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Old 2nd April 2020, 03:29 PM   #1
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Navy expected to remove Capt of USS Roosevelt for exposing corona outbreak onboard

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...id-19-n1175351
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Good grief, why? "Loss of trust and confidence" over what? What else was he supposed to do? Methinks something stinks here.
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Old 2nd April 2020, 03:40 PM   #3
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Good grief, why? "Loss of trust and confidence" over what? What else was he supposed to do? Methinks something stinks here.
He broke the veil of secrecy. Remember, this is the same regime that routinely "accidentally" puts records on a high-classification server.
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Other news sources have confirmed this. It is certainly outrageous; the man is a hero.
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Is there any evidence that leaking the letter accomplished anything in regards to the combat readiness of the carrier?
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Is there any evidence that leaking the letter accomplished anything in regards to the combat readiness of the carrier?
A bad outbreak of virus among the crew would affect its combat readiness but unless it was the captain who leaked the letter, I can't see how it would lead to his removal.
The article doesn't say who leaked the letter.
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A bad outbreak of virus among the crew would affect its combat readiness but unless it was the captain who leaked the letter, I can't see how it would lead to his removal.
The article doesn't say who leaked the letter.
If the Navy thinks he leaked it,they won't present their evidence, so I reject their claim. But I'm entertaining the hypothetical.

But it isn't alleged he leaked it.thw issue is he sent it to 30 people and violated the chain of command (allegedly).

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If the Navy thinks he leaked it,they won't present their evidence, so I reject their claim. But I'm entertaining the hypothetical.
If I had to bet, I'd say it wasn't the captain who leaked it but someone on the receiving end.
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You would think that the crew of one of our most powerful military assets would warrant better medical care than this. That's the scary secret that I think the brass didn't want out.
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You would think that the crew of one of our most powerful military assets would warrant better medical care than this. That's the scary secret that I think the brass didn't want out.
As a nuke in the Navy, we talked about if radiation is safe or not. Safe is a relative concept. Relative to the fact they put soldiers in front of enemies with guns pointed at them, my time on a submarine was very safe.

So it is hard to assess if the have been doing a good or bad job of balancing their responsibilities to crew health and the mission.
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A bad outbreak of virus among the crew would affect its combat readiness but unless it was the captain who leaked the letter, I can't see how it would lead to his removal.
The article doesn't say who leaked the letter.
The Navy was ignoring his pleas for help and refusing to act. The letter got out and now action is being taken to get people off the ship. The letter made a huge difference but it made higher-ups look bad, so he has to go.
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The Navy was ignoring his pleas for help and refusing to act. The letter got out and now action is being taken to get people off the ship.
Evidence for this?
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As a nuke in the Navy, we talked about if radiation is safe or not. Safe is a relative concept. Relative to the fact they put soldiers in front of enemies with guns pointed at them, my time on a submarine was very safe.

So it is hard to assess if the have been doing a good or bad job of balancing their responsibilities to crew health and the mission.
He was begging to get the healthy crew off before they all caught the virus. Navy vessels are like prisons in that they are effectively closed ecosystems with close quarters that are the perfect environment for a viral wildfire.
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He was begging to get the healthy crew off before they all caught the virus. Navy vessels are like prisons in that they are effectively closed ecosystems with close quarters that are the perfect environment for a viral wildfire.
And it is hard to assess how much sickness is acceptable for a carrier.
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And it is hard to assess how much sickness is acceptable for a carrier.
With a highly infectious respiratory virus?
Zero. The answer is zero.
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With a highly infectious respiratory virus?
Zero. The answer is zero.
If that level of risk is expected, then I think some infantry would have some questions.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
As a nuke in the Navy, we talked about if radiation is safe or not. Safe is a relative concept. Relative to the fact they put soldiers in front of enemies with guns pointed at them, my time on a submarine was very safe.

So it is hard to assess if the have been doing a good or bad job of balancing their responsibilities to crew health and the mission.
What sub were you on? My husband was on nuclear sub SS Sunfish. He got thyroid cancer which the doc said was likely due to radiation from his time on the sub.
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Having an infectious disease onboard is not something only the next one in the chain of command needs to know.
Remember that months ago the Trump administration told the DOJ not to do anything to protect the troops because that would go against Trump's message that everything is fine.
This is retaliation for proving Trump wrong.
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What sub were you on? My husband was on nuclear sub SS Sunfish. He got thyroid cancer which the doc said was likely due to radiation from his time on the sub.
I was on a Los Angeles class. It was out of guam.

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Having an infectious disease onboard is not something only the next one in the chain of command needs to know.
Remember that months ago the Trump administration told the DOJ not to do anything to protect the troops because that would go against Trump's message that everything is fine.
This is retaliation for proofing Trump wrong.
It seemed more than the immediate next in the chain of command knew.... because they received orders to pull into guam.
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As someone formerly in the Navy, what he did is considered a no-no, and as the captain of a ship he should have known better.

Granted, it isn't wartime, so the risk is probably low right now, but the old wartime motto is "loose lips sink ships" and he publicly revealed information regarding the current state of battle readiness of the US Navy. And I think it's likely that this aircraft carrier is not the only Navy ship currently experiencing such issues. Essentially, he publicly revealed classified information.
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And our government has the gall to complain about China stopping the first Wuhan whistleblower?
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As someone formerly in the Navy, what he did is considered a no-no, and as the captain of a ship he should have known better.

Granted, it isn't wartime, so the risk is probably low right now, but the old wartime motto is "loose lips sink ships" and he publicly revealed information regarding the current state of battle readiness of the US Navy. And I think it's likely that this aircraft carrier is not the only Navy ship currently experiencing such issues. Essentially, he publicly revealed classified information.
But don't you think that's because no one was listening to him and/or acting?
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Having an infectious disease onboard is not something only the next one in the chain of command needs to know.
Remember that months ago the Trump administration told the DOJ not to do anything to protect the troops because that would go against Trump's message that everything is fine.
This is retaliation for proving Trump wrong.
The insanity in backward-land is only getting worse.
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Apparently, he didn't go through the proper chain of command and sent the letter/memo over an unsecured line.
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Apparently, he didn't go through the proper chain of command and sent the letter/memo over an unsecured line.
Worth a verbal reprimand at most.
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He broke the veil of secrecy. Remember, this is the same regime that routinely "accidentally" puts records on a high-classification server.
The Captain broke the veil of secrecy because Trump...? Thats a bit of a stretch. But please bring on the friday outrage.
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He willingly joined the military, he wasn't forced to, people in this day and age if you don't know that you're giving up your rights by joining the military then I don't know what to tell you
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And now we will be reminded that Republicans only like the military when they are dying never when they ask for anything like "Can I please not die for no reason?"
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He broke the veil of secrecy. Remember, this is the same regime that routinely "accidentally" puts records on a high-classification server.
The Captain broke the veil of secrecy because Trump...? Thats a bit of a stretch. But please bring on the friday outrage.

Thank you for pointing out that "regime that routinely "accidentally" puts records on a high-classification server" = Trump!
Where would we be without you?
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Worth a verbal reprimand at most.
Navy has been in operation for more than 240 years.
Navy has saved our country and others on numerous occasions.
Navy don't care about your personal socio-political pecadillos.

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And now we will be reminded that Republicans only like the military when they are dying never when they ask for anything like "Can I please not die for no reason?"
government service ie: the Military, you volunteer, and you know the cost when you do. So.... silly lefties
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government service ie: the Military, you volunteer, and you know the cost when you do. So.... silly lefties


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"If you're not willing to stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them."
certain jobs have inherent risks, that's life. The military isn't exactly a safe space kind job.
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certain jobs have inherent risks, that's life. The military isn't exactly a safe space kind job.


Love the hypocrisy, keep it up!
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Also total pedantic nitpick.

It's the USS Theodore Roosevelt, not the USS Roosevelt. The USS Roosevelt is an entirely different ship.

USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) = Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier, 1,092 foot long, displacement of over 100,000 tons, powered by two GE PWR Nuclear Reactors, crew of anywhere from 3,500-6,000 depending on exact mission. Named after Theodore Roosevelt, obvs.

USS Roosevelt (DDG-80) = Arleigh Burke Class Guided Missile Destroyer, 509 foot long, 9.200 ton displacement, powered by four GE Gas Turbines, crew of 380. Named after Franklin Roosevelt and no I don't know why they just went with "Roosevelt" since we've had ships named "USS Franklin Roosevelt" before.

Very different ships.
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"LOL the libruls are all triggered because they didn't want a warship's crew to die for no reason." - Actual Republican Argument.

WHAT EVEN IS 2020?
the present year....
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nonsensical snowflakism
Do you need a safe space? bothsidesbad
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