girl is going to be spending the rest of her life trying to fix herself.

I hope they hang this sick ****** high.
Yeah this is one of those cases where it's hard to see the value of incarceration or any other such forms of attempted rehabilitation.
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Her life has changed forever, but I wouldn't rush to say she'll need "fixing" forever. People, especially young people, can be resilient if they get the right support, and it sounds like this girl has a whole community behind her.
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The suspect killed her parents and either let her go or she escaped?


Hmm mmm.....
All of the reports are that she escaped and asked for help. What's your point?
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Today people can be stalked online, i.e. he may not have known them personally, but he may have developed an obsession with her based on what she'd posted on social media.
This is definitely a possibility. I've heard of stalking cases where the stalker read their victim's social media postings and interpreted them as personal messages meant for him. I think stalked celebrities have also had things like their song lyrics or movie lines re-interpreted in this way.
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All of the reports are that she escaped and asked for help. What's your point?
He's saying the slut was askin' for it, best I can tell.
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Well... yeah.

What are you "not saying just saying" here exactly? That she was in cahoots?
It is unfortunately not uncommon for people to speculate that a kidnapped child or teen that later escapes or is otherwise found alive must have colluded with their kidnapper. In 2013, a girl from California named Hannah Anderson was abducted and taken into the woods in Idaho by James DiMaggio after he tortured and murdered Hannah's mother and little brother. Because DiMaggio was known to the family and Hannah had regular communication with him before the murders, it was speculated by some that she had conspired with the killer and her kidnapping was really an elopement. Police however have been emphatic that this was not the case.

And it's not just girls, and not just kids whose family is killed during their abduction. Shawn Hornbeck was kidnapped and held by his rapist for over four years; infamously, Bill O'Reilly implied that the fact Hornbeck never tried to escape was incriminating, suggesting that he probably enjoyed his experience because his rapist "didn't make him go to school".
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It is unfortunately not uncommon for people to speculate that a kidnapped child or teen that later escapes or is otherwise found alive must have colluded with their kidnapper. In 2013, a girl from California named Hannah Anderson was abducted and taken into the woods in Idaho by James DiMaggio after he tortured and murdered Hannah's mother and little brother. Because DiMaggio was known to the family and Hannah had regular communication with him before the murders, it was speculated by some that she had conspired with the killer and her kidnapping was really an elopement. Police however have been emphatic that this was not the case.

And it's not just girls, and not just kids whose family is killed during their abduction. Shawn Hornbeck was kidnapped and held by his rapist for over four years; infamously, Bill O'Reilly implied that the fact Hornbeck never tried to escape was incriminating, suggesting that he probably enjoyed his experience because his rapist "didn't make him go to school".
Think it is more just applecorp trolling tbf
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He's saying the slut was askin' for it, best I can tell.
Yeah, I think that’s about it. Trolling 101 is the most charitable. Any other motive is truely disgusting.
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Yeah, I think that’s about it. Trolling 101 is the most charitable. Any other motive is truely disgusting.
It seems to have worked tbf
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It seems to have worked tbf
Oh sod off with that noise.

When people call someone out for saying something shockingly offense it's not brilliant satire on the part of the person being shockingly offensive.

When someone walks into an art gallery and ***** on the floor and the patrons run them out of the gallery I don't get the glee in pointing at the patrons and going "Aha! Don't you look foolish! You fell into their clever trap! That's exactly what he wanted you to do when he **** on the floor!"
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Oh sod off with that noise.

When people call someone out for saying something shockingly offense it's not brilliant satire on the part of the person being shockingly offensive.
I never said it was.

Try not to read things out of things that aren't there

Think it was a disgusting post

It just deserves ignoring
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Yeah, I think that’s about it. Trolling 101 is the most charitable. Any other motive is truely disgusting.
The Big Dog will probably be along shortly to White Knight the poor and downtrodden and forever misunderstood posters.

As to the OP, I'm grateful she made it and I bet she'll recover relatively soon. What I also hope is that the news will NOT take this instance to promote more fear, uncertainty, and doubt about... current political things...
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Think it is more just applecorp trolling tbf
does he actually do anything else these days?
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Its a shame that a large number of the replies in this thread were replying to a poster who regularly contributes nothing to a discussion.

Ya'll know there is a way to fix that, right?


ON Topic:

This young girl is going to a need a lot of help and care over the coming months. Its almost certain that she will have been severely traumatized, and repeatedly raped.

At some stage, it might be useful for her to meet with Elizabeth SmartWP
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At some stage, it might be useful for her to meet with Elizabeth SmartWP
Or Jaycee Dugard.
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Yup.

I saw one of those crime shows about this one, I'm thinking the Paula Zahn one, "On the Case"?
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... What I also hope is that the news will NOT take this instance to promote more fear, uncertainty, and doubt about... current political things...
That won't happen because the perp isn't Mexican or Black... he's white.

The silence from the usual suspects will be devastating!
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That poor girl is going to be spending the rest of her life trying to fix herself.

I hope they hang this sick ****** high.

Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty. I remembered that from the Jeffrey DahmerWP case.
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This is a truly shocking story. Unfortunately it is sadly obvious what her abduction also implies about her treatment from the sick bastard who abducted her.

I do wonder about a couple of things:

a) in one of the photographs on the link in the OP, the abducted girl is seen holding a young child's hand. Did she have any brothers or sisters? What became of them if she did?

b) the reports are that the family lived in a "cabin" (?) and one says that the suspect was "hiding" in "hiding in the home he grew up in". What kind of places are these? Is this some poor, rural community?
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Its a shame that a large number of the replies in this thread were replying to a poster who regularly contributes nothing to a discussion.

Ya'll know there is a way to fix that, right?


ON Topic:

This young girl is going to a need a lot of help and care over the coming months. Its almost certain that she will have been severely traumatized, and repeatedly raped.

At some stage, it might be useful for her to meet with Elizabeth SmartWP

I'm not sure about that. From the first link:

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Engelhardt said that Jayme wasn't believed to have been physically hurt and that she was expected to be home Thursday night or Friday. She said the FBI told the family that Jayme was talking and answering questions.
Not Physically hurt from the ordeal of escaping or not physically hurt while being held against her will for 3 months? Anybody have any updates?

ETA:OK, this is interesting:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-year-old.html

Creepy.
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Keep in mind, like in the Elizabeth Smart case, officials are likely not going to release any information about sexual assault especially early on.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Keep in mind, like in the Elizabeth Smart case, officials are likely not going to release any information about sexual assault especially early on.
Yeah, I also imagine that they will be wary of asking her too closely about these kinds of things because of the possibility of psychological trauma. It takes time for all the facts to emerge.
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I saw, on a msn news site, that the suspects brother is a registered sex offender.
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I saw, on a msn news site, that the suspects brother is a registered sex offender.
That seems to be a rather irrelevant detail.
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I saw, on a msn news site, that the suspects brother is a registered sex offender.
And lived in the same house.
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