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Old 5th May 2020, 09:45 AM   #41
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A First Lady is not a political position; besides being the Chief's squeeze, it's basically acting as. spokesperson and advocate for a platform cause. Is there any issue with saying she will 'forever' use her notoriety to push those agendas? Seems reasonable to me.
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Old 5th May 2020, 09:52 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
A 'not' quote for your consideration:
I mean, a story like this, I have two main interests:

One, did it really happen?

Two, is there a relatively neutral source?

Once I'd covered those two important points, most of my remaining interest was figuring out the lack of masks. Good thing I noticed the date stamp in the URL, or I'd be really embarrassed right now.
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Old 5th May 2020, 09:53 AM   #43
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A First Lady is not a political position; besides being the Chief's squeeze, it's basically acting as. spokesperson and advocate for a platform cause. Is there any issue with saying she will 'forever' use her notoriety to push those agendas? Seems reasonable to me.
That makes sense. I'll revise my opinion of the remark.
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Old 5th May 2020, 09:58 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
A First Lady is not a political position; besides being the Chief's squeeze, it's basically acting as. spokesperson and advocate for a platform cause. Is there any issue with saying she will 'forever' use her notoriety to push those agendas? Seems reasonable to me.
To be honest, previous politicians exiting the white house to retire into cushy lecture circuit gigs is probably good. once you hit the top ring, you are out. It's when you get former top-dogs throwing their weight around in the political ring when you have problems. I'm looking at your, Bush family dynasty and Clintons.


If the Obama's legacy is them going around doing fluff gigs, I'd consider us lucky. The people suggesting that Michelle should be POTUS or some other nonsense make me cringe.

Jimmy Carter is the model ex-president.
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Old 5th May 2020, 10:03 AM   #45
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Well, if the issue actually is "mildly amusing" and/or "silly", then I fail to see what you started this thread to begin with.
Mostly just the novelty of the idea of a "forever first lady".

Like a forever partner:

https://www.google.com/search?q=fore...orever+partner

Which is not how I normally think of presidents and their spouses. I tend to think of them as essentially transient phenomena.

I guess it's not that weird, though. I bet a lot of people thought of Jackie Kennedy as their political BFF for life. And you'd think the UKians had lost an actual monarch, the way they reacted to Lady Diana's tragic death.
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Old 5th May 2020, 10:08 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...le-university/

(Note: This was two years ago, which is why the auditorium is packed and nobody is wearing a face mask.)
I really don't care. Do you?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Mostly just the novelty of the idea of a "forever first lady".

Like a forever partner:

https://www.google.com/search?q=fore...orever+partner

Which is not how I normally think of presidents and their spouses. I tend to think of them as essentially transient phenomena.

I guess it's not that weird, though. I bet a lot of people thought of Jackie Kennedy as their political BFF for life. And you'd think the UKians had lost an actual monarch, the way they reacted to Lady Diana's tragic death.
OK then.

Thanks much for the clarification.
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Old 5th May 2020, 10:12 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
That makes sense. I'll revise my opinion of the remark.
OT but really should be said: you are one of less than half a dozen posters I can think of that modifies their position with discussion, and acknowledges it. Kudos
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Old 5th May 2020, 10:40 AM   #49
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OT but really should be said: you are one of less than half a dozen posters I can think of that modifies their position with discussion, and acknowledges it. Kudos
Thanks. I probably don't do it as much or as often as I should, but on occasion I do try. Low stakes issues like this one are pretty easy.
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Old 5th May 2020, 10:44 AM   #50
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I really don't care. Do you?
Already addressed. Obviously I care a little bit, otherwise I wouldn't have started the thread. The theme and scope of my caring are covered in the thread so far

And obviously you really do care, enough to post anyway (but not enough to read the page and a half and get the answer to your question).

The people who really don't care are the ones who saw the thread and dismissed it.
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Didn't Trump suggest being a President (him) forever, until death?
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Rent free.
Said the person dragging up a video of a former First Lady from last decade.
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Old 5th May 2020, 11:05 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Already addressed. Obviously I care a little bit, otherwise I wouldn't have started the thread. The theme and scope of my caring are covered in the thread so far

And obviously you really do care, enough to post anyway (but not enough to read the page and a half and get the answer to your question).

The people who really don't care are the ones who saw the thread and dismissed it.
If you have to explain it........
But, anyway-

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/13/polit...o-u/index.html
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Said the person dragging up a video of a former First Lady from last decade.
At least I've managed to stay on topic.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
At least I've managed to stay on topic.
You've missed a couple of references because of your ignorance about the current First Lady. But then you don't think First Lady is particularly important enough to pay attention to...which then raises the question of why then you felt the need to talk about Michelle Obama.

Which is it: are First Ladies worth attention or not? If so, then why don't you seem to know the rather famous things Mrs Trump has been in the news for? If not, then why does what Mrs Obama say merit a thread?

The answer seems to be that First Ladies only matter when they are Mrs Obama. Which is why I implied that "rent free" business applies to you.
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You've missed a couple of references because of your ignorance about the current First Lady. But then you don't think First Lady is particularly important enough to pay attention to...which then raises the question of why then you felt the need to talk about Michelle Obama.

Which is it: are First Ladies worth attention or not? If so, then why don't you seem to know the rather famous things Mrs Trump has been in the news for? If not, then why does what Mrs Obama say merit a thread?

The answer seems to be that First Ladies only matter when they are Mrs Obama. Which is why I implied that "rent free" business applies to you.
Missed? Or dismissed?

We all have squatters we'd like to evict, I suppose. I'm sure there's a Melania thread around here somewhere, if that's what makes you dance the Fortnite dance.*

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My kids watch the show, "The Masked Singer." One of the performers on the show this year was Sarah Palin.

You know what they called her? "Governor Sarah Palin." Because once she was the Governor of Alaska, so now she always get called by that title. She didn't correct anyone calling her that.

I think in 2 years, I should pull up footage of that and whine about how she was willing to be called Governor despite not holding that position for 12 years.
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My kids watch the show, "The Masked Singer." One of the performers on the show this year was Sarah Palin.

You know what they called her? "Governor Sarah Palin." Because once she was the Governor of Alaska, so now she always get called by that title. She didn't correct anyone calling her that.

I think in 2 years, I should pull up footage of that and whine about how she was willing to be called Governor despite not holding that position for 12 years.
You think it's more of a "first lady emeritus" thing, than a "still the first lady in your hearts" thing? I could see that.
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
My kids watch the show, "The Masked Singer." One of the performers on the show this year was Sarah Palin.

You know what they called her? "Governor Sarah Palin." Because once she was the Governor of Alaska, so now she always get called by that title. She didn't correct anyone calling her that.

I think in 2 years, I should pull up footage of that and whine about how she was willing to be called Governor despite not holding that position for 12 years.
That sounds about right.

After all, years after he resigned in disgrace, Nixon was still called President Nixon. And during his funeral, there was such an outpouring of phony sympathy.
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That sounds about right.

After all, years after he resigned in disgrace, Nixon was still called President Nixon. And during his funeral, there was such an outpouring of phony sympathy.
Nixon did not, however, run around telling his fans that he was still their "forever President". There's a difference between the customary retention of a title after leaving high office, and intentionally continuing to play the role in people's hearts and minds.

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Nixon did not, however, run around telling his fans that he was still their "forever President".
Is your years old article supposed to support the idea that Michelle Obama is still running around telling that specific group of supporters that she is their forever First Lady?


Man, remember when the OP claimed he didn't care about this incident? Why do you care so much about it when even he doesn't?
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Most of my interest was in trying to figure out why she was talking to a roomful of people without masks.
Which you figured out before hitting Submit when creating the OP of the thread. Were you just reporting that you were confused but now you aren't?

If so, I have ton more threads I could have been starting this whole time.
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Which you figured out before hitting Submit when creating the OP of the thread. Were you just reporting that you were confused but now you aren't?
Already addressed.
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Already addressed.
Was it?

Looks like you just dropped the idea that most of your interest was in trying to figure out why she was talking to a roomful of people without masks, even though you clearly already knew why before you finished the OP.

I missed the explanation.
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The people who really don't care are the ones who saw the thread and dismissed it.
Or people like me who lurk and read it because the pointlessness of this particular argument is something I find humorous.


Disclaimer: My humor has become a fair bit darker after eight weeks of social distancing.
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Is your years old article supposed to support the idea that Michelle Obama is still running around telling that specific group of supporters that she is their forever First Lady?
Yeah, I don't get this.

I'm not American, but even I know that in America, it is very common for people in high positions to be referred to by their title long after they have retired or left the position. When people talk to Bill Clinton or Dubya, or Obama, they still use the honorific "Mr President" . Retired Generals and Admirals are referred to by their former rank, and former State Governors are addressed as "Governor". Just this morning I watched an interview with John Brennan, the former Director of the CIA. The interviewer, Nicole Wallace, addressed him as "Director Brennan"

I'm not seeing what the problem is calling Michelle Obama Madam First Lady, when her husband is still called Mr President.
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On the other hand, it is probably just as mildly amusing now as it was two years ago.

Anyway, here's hoping Melania never says something this silly.
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Time well spent.
Sigh. What else is there to do? Most of us are stuck at home and getting crazier from boredom. Jesus Christ, I never thought I'd say this, but I really want to just go to a mall and walk around stores! I haven't done that voluntarily in decades! Hell, I'm willing to go to IKEA.
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Or people like me who lurk and read it because the pointlessness of this particular argument is something I find humorous.


Disclaimer: My humor has become a fair bit darker after eight weeks of social distancing.
I can definitely relate on both counts. It's not a consequential debate at all.
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Sigh. What else is there to do? Most of us are stuck at home and getting crazier from boredom. Jesus Christ, I never thought I'd say this, but I really want to just go to a mall and walk around stores! I haven't done that voluntarily in decades! Hell, I'm willing to go to IKEA.
Are you still allowed outside, in your region?

I've been walking around downtown, and it's really fun. Also a little weird.
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Sigh. What else is there to do? Most of us are stuck at home and getting crazier from boredom. Jesus Christ, I never thought I'd say this, but I really want to just go to a mall and walk around stores! I haven't done that voluntarily in decades! Hell, I'm willing to go to IKEA.

Dear gawd man, don't do it! There's only so many Scandi-Mod throw cushions one can fit in on one's bed.
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Nixon did not, however, run around telling his fans that he was still their "forever President". There's a difference between the customary retention of a title after leaving high office, and intentionally continuing to play the role in people's hearts and minds.
Hey genius!

Michelle Obama did not call herself "America's Forever First Lady".

If you actually read your own citation then you could see the name of the person who used that term.
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Are you still allowed outside, in your region?

I've been walking around downtown, and it's really fun. Also a little weird.

We can walk around outside as long as we "social distance", but I haven't been bothering. My state is "open" now, but my city is not (they're thinking easing back into normal life starting May 18, announced today with details to follow).
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Does I do count?
No more so than "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country".
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Hey genius!

Michelle Obama did not call herself "America's Forever First Lady".

If you actually read your own citation then you could see the name of the person who used that term.
He used it first, she picked it up and also used it.

Does it change anything for you, that this idea wasn't original to her, it was just an idea she liked and ran with?
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In the Second Age, in Eregion, Obamabrimbor did forge the Rings of Power, and Michelle, mightiest of the Noldor women, took one that she might preserve a realm and be Forever First Lady. But she knew that eventually her efforts would fail, for when Trumpon inevitably fell the power of the rings would die out. And she would pass, diminished, back to the West, to Chicago, and a lucrative lecture circuit.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
In the Second Age, in Eregion, Obamabrimbor did forge the Rings of Power, and Michelle, mightiest of the Noldor women, took one that she might preserve a realm and be Forever First Lady. But she knew that eventually her efforts would fail, for when Trumpon inevitably fell the power of the rings would die out. And she would pass, diminished, back to the West, to Chicago, and a lucrative lecture circuit.
Does Michelle Obama have pointy ears?
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