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Old 8th March 2020, 04:41 PM   #241
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Would you like to present evidence that Reagan was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's during his second run for office in 1984? He wasn't diagnosed with the disease until 1993, nine years later.

This is from 1986, not 1984, but I'll present it anyway:

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But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity, according to Lesley Stahl. In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986. Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News’ White House correspondent, and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president. As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan’s press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, “No questions at all, about anything.” Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction. When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse, and Stahl immediately began to fret:

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Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin. I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated. Larry introduced us, but he had to shout. Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid?

…Reagan didn’t seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he’s gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet. My heart began to hammer with the import…I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script. But I was quite sure of my diagnosis.
Stahl tried to fill the silence, telling Reagan that her daughter used to tell everyone that the president works for her mommy, but after Reagan took office, she started saying that her mother worked for the president.

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I wasn’t above a little massaging. Was he so out of it that he couldn’t appreciate a sweet story that reflected well on him? Guess so. His pupils didn’t even dilate. Nothing. No reaction.

I'll also share a small anecdote (I'm not presenting this as serious evidence, just something to share): I used to have a book called, I believe: Baked Potatoes: The Pot Smoker's Guide to the Movies (it's in storage somewhere and I don't have easy access to it; maybe someone else here has the book and can back this up). Anyway, the book was published in the 90s after Reagan's Alzheimer's diagnosis. One of the "movies" referenced was Reagan's SOTU speech in, I forget the year, but I'm thinking '84 or '85. The write up claimed it was clear in that speech that Reagan was out of it. I've not seen it, myself, but with Youtube and all it would be easy to find if we could track down the year.
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Old 8th March 2020, 05:01 PM   #242
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I don't think you really do believe that. You can't explain away their endorsements without admitting they don't think Biden has dementia so you go for the absurd.
I don't think he has dementia, I think he just has the olds. But if he did, I don't think anyone would want to rock the boat. They'd endorse him, push him into office on momentum, and quietly start prepping his VP to take over when he resigns.

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No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis.
I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys.
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Old 8th March 2020, 05:28 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
I don't think he has dementia, I think he just has the olds. But if he did, I don't think anyone would want to rock the boat. They'd endorse him, push him into office on momentum, and quietly start prepping his VP to take over when he resigns.





I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys.
There is literally an entire thread on this forum where the topic is Trump's cognitive state. It is full of links to others' thoughts on that issue.

But "nobody" has ever said such things.
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Old 8th March 2020, 05:39 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
This is from 1986, not 1984, but I'll present it anyway:

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But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity, according to Lesley Stahl. In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986. Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News’ White House correspondent, and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president. As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan’s press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, “No questions at all, about anything.” Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction. When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse, and Stahl immediately began to fret
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Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin. I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated. Larry introduced us, but he had to shout. Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid?

…Reagan didn’t seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he’s gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet. My heart began to hammer with the import…I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script. But I was quite sure of my diagnosis.
Stahl tried to fill the silence, telling Reagan that her daughter used to tell everyone that the president works for her mommy, but after Reagan took office, she started saying that her mother worked for the president.
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I wasn’t above a little massaging. Was he so out of it that he couldn’t appreciate a sweet story that reflected well on him? Guess so. His pupils didn’t even dilate. Nothing. No reaction.

I'll also share a small anecdote (I'm not presenting this as serious evidence, just something to share): I used to have a book called, I believe: Baked Potatoes: The Pot Smoker's Guide to the Movies (it's in storage somewhere and I don't have easy access to it; maybe someone else here has the book and can back this up). Anyway, the book was published in the 90s after Reagan's Alzheimer's diagnosis. One of the "movies" referenced was Reagan's SOTU speech in, I forget the year, but I'm thinking '84 or '85. The write up claimed it was clear in that speech that Reagan was out of it. I've not seen it, myself, but with Youtube and all it would be easy to find if we could track down the year.
It is entirely possible that Reagan was beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's during his last couple of years in office. But as Stahl also says, Reagan 'recovered' during that same meeting. She also stated that

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... after that Oval Office encounter with Reagan, she discussed with her producers whether to report on Reagan’s mental condition. “I would have to have skirted around the words ‘senility,’ ‘Alzheimer’s,’ ‘dementia,'” she notes. “I would have been declaring the president unfit to serve, or at least raising the possibility.” That undoubtedly would have set off a political detonation. And such a report would have suggested a White House cover-up—at a time when tense foreign policy matters were in the news and midterm elections were a few months off.
As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing.
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Old 8th March 2020, 05:44 PM   #245
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No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis.
I was. All it should take is a written transcript of anything he's said to make it plain the man is incoherent. If Biden were my relative I'd make sure he was getting neurological assessments in his checkups. If Trump were my relative I'd be hiding his car keys.
As I previously pointed out to TragicMonkey, we were talking about those Republicans who later endorsed Trump. That does not include people who did not support Trump.
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Old 8th March 2020, 05:51 PM   #246
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As I previously pointed out to TragicMonkey, we were talking about those Republicans who later endorsed Trump. That does not include people who did not support Trump.
Well, that's a silly take. When was the last time any politician accused another in their same party of dementia? Even if they were certain enough to try to kick them into retirement, they wouldn't just say so outright. That wouldn't be politick.
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Old 8th March 2020, 06:10 PM   #247
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As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing.
It is very clear that the billionaire establishment do not want Sanders in the Whitehouse. They may well have preferred Bloomberg over a flaky Biden but the wave of votes he rode on during Super Tuesday forced their hands. They have nobody else with a chance of stopping Sanders and his plans to tip the system back in favour of American workers and not billionaires who want a status quo where they pay low taxes and wages, if they don’t just move the jobs offshore to China.

And if Trump does wreck Biden and win another term, they still win.

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Old 8th March 2020, 06:40 PM   #248
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We can keep going around and around regarding Biden's alleged 'dementia', but until someone can provide some actual evidence that is more than just "watch this video!" and 'here's my personal, non-professional interpretation of it" it's nothing more than an opinion.
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Old 8th March 2020, 06:45 PM   #249
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We can keep going around and around regarding Biden's alleged 'dementia', but until someone can provide some actual evidence that is more than just "watch this video!" and 'here's my personal, non-professional interpretation of it" it's nothing more than an opinion.
I agree. There is no point in trying to diagnose people with dementia or other mental ailments.

That said, the videos are what people will watch. We should be able to see that his performances are looking shaky at best.

I hope the Democrats can try to rectify his terrible speech and debate performances now, before the debates with Trump.
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It is entirely possible that Reagan was beginning to show signs of Alzheimer's during his last couple of years in office. But as Stahl also says, Reagan 'recovered' during that same meeting. She also stated that



As I stated earlier, there is a big difference between protecting a sitting president who would "sometimes float away" but would then "pull himself together" and conspiring to INSTALL one with dementia. Yet some here would have us believe that is exactly what nine former Dem. candidates are doing.

With all due respect, even on this board when someone questions Biden's mental health, accusations of Russian Trolls and "Doing Trump's dirty work" begin to fly. There is, in fact, a taboo against questioning the mental health of a political opponent. I fully expect it to be broken by the Trump campaign against Biden this year, of course, and we shouldn't ignore that. However, I also find it quite plausible that that taboo (along with the backlash of the sort I just mentioned) might keep former Dem candidates from expressing concerns.

Note: I'm not claiming they are being kept silent. I'm claiming I don't think their silence is definitive evidence that they don't have concerns over Biden.
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Or the people choose someone pushing the interests of workers instead of a grandfathered billionaires’ pick.
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The last several pages of this thread are why Trump will win. We are all screwed.
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Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!
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If you have retirement and healthcare sorted go launch pumpkins and forget this stuff.
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Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!
Fair summary.
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If you have retirement and healthcare sorted go launch pumpkins and forget this stuff.
I'm trying; I really am. But I love this country, and bad things are happening to it.
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Old 8th March 2020, 07:28 PM   #257
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Notice that the word "criticism" has disappeared entirely.

Given that it's politics, there's going to be a lot of criticism that is irrational.

But no. There are only "attacks" now. They are part of grander strategies than we realize. Anything short of throwing rose petals at a candidate's feet are signs of complicity and acquiescence to the cabal of anarchists/plutocrats/Russians/robot overlords/lizard people.
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Old 8th March 2020, 07:30 PM   #258
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I'm trying; I really am. But I love this country, and bad things are happening to it.
I am an idealist emotionally invested in the Enlightenment founding principles of America. That is when I am not embracing irony and absurdism, which is pretty often.
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Notice that the word "criticism" has disappeared entirely.

Given that it's politics, there's going to be a lot of criticism that is irrational.

But no. There are only "attacks" now. They are part of grander strategies than we realize. Anything short of throwing rose petals at a candidate's feet are signs of complicity and acquiescence to the cabal of anarchists/plutocrats/Russians/robot overlords/lizard people.
Rose petals?! So, you're in the pockets of Big Flower, eh? I should have realized. Does the scent of roses cover the stench of your evilness? For shame!
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With all due respect, even on this board when someone questions Biden's mental health, accusations of Russian Trolls and "Doing Trump's dirty work" begin to fly. There is, in fact, a taboo against questioning the mental health of a political opponent. I fully expect it to be broken by the Trump campaign against Biden this year, of course, and we shouldn't ignore that. However, I also find it quite plausible that that taboo (along with the backlash of the sort I just mentioned) might keep former Dem candidates from expressing concerns.

Note: I'm not claiming they are being kept silent. I'm claiming I don't think their silence is definitive evidence that they don't have concerns over Biden.
Let me be clear: I'm an not accusing anyone in this thread of being a Russian troll. However the fact that a memo, falsely purporting to be from the Sanders Campaign, promoting the Biden 'dementia' accusation was disseminated immediately after Super Tuesday does raise the question of its origin. If not from the Sanders Campaign, then where? I don't think it's either illogical or improbable that it could be part of the verified Russia misinformation campaign. To deny that it's entirely possible is putting one's head in the sand.

If the Dems who endorsed Biden had concerns for his mental health but felt it was taboo to say so, then all they had to do was say nothing. Instead, they endorsed his candidacy. By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous.

Trump and his team are already attacking Biden's mental health.

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In all fairness Biden has no idea what he’s saying or where he is most of the time. When will someone close to him finally say enough is enough? It’s not right anymore.
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By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous.
Some here would have us believe that you can refer to people directly instead of roundabout imputation, so that if they would not have you believe that and what you believe they would have you believe is just an unusually passive-aggressive strawman they can correct you to your face.

But as it happens, yes, I would have you believe that the establishment is exactly that scared of Sanders. I really don't know why, but everything he's done has been cast in the most negative light possible, and everything Biden's done has been rainbows and unicorns.
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Yes, Biden is a soft target and Trump has hypocrisy distortion fields.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
If the Dems who endorsed Biden had concerns for his mental health but felt it was taboo to say so, then all they had to do was say nothing. Instead, they endorsed his candidacy. By doing so, some here would have us believe that they are so scared of Sanders winning that they'd knowingly put someone mentally incompetent (and bound to only get worse) into the most powerful position on earth. I find that preposterous.
You calling them preposterous for doing it does not stop them from doing it.
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You calling them preposterous for doing it does not stop them from doing it.
Garden variety argument from personal incredulity.
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Yes, Biden is a soft target and Trump has hypocrisy distortion fields.
I’m not saying I’m against socialism, I’m saying that running Sanders is a gift to the Trump administration who are clearly going to go on and on about his honeymoon in Moscow and his praise of Castro! That’s all I am saying when I bring it up all the time.
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I’m not saying I’m against socialism, I’m saying that running Sanders is a gift to the Trump administration who are clearly going to go on and on about his honeymoon in Moscow and his praise of Castro! That’s all I am saying when I bring it up all the time.
The indignation and scolding has been pretty funny.
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When does the memo say to go into the failed 1988 campaign?
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Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!
Hmmmm.....interesting. Problem with Biden voters? I'm shocked.
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Also, why don’t they just say “black people”? That’s who rejected Sanders. According to exit polls, Biden bested Sanders among black voters in every state on Super Tuesday, winning 58 percent of black voters, according to the Washington Post.

Undeterred by actual data, Sanders surrogates’ new tactic seems to be an attempt to paint blacks as low-information voters who somehow don’t know Biden’s record. Apparently, the people who vote for Sanders are genius-level political strategists but the ones who cast a ballot against him just aren’t smart enough to wade through the publicly available information.
https://www.theroot.com/an-open-lett...tio-1842100419
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Old 8th March 2020, 09:52 PM   #269
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Does Biden have any qualifications to be president?
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Old 8th March 2020, 10:06 PM   #270
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Does Biden have any qualifications to be president?
Would you believe three degrees and top of his law school class, paid for by a full academic scholarship?
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Old 8th March 2020, 10:12 PM   #271
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Would you believe three degrees and top of his law school class, paid for by a full academic scholarship?
If he was applying for a position at a law firm, that would be good. If he wanted to be solicitor general,that would make sense too.

What legal questions does not president need to answer?
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Old 8th March 2020, 10:16 PM   #272
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If he was applying for a position at a law firm, that would be good. If he wanted to be solicitor general,that would make sense too.

What legal questions does not president need to answer?
If he wasn’t flat out lying it would be even better.

That Time Joe Biden Lied About His Academic Credentials

The presidential candidate bragged about graduating in the top half of his class at law school. He was 76th in a class of 85.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...c-credentials/

Watch the video for the full scale of Biden’s douchebaggery.
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Old 8th March 2020, 10:59 PM   #273
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Does Biden have any qualifications to be president?


Please list the qualifications you think are necessary and we’ll see how they measure up with the incumbent.
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Old 9th March 2020, 12:33 AM   #274
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“We can not win this election. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.”

-- Joe Biden yesterday

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-rally-video/

It turns out this video was doctored by the White House:
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Twitter applied its new “manipulated media” label for the first time on Sunday to a deceptively edited video of former vice president Joe Biden. The video was shared by White House social media director Dan Scavino and retweeted by President Trump.
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In this case, the altered video of Biden -- who has surged to the front of the Democratic race to oust Trump in November -- is based on a speech he gave in Kansas City, Mo., on Saturday. It was then shared on Twitter by Scavino, only edited to make it appear as if Biden inadvertently endorsed Trump for reelection.

The version of the video shared by Scavino showed Biden stumbling on a line during a speech, then saying, “Excuse me. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.”

But the edited video deleted the second part of the former vice president’s sentence. The whole thing said: “Excuse me. We can only reelect Donald Trump if in fact we get engaged in this circular firing squad here. It’s gotta be a positive campaign.”
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics...c-credentials/

Watch the video for the full scale of Biden’s douchebaggery.
That's some serious presidential material right there.
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Old 9th March 2020, 04:58 AM   #276
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Please list the qualifications you think are necessary and we’ll see how they measure up with the incumbent.
Executive leadership experience.
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Old 9th March 2020, 05:34 AM   #277
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Can't vote for Sanders; he's a crazy old radical socialist from the 1960's who believes in the Lost Tribe of politics, and he'll never get his crazy universal healthcare through Congress and he praises Cuba and Stalin, and he's old and had a heart attack and he's not even a real Democrat, and his Bernie Bros are just like Donald Trump and, and, and...

Oh, look Biden made another embarrassing gaffe!

How dare you do Trump's work for him, passing on all the disinformation of the Russian bots and Putin must love you, and there is nothing wrong with Biden, he has always been this way and how can you even when the point is to get someone anyone elected just shut up shut up already!
It's pretty funny how thin-skinned the Biden defenders are considering the volume of criticism that has been leveled at Bernie and his supporters. Even suggesting that Biden in sundowning on live TV and they screech about being a stooge for Trump or a bot from Russia.

The emperor has no clothes. 2020 Biden is not the same man from 2008 that ran circles around Palin in a VP debate or the man from 2012 that held his own against Paul Ryan.

If Biden is the candidate, then I hope this doesn't matter. It might not. President Trump doesn't have the same advantages as candidate Trump had in 2016. Trump can't demonize the swamp as effectively because he is the swamp now. Biden's not Trump, and that itself may be enough for him, or for any hypothetical Democratic candidate.

Biden also doesn't have the decades of right-wing propaganda baggage that Hillary had in 2016. Fair or not, she was hated by huge swaths of the population.

Of course, the Burisma political prosecution is going to spring back to life. It doesn't matter that it's totally illegitimate. Biden's defense that his son's do-nothing job wasn't illegal corruption, but rather ordinary lawful nepotism, isn't going to endear him to the public.

I hope that's enough, because I don't see Biden getting anyone enthusiastic.

Biden is the establishment's choice. They own this.
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The same establishment that also pushed Hillary on us last time. Their goal must be to dig up the most unelectable people they can find... and then tell us they're the most electable.
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Americans no longer elect their President.
Instead, they make sure that the other one doesn't get to be President.
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Old 9th March 2020, 07:03 AM   #280
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Biden is the establishment's choice. They own this.
Not sure what exactly they own, but take heart, neither establishment cannot stop Bernie. He told us so himself.
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