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Old 16th April 2020, 06:13 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I walked by her end a minute ago.
Nice way to talk about Mrs. Trebuchet.




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Old 16th April 2020, 06:19 PM   #362
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Remember when Pence ordered his Coronavirus task staff not to go on CNN?
After that story hit the media, that order was reversed:
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Vice President Mike Pence's office reversed course on Thursday afternoon, after declining for days to allow the nation's top health officials to appear on CNN and discuss the coronavirus pandemic, in what was an attempt to pressure the network into carrying the White House's lengthy daily briefings in full.

After this story was published, Pence's office allowed for the booking of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield for CNN's Thursday night coronavirus town hall. Dr. Anthony Fauci was also booked for Friday on "New Day."

Previously, Pence's office, which is responsible for booking the officials on networks during the pandemic, said it would only allow experts such as Fauci or Dr. Deborah Birx to appear on CNN if the network televised the portion of the White House briefings that includes the vice president and other coronavirus task force members.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media...rus/index.html
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Old 16th April 2020, 07:09 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Remember when Pence ordered his Coronavirus task staff not to go on CNN?
After that story hit the media, that order was reversed:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media...rus/index.html
I doubt the original order came from Pence.
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Old 16th April 2020, 09:03 PM   #364
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We went about this all wrong.

At the very beginning, we should have told the president that if the followed the advice of the medical staff, he would receive a $300,000,000 bonus.

And then negotiate with various media outlets to throw in things like Time Magazine’s Person-of-the-Year award, network coverage for 3 political rallies of his choice, and 14 column-inches in the Sunday New York Times from the next 12 weeks.

We could have saved A LOT of money.
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Old 16th April 2020, 10:01 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
If he's too vain to wear glasses then he could wear 'reading' contacts that correct both near and far seeing problems. Or, he could get laser surgery that does the same thing. I got that almost 30 years ago. It was very easy. Personally, I'd rather get either than look like a 3rd grade school kid reading a book report that clearly my high school sibling wrote for me.
He can have his statement printed in any size type he needs. Glasses aren't the problem.
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Old 16th April 2020, 10:21 PM   #366
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Let me get this straight... an OANN poll gives Trump a 7-point lead in Jesse Helms Country?
Perhaps a better first question is... does that poll even exist in the first place? Apparently, there is no such OANN poll. There is, apparently, a poll by a right wing think tank that matches the numbers, but... meh. Right wing think tanks tend not to be anywhere close to as reliable as they like to try to make themselves sound.

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Trump tweets

Crazy Nancy Pelosi deleted this from her Twitter account. She wanted everyone to pack into Chinatown long after I closed the BORDER TO CHINA. Based on her statement, she is responsible for many deaths. She’s an incompetent, third-rate politician!

(link to video in tweet). https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...52583318736896
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The big fat liar did no such thing.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-tr...deb1ce0b3.html
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is this another one of his "I know you are but what am I" defenses?
I'm mildly surprised that the obvious wasn't pointed out. Chinatown is NOT China.

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The United States could send Russia ventilators



https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/...mp-says-a70008
Fits the usual pattern of Make Russia Great Again.
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Old 17th April 2020, 12:02 AM   #367
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I doubt the original order came from Pence.
Perhaps not but shouldn't his 'office' have run it past him first?
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Old 17th April 2020, 12:04 AM   #368
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He can have his statement printed in any size type he needs. Glasses aren't the problem.
I agree. I've never thought the problem is related to not wearing glasses.
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Old 17th April 2020, 12:24 AM   #369
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I have a question. Is he really as inarticulate as he seems, or is he just pandering to his base by not using them fancy words?
He really is like that. It's a marriage made in heaven.
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Old 17th April 2020, 01:45 AM   #370
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Trump Tweets

THANK GOD FOR TRUCKERS!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

THANK GOD FOR TRUCKERS!
He really is like Toad in Wind in the Willows "Poop, poop"
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Remember when Pence ordered his Coronavirus task staff not to go on CNN?
After that story hit the media, that order was reversed:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media...rus/index.html
I'll say it again. Even rats in a maze figure out how to avoid getting shocked. These morons are dumber than rats.
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Old 17th April 2020, 06:33 AM   #373
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Trump tweets - Crazy Nancy Pelosi deleted this from her Twitter account. She wanted everyone to pack into Chinatown long after I closed the BORDER TO CHINA. Based on her statement, she is responsible for many deaths. She’s an incompetent, third-rate politician!
It's really off-the-rails the way this moron addresses other elected leaders. The name calling. Nancy Pelosi is crazy, she's incompetent, a third-rate politician, responsible for people dying. WTF? Who addresses other people this way? Other elected officials don't refer to Trump this way. This is how a president addresses the leader of the opposition party? In what ******** country is this the norm? Sadly, in our ******** country, thanks to the ******** president we have.

This is the moron's wife discussing the use of the internet:
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Communicate your values clearly so your kids can make thoughtful decisions when they face tricky situations...The internet — and technology in general — are powerful forces for good. I believe that, together, we can make a real difference in encouraging positive behavior online. First Lady Link
Yet nobody in public life calls this whackjob out on this. I guess he's already degraded our standards beyond that point.

Unbelievable.
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Old 17th April 2020, 06:59 AM   #374
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Who watches these things (other than idiots and masochists)?

While I was briefly in the office yesterday to collect and mail some checks, a coworker walked past my office and we started talking (at a safe distance). He watches Trump's and Governor Cuomo's press conferences obsessively to stay informed on what's happening.
However, I mentioned a few past events.

Trump not wanting to remove passengers from a cruise ship because "it will make our numbers go up".
"I thought that was the Governor of California."

Trump saying he had inherited a bad test that was just developed in January.
"Maybe he meant a test for a different coronavirus strain."

Trump cutting WHO funding.
"This may not be the best time, but if they're showing favoritism to certain countries or helping cover things up, maybe we should put it on hold while they're investigated."
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
It's really off-the-rails the way this moron addresses other elected leaders. The name calling. Nancy Pelosi is crazy, she's incompetent, a third-rate politician, responsible for people dying. WTF? Who addresses other people this way? Other elected officials don't refer to Trump this way. This is how a president addresses the leader of the opposition party? In what ******** country is this the norm? Sadly, in our ******** country, thanks to the ******** president we have.

This is the moron's wife discussing the use of the internet:


Yet nobody in public life calls this whackjob out on this. I guess he's already degraded our standards beyond that point.

Unbelievable.
A word that few seem to use anymore: Propriety, "the state or quality of conforming to conventionally accepted standards of behavior or morals."

Trump didn't degrade conventionally accepted standards by himself. The degradation is a progression that began with cable television, the proliferation of television stations that didn't have to conform to the standards of the Big 3 networks.

The next step was the gutting of the "Equal Time Rule" and the "Fairness Doctrine." This left radio and television stations free to air biased material.

Then Rush Limbaugh reached syndication in 1988. Next, the development of the Internet in the early 90's. After that, in 1996, the birth of Fox News. Soon after, the proliferation of cell phones and social media.

All of this and other factors, has led to the degradation of accepted standards of behavior and morals in the U.S. Trump himself didn't cause this, he is the product of it and has taken full advantage.

40 years ago, idiots didn't have a worldwide soapbox for their racism, sexism, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, etc. They couldn't spread their hatred widely. Now they have that ability, and the ability to recruit others into their insanity.

I can remember a time, at least where I grew up, when people who expressed the kind of views that are now considered normal who have been shunned. Today, almost half the people in this country agree with these views.

We've become a nation of fear and loathing. We opened Pandora's box in the name of freedom of speech and ideas, and we can never close it again.
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That's all part of his "charm."

We've become a nation of "kneejerks" who are "too easily offended" and "fake" and "phony" and worst of all... *pause as I build the moral strength required to even say such a vile word....* "DRAMATIC."

We need a "think from the gut" no nonsense leader who "speaks his mind" to counter all the damage done by those uppity intellectuals.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
It's really off-the-rails the way this moron addresses other elected leaders. The name calling. Nancy Pelosi is crazy, she's incompetent, a third-rate politician, responsible for people dying. WTF? Who addresses other people this way? Other elected officials don't refer to Trump this way. This is how a president addresses the leader of the opposition party? In what ******** country is this the norm? Sadly, in our ******** country, thanks to the ******** president we have.

This is the moron's wife discussing the use of the internet:


Yet nobody in public life calls this whackjob out on this. I guess he's already degraded our standards beyond that point.

Unbelievable.
I watched a movie last night. "Deep Impact". For those of you who haven't seen it, it's one of the "killer asteroid" movies. Not a bad flick, in my opinion. What struck me was that Morgan Freeman plays the president, and he is portrayed as a sort of ideal president. Yes, he was working from a script, so he could be ideal pretty easily. However, he wasn't all that different from every president in my lifetime, until this one. When the scriptwriters put together an image of a perfect president, they took real presidents, and made them a bit better. There was absolutely no trace of Trump in that character.

How did we sink so low, from that ideal of a president, to the current reality?
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Old 17th April 2020, 07:39 AM   #378
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The next step was the gutting of the "Equal Time Rule" and the "Fairness Doctrine." This left radio and television stations free to air biased material.

Then Rush Limbaugh reached syndication in 1988. Next, the development of the Internet in the early 90's. After that, in 1996, the birth of Fox News. Soon after, the proliferation of cell phones and social media.

All of this and other factors, has led to the degradation of accepted standards of behavior and morals in the U.S. Trump himself didn't cause this, he is the product of it and has taken full advantage.
I agree with a lot of this.

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40 years ago, idiots didn't have a worldwide soapbox for their racism, sexism, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, etc. They couldn't spread their hatred widely. Now they have that ability, and the ability to recruit others into their insanity.

I can remember a time, at least where I grew up, when people who expressed the kind of views that are now considered normal who have been shunned. Today, almost half the people in this country agree with these views.
On this point, though, I disagree. Where I grew up at least, racism was pretty common, and a lot more than is acceptable now And sexism and homophobia were just normal. (I was born in 62, graduated high school 40 years ago) I was a liberal, so I occasionally objected when people complained about (insert the N word here), but I wasn't too vocal about it, because that could be kind of dangerous. I think there was a lot more racism then, at least in small town Illinois, but it wasn't a whole lot different when I went of to a University where there were a lot more city and suburban folk, in a lot more cosmopolitan atmosphere.

To me, Trump's ideology isn't so incredibly extreme that I find it unacceptable. I don't agree with it, but it doesn't make my skin crawl. It's his attitude, his manners, his general embracing of anti-intellectualism. I contrast Donald Trump with Jack Kennedy sometimes. I feel like Donald Trump is "We are entitled to greatness because we are Americans", where Jack Kennedy was more, "We are obligated to be great, because we are Americans."

I don't remember Kennedy, and I'm sure the real Kennedy wasn't as good as the sound bites, but we really need someone like that now.

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How did we sink so low, from that ideal of a president, to the current reality?
One reason is that he ran on the oldest, simplest of political promises: "If you vote for me, I will make your life better," and the people who felt left behind and left out by a changing economy believed him. His clueless opponent told those people "You're a basket of deplorables."
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One reason is that he ran on the oldest, simplest of political promises: "If you vote for me, I will make your life better," and the people who felt left behind and left out by a changing economy believed him. His clueless opponent told those people "You're a basket of deplorables."
If they felt she was saying they were a basket of deplorables, it was because they did not fit in the other basket, of those who felt that they hadn't been served well by previous administrations and were looking to improve themselves.

But I'm sure they would have voted for her if not that for that statement, right?
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One reason is that he ran on the oldest, simplest of political promises: "If you vote for me, I will make your life better," and the people who felt left behind and left out by a changing economy believed him. His clueless opponent told those people "You're a basket of deplorables."
Adjust that to "If you vote for me, I will make life worse for the people who you think wronged you."
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To me, Trump's ideology isn't so incredibly extreme that I find it unacceptable. I don't agree with it, but it doesn't make my skin crawl. It's his attitude, his manners, his general embracing of anti-intellectualism. I contrast Donald Trump with Jack Kennedy sometimes. I feel like Donald Trump is "We are entitled to greatness because we are Americans", where Jack Kennedy was more, "We are obligated to be great, because we are Americans."

I don't remember Kennedy, and I'm sure the real Kennedy wasn't as good as the sound bites, but we really need someone like that now.
When the cameras were off, was Kennedy actually a good man though? I hear what you are saying about the way Trump comes across, and I can empathise with your reaction. But plenty of terrible people know how to put on a suit and can make a good speech about hope and change. They do that because it appeals to the prejudices, fears, desires and expectations of their audience. Is the presentation really that important?
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I agree with a lot of this.



On this point, though, I disagree. Where I grew up at least, racism was pretty common, and a lot more than is acceptable now And sexism and homophobia were just normal. (I was born in 62, graduated high school 40 years ago) I was a liberal, so I occasionally objected when people complained about (insert the N word here), but I wasn't too vocal about it, because that could be kind of dangerous. I think there was a lot more racism then, at least in small town Illinois, but it wasn't a whole lot different when I went of to a University where there were a lot more city and suburban folk, in a lot more cosmopolitan atmosphere.

To me, Trump's ideology isn't so incredibly extreme that I find it unacceptable. I don't agree with it, but it doesn't make my skin crawl. It's his attitude, his manners, his general embracing of anti-intellectualism. I contrast Donald Trump with Jack Kennedy sometimes. I feel like Donald Trump is "We are entitled to greatness because we are Americans", where Jack Kennedy was more, "We are obligated to be great, because we are Americans."

I don't remember Kennedy, and I'm sure the real Kennedy wasn't as good as the sound bites, but we really need someone like that now.
I didn't say that it wasn't common. There are two key differences between that era and today.

In 1980:

1. There were no national media outlets that portrayed it as normal and acceptable.

2. Many people who had those beliefs knew that those beliefs were unacceptable, and they kept it to themselves. Some, of course, did not, but they were generally portrayed in the media as outliers.

In 2020:

1. There are national media outlets that portray it as acceptable, often claiming the false equivalency that it's no different than the beliefs and behavior of liberals. Indeed, many national media outlets claim that these kind of beliefs and behaviors are necessary to "save America."

2. Individuals who harbor these beliefs find their beliefs justified by the large numbers of like-minded individuals on social media. They get the idea that these beliefs are commonplace and acceptable, and that they themselves are not outliers but in fact a majority.

I think it's difficult to make a case that America's standards for decency and morality haven't fallen in the last 40 years. They've collapsed almost completely. People are more openly embracing bad standards.
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Adjust that to "If you vote for me, I will make life worse for the people who you think wronged you."
Exactly.

After seeing the display yesterday from Trump supporters protesting people trying to save their lives, any lingering shred of doubt that I had regarding their motives has evaporated.

Despite the BS they’ve been shoveling for the last decade or more, there is no defining or consistent principle that drives these people. They’ve proven themselves hypocrites at every turn.

These people are driven by fear and hatred, pure and simple.
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Adjust that to "If you vote for me, I will make life worse for the people who you think wronged you."

Yeah, there was that too.

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I didn't say that it wasn't common. There are two key differences between that era and today.

In 1980:

1. There were no national media outlets that portrayed it as normal and acceptable.

2. Many people who had those beliefs knew that those beliefs were unacceptable, and they kept it to themselves. Some, of course, did not, but they were generally portrayed in the media as outliers.

In 2020:

1. There are national media outlets that portray it as acceptable, often claiming the false equivalency that it's no different than the beliefs and behavior of liberals. Indeed, many national media outlets claim that these kind of beliefs and behaviors are necessary to "save America."

2. Individuals who harbor these beliefs find their beliefs justified by the large numbers of like-minded individuals on social media. They get the idea that these beliefs are commonplace and acceptable, and that they themselves are not outliers but in fact a majority.

I think it's difficult to make a case that America's standards for decency and morality haven't fallen in the last 40 years. They've collapsed almost completely.
Different country, I know... but in the UK the Black and White minstrel show was airing in the UK until 1978 on the BBC. I struggle to believe that any western country is a more racist place now than it was in 1980.
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If they felt she was saying they were a basket of deplorables, it was because they did not fit in the other basket, of those who felt that they hadn't been served well by previous administrations and were looking to improve themselves.

But I'm sure they would have voted for her if not that for that statement, right?

Probably not, but some might have been less motivated to say "I'll show you!" and vote for Trump.
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Old 17th April 2020, 08:08 AM   #389
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These people are driven by fear and hatred, pure and simple.
It sounds like you fear and hate them.
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Different country, I know... but in the UK the Black and White minstrel show was airing in the UK until 1978 on the BBC. I struggle to believe that any western country is a more racist place now than it was in 1980.
It certainly seems much more acceptable to express openly racist opinions than it was back in 1980.

That's not to say that such opinions didn't exist and were merely unexpressed and of course it may be that the issue is that the internet and social media gives a tiny number of racists far better reach than they had back then.

40 years ago it was just a handful of misfits in a pub. Now it's groups of misfits banding together and broadcasting their opinions, which are then picked up by the mainstream press.

Maybe people are indeed less racist, some forms of institutional racism have been directly addressed in the UK, but BAME people still seem to suffer disproportionately from educational, financial, and health inequalities in the UK.
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Old 17th April 2020, 08:23 AM   #391
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When the cameras were off, was Kennedy actually a good man though? I hear what you are saying about the way Trump comes across, and I can empathise with your reaction. But plenty of terrible people know how to put on a suit and can make a good speech about hope and change. They do that because it appeals to the prejudices, fears, desires and expectations of their audience. Is the presentation really that important?
From what I have read of Kennedy, I think he was a good man when the cameras were off. Obviously, I don't know. Famously, he wasn't faithful to his wife, so if that's something that you think matters, that is a flaw, but generally, I don't think he was a bad guy.

Trump is a bad guy, even when the cameras are on. Narcissistic, lying, puts himself above anyone else, and surrounds himself with sycophants, getting rid of anyone who challenges him.

Maybe Kennedy was only good when the cameras were rolling, but I'd settle for that. If you can't even be good when you're on stage, there's no hope that you'll be good when no one is looking.
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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
It sounds like you fear and hate them.
I hate their ignorance and selfishness and fear that they’re going to get people killed because of it.
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From what I have read of Kennedy, I think he was a good man when the cameras were off. Obviously, I don't know. Famously, he wasn't faithful to his wife, so if that's something that you think matters, that is a flaw, but generally, I don't think he was a bad guy.
I think it goes a little deeper than that "[Kennedy] wasn't faithful to his wife"]. For myself I don't expect psychologically good, normal people to run countries. If one did, they'd be no good at it.

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Trump is a bad guy, even when the cameras are on. Narcissistic, lying, puts himself above anyone else, and surrounds himself with sycophants, getting rid of anyone who challenges him.
Is your moral judgement of him as a person the most important thing, or the outcomes in terms on enacted policies and their consequences? The former is certainly very entertaining, but is it actually important?

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Maybe Kennedy was only good when the cameras were rolling, but I'd settle for that. If you can't even be good when you're on stage, there's no hope that you'll be good when no one is looking.
You don't think there is a certain kind of honesty in Trumps approach of "saying the quiet part loud"?
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I hate their ignorance and selfishness and fear that they’re going to get people killed because of it.
Everybody has a story for why the hate and fear that motivates them is justified.
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Everybody has a story for why the hate and fear that motivates them is justified.
My story is that idiots are putting all of our lives at risk with their stupid and reckless behavior.

What’s the story for these people you seem to want to defend?
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It certainly seems much more acceptable to express openly racist opinions than it was back in 1980.
I strongly suspect that is due to who you were hanging around with back then. I can remember teachers behaving in ways/saying things that would have them thrown out of the profession today.

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That's not to say that such opinions didn't exist and were merely unexpressed and of course it may be that the issue is that the internet and social media gives a tiny number of racists far better reach than they had back then.
This is certainly true.

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40 years ago it was just a handful of misfits in a pub. Now it's groups of misfits banding together and broadcasting their opinions, which are then picked up by the mainstream press.
I think this really depends what you mean. If you are talking about people whose worldview is defined by race, and want to be active about it... then I'm sure it was a relatively small group that probably finds it easier to connect now. The background level of everyday racism though seems to me like it was much more common then.

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Maybe people are indeed less racist, some forms of institutional racism have been directly addressed in the UK, but BAME people still seem to suffer disproportionately from educational, financial, and health inequalities in the UK.
Maybe? The reason we are talking about institutional racism and micro-aggressions now is because actual racism has massively declined. Imagine what would happen if somebody tried to put the Black and White Minstrels on the BBC today?
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It sounds like you fear and hate them.
That just sounds like a new minor variation on someone not understanding the paradox of tolerance.
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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
I think it goes a little deeper than that "[Kennedy] wasn't faithful to his wife"]. For myself I don't expect psychologically good, normal people to run countries. If one did, they'd be no good at it.
Well, certainly presidents are not "normal" or "average".

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Is your moral judgement of him as a person the most important thing, or the outcomes in terms on enacted policies and their consequences? The former is certainly very entertaining, but is it actually important?
I think the former leads to the latter.

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You don't think there is a certain kind of honesty in Trumps approach of "saying the quiet part loud"?
There's a certain transparency on people with no filter, but it isn't honesty with Trump. It's just impulsiveness. He has no regard for the truth. Reality is expected to bend to his will. Trump isn't a phony. What you see is what you get, and I wouldn't say that about every politician or every president. What you see is the real deal with Trump. And it's ugly.
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My story is that idiots are putting all of our lives at risk with their stupid and reckless behavior.
Do you mean the people protesting? I imagine some of them are concerned that rights are being infringed with very little thought, and in some cases to very little purpose. Wasn't there a state that was banning drive through Easter services, I think at the same time as drive through liquor stores were still allowed? It's not like there aren't lots of examples of official overreach if its the sort of thing one is interested in. In the UK police were threatening to search peoples shopping baskets in case they bought something non-essential with their essential purchases.
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Maybe? The reason we are talking about institutional racism and micro-aggressions now is because actual racism has massively declined. Imagine what would happen if somebody tried to put the Black and White Minstrels on the BBC today?
Have you ever noticed that you never see "Holiday Inn" at Christmas anymore? (In case there are youngster's in the audience, "Holiday Inn" is the movie where the song "White Christmas" appeared, sung by Bing Crosby.

I wondered about that. I figured it was just an old fashioned movie, gone out of style, but there were other oldies that appeared at Christmas. Then I remembered, there's a blackface scene in it. It wouldn't be acceptable today.

In general, I absolutely agree that there was a lot more racism then. I'm puzzled that anyone could think any differently. I can remember "****** lover" being used as an insult, among people who were pretty much normal folks. Today, it's censored (as you can no doubt see in the asterisks in the previous sentence.)

Remember Archie Bunker? He was portrayed as old fashioned and dimwitted, but he was not portrayed as a bad person, because he was pretty normal. He was portrayed as a good man who was mired in a time of ignorance, but he was not portrayed as a bad man.
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