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Old 10th April 2016, 02:31 AM   #41
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Colour me unconvinced when that has, as the first example:
Indeed, and I don't think this geezer is old however goode he is.

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RBG fell and broke ribs. She's in the hospital.

I will gladly donate money for people to carry her around anywhere she needs to go on a giant, plush cushion for the next two years.
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As a-politically as I can.

I know and understand why we want Justices to be extremely learned and experienced legal experts which pretty much inherently is going to take a lot of time but I do wonder sometimes if we as a society are being fair and reasonable in keeping people in high stress, even if not high physical stress, jobs way, way past the point a normal person would be expected or even required to retire from a normal job.

That all being said I wish RGB the speediest of recoveries because losing her, either from the SCOTUS or this planet, is very close to literally the last thing we need right now.
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Old 8th November 2018, 10:01 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Colour me unconvinced when that has, as the first example:
Picking up on an ancient bit of confusion here... I'm embarrassed on your behalf for being so stubbornly clueless and impermeable to facts. Dictionary definitions that I linked upthread:

a queer, odd, or eccentric person —used especially of elderly men

Or better yet...

An old man
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RBG fell and broke ribs. She's in the hospital.

I will gladly donate money for people to carry her around anywhere she needs to go on a giant, plush cushion for the next two years.
Could we have her frozen in carbonite for the next 2 years? Keeps her alive (and her spot on the supreme court occupied) even if she can't rule on anything.
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Old 12th November 2018, 08:52 AM   #46
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Starting after 2020 election, it's possible we'll stop getting new SCOTUS members for a while. If Trump wins but Dems take Senate, I hope they stand firm and insist they will approve one and only one person: Garland. If Dems win POTUS and GOP wins Senate, I suspect they would approve nobody. Getting new SCOTUS members in the foreseeable future depends on POTUS & Senate same party.

If Dem wins POTUS and Senate, I have but one preference for that nominee: that s/he still be in diapers, though not the kind used by incontinent seniors.

In other words zooterkin ... no more frikkin geezers!
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RBG is undergoing surgery for lung cancer. OMFG.
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RBG is undergoing surgery for lung cancer. OMFG.
I'm not too worried. Kavanaugh strikes me as far more likely to interpret the constitution accurately than Ginsburg ever could.
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She voted to block Trump on asylum from the hospital. Hang on RBG! <cue the Four Seasons>
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I'm on POTUS death watch. I don't think he's going to make it to 2020. He's going to back himself so far up into the corner that the stress will get to him. Then he's going to scarf down one too many boxes of Mac fries and seize up like an overheated engine.
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On the ray of hope side, she broke ribs, the cancer was found incidental to the accident. That often means it was found very early compared to most lung cancers found later when they become symptomatic.

Don't count her out just yet.
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If she dies the week before the inauguration of a Dem POTUS in Jan 2021, I'm pretty sure Mitch will ram a new nominee through. She needs to hold on to the bitter end of the Trump term.
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As a-politically as I can.

I know and understand why we want Justices to be extremely learned and experienced legal experts which pretty much inherently is going to take a lot of time but I do wonder sometimes if we as a society are being fair and reasonable in keeping people in high stress, even if not high physical stress, jobs way, way past the point a normal person would be expected or even required to retire from a normal job.

That all being said I wish RGB the speediest of recoveries because losing her, either from the SCOTUS or this planet, is very close to literally the last thing we need right now.
It's not that high of stress. Clerks do most of the work.
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I hope and pray the cancer will make a full and speedy recovery.
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On the ray of hope side, she broke ribs, the cancer was found incidental to the accident. That often means it was found very early compared to most lung cancers found later when they become symptomatic.

Don't count her out just yet.
According to reports the cancer was caught very early and there is no need for even chemo or radiation. The surrounding tissue must have been clear.

I think RBG has no plans to retire before the 2020 elections for obvious reasons. She understands full well the consequences of 3 Trump appointed judges.
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We need to hurry up and develop Futurama “head-in-a-jar” technology for people like RBG.
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I'm on POTUS death watch. I don't think he's going to make it to 2020. He's going to back himself so far up into the corner that the stress will get to him. Then he's going to scarf down one too many boxes of Mac fries and seize up like an overheated engine.
And you think Pence will have better nominees than Trump?
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And you think Pence will have better nominees than Trump?
He'd likely nominate someone who wants the country run by Biblical law.
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We need to hurry up and develop Futurama “head-in-a-jar” technology for people like RBG.
Why bother? The only reason to keep RBG around is so that she'll rule the way you think cases should be ruled.

Easier to just make you a Justice. Since you already know how cases should be ruled.
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Why bother? The only reason to keep RBG around is so that she'll rule the way you think cases should be ruled.

Easier to just make you a Justice. Since you already know how cases should be ruled.
Right out of the Karl Rove Playbook. Accuse others of that which is your most glaring flaw. We have a supposedly "principled" political hack like McConnell who would have (and did) done anything to prevent a proper and timely nomination going through just so you (yes, you) could have a justice more sympatico to your wishes. You argued on these very boards that Trump wouldn't do that much damage, but hey, at least we get some conservative judges, eh! You might just as well make you a justice since you know even better how cases should be adjudicated.
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Why bother? The only reason to keep RBG around is so that she'll rule the way you think cases should be ruled.

Easier to just make you a Justice. Since you already know how cases should be ruled.
On top of Fmw's spot-on comment, what in Odin's name is wrong with wanting a Justice to remain on the court who rules the way one thinks that cases should be ruled? Let's see how it would look stated opposite:
I really hope X remains on the bench! S/he rules cases in a way I think is wrong.
And then there's this bit of infantility.

I get the distinct sense you didn't think this through at all.
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Oh crap she's in the hospital again.

Please hang on RBG.
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Oh crap she's in the hospital again.

Please hang on RBG.
It's a gall bladder infection. Hopefully they've just hospitalized her as a precaution due to her age and fragile health.

As I said in another thread, I bet Trump and the far right are peeing their pants in glee.
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Oh crap she's in the hospital again.

Please hang on RBG.
Why do you want her to hang on?

And before anyone asks, if you ask a question, and the person doesn't have an opinion on it, it just holds things up. So I'm trying to find out what VARWOCHES opinion is of their own position.
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Why do you want her to hang on?

And before anyone asks, if you ask a question, and the person doesn't have an opinion on it, it just holds things up. So I'm trying to find out what VARWOCHES opinion is of their own position.
I have no opinion on this.
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I have no opinion on this.
I didn't ask you.
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Oh crap she's in the hospital again.

Please hang on RBG.
Need to build some sort of life support machine to keep her going indefinitely. And regular morphine injections so she is not suffering.
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Why do you want her to hang on?

And before anyone asks, if you ask a question, and the person doesn't have an opinion on it, it just holds things up. So I'm trying to find out what VARWOCHES opinion is of their own position.
To protect Mitch from showing what a hypocrite he is.
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I didn't ask you.
Yeah, you made a point of saying so but I went ahead anyway.
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Why do you want her to hang on?



And before anyone asks, if you ask a question, and the person doesn't have an opinion on it, it just holds things up. So I'm trying to find out what VARWOCHES opinion is of their own position.
I am not Varwoches..

But... The longest serving justice is currently Thomas, who was appointed to the court in 1991.

Since that time there have been 5 presidential elections where the democrats either won outright, or lost the election and still won the popular vote. Only once have the Republicans won an election outright (winning both the popular vote and electoral college.) Yet we currently have a supreme Court where the majority of justices are conservative nominees.

Given the fact that the electorate has overwhelming chosen democrats for the past few decades (and the Republicans sometimes only get into power by appealing to a minority of the population), I don't think it is too much of a stretch for some people to want a supreme Court that interprets the laws based on what the majority prefers rather than the minority.

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Need to build some sort of life support machine to keep her going indefinitely. And regular morphine injections so she is not suffering.
Maybe we can have her frozen in Carbonite.

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You like to assume she in the empathetic care of a team of medical practitioners and not some DP committee.
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Why do you want her to hang on?

And before anyone asks, if you ask a question, and the person doesn't have an opinion on it, it just holds things up. So I'm trying to find out what VARWOCHES opinion is of their own position.
Er ok... because I don't want Trump to appoint her replacement because I think that would be a bad thing.
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Er ok... because I don't want Trump to appoint her replacement because I think that would be a bad thing.
I will quit bothering, but I have trouble figuring out if a person likes a supreme Court candidate because they think they do a good job (interpreting the Constitution correctly) or a bad job (giving them what they like). And if someone thinks they are aligned on nearly every issue(correct Constitution interpretation matches their policy preferences) how do they know they are not engaging in motivated reasoning.
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RGB should have retired in 2010 like Stevens. A Trump appointed replacement will probably mean significant reversals of her many greatest judicial achievements, and it will be largely her fault for not stepping down when there was an opportunity for liberals to pick her replacement.

She was 77 years old and had been serving on the SCOTUS for 30 years. What was she waiting for?

This predicament we are in is largely of her own making.
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RGB should have retired in 2010 like Stevens. A Trump appointed replacement will probably mean significant reversals of her many greatest judicial achievements, and it will be largely her fault for not stepping down when there was an opportunity for liberals to pick her replacement.

She was 77 years old and had been serving on the SCOTUS for 30 years. What was she waiting for?

This predicament we are in is largely of her own making.
Is this sort of tactical politicking what Supreme Court Justices are supposed to do? It seems contrary to the spirit of the role if they are on some kind of mission to change things in a particular political direction?
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I will quit bothering, but I have trouble figuring out if a person likes a supreme Court candidate because they think they do a good job (interpreting the Constitution correctly) or a bad job (giving them what they like). And if someone thinks they are aligned on nearly every issue(correct Constitution interpretation matches their policy preferences) how do they know they are not engaging in motivated reasoning.
I'm pretty much in the "give me what I like" camp, though I like to think that more or less aligns with the constitution.
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Is this sort of tactical politicking what Supreme Court Justices are supposed to do? It seems contrary to the spirit of the role if they are on some kind of mission to change things in a particular political direction?
Conservatives treat the SCOTUS as a political body, which it is. The entire point of the Federalist Society is to get conservatives ideologues into judicial seats and advance a conservative agenda. It is reported that Kennedy discussed his retirement with Trump to ensure a conservative judge of his liking (Kavanaugh) filled his seat.

Anybody who thinks such considerations such as strategic retirements are uncouth is woefully naive about the nature of the court. RGB has done us all a great disservice.
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Is this sort of tactical politicking what Supreme Court Justices are supposed to do? It seems contrary to the spirit of the role if they are on some kind of mission to change things in a particular political direction?
It's not what supreme Court justices are SUPPOSED to do.

But Moscow Mitch holding up supreme Court nominations isn't what the Senate is supposed to do either.

As long as Republicans are playing games to rig the supreme Court, you can't blame democrats for wanting to counter their dirty tactics.

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Old 6th May 2020, 07:19 AM   #80
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
It's not what supreme Court justices are SUPPOSED to do.

But Moscow Mitch holding up supreme Court nominations isn't what the Senate is supposed to do either.

As long as Republicans are playing games to rig the supreme Court, you can't blame democrats for wanting to counter their dirty tactics.

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Politicians are political. If Supreme Court Justices act as political animals as well, then I don't see the point of pretending to have a constitution except as a figleaf. There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.
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