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Old 16th May 2020, 05:38 PM   #1
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What age would you use to characterize Trump's behaviou?

In a great many posts I've seen Donald Trump called a "toddler." I haven't raised any kids myself, so I'm not qualified to pass a judgement on this. But I'm curious how parents here on the forum view him.

For those here who have raised children, preferably all the way to adulthood or mid-teens, given what we've seen of how Donald Trump conducts himself on television, in interviews, and on Twitter, as well as stories coming out of the White House, what age would you ascribe to Trump's overall behaviour? Toddler? Spioled eight year old? Tween? Emotional or even responsible teenager? Examples from your own child raising experience would be interesting.
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Old 16th May 2020, 05:50 PM   #2
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I've not raised any kids either, but am thinking four or five years old. He's like the little kid who holds his breath until he turns blue. Or orange.
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Old 16th May 2020, 05:59 PM   #3
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I've got 2 boys, 11 and 9.

Neither of them have acted this way at any point of their lives so far.
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It depends. I've seen him behave like a toddler and like a middle school playground bully. He's got quite the range.

I'd say he has the emotional maturity of a 10-12 year old.
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Old 16th May 2020, 06:21 PM   #5
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It depends. I've seen him behave like a toddler and like a middle school playground bully. He's got quite the range.

I'd say he has the emotional maturity of a 10-12 year old.
Agree with this.
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There are zygotes that are more emotionally mature than Trump.
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He is a 73 year-old narcissist with Daddy issues and and an unhealthy sexual obsession with his daughter Ivanka. From his own lips he claims his mother doted on him, but his relationship with his father appears to be more troubled.

Still, he has led a life of privilege, with everything handed to him unearned, and thus its value unappreciated. Despite multiple failures, he continued on, preying on the naive largess of some willing to lend him money despite an abysmal track record. He failed at owning a casino which suggests he is horrifically inept, or unlucky in the manner in which Michael Corleone suggested to Moe Green. He has successfully marketed his name, but little else, and now that name is much devalued throughout the world.

In the end, he is an adolescent occupying a senior citizen's body, seeking retribution for grievances; a mopish, teenage pseudo-hard guy occupying the highest office in the United States, the holder once seen by some as the leader of the free world. But no longer as the rest of the world save 44% of American voters see this self-absorbed nitwit as he is: a hollow dry husk of a human being who's only goal is to be adored, if only by nitwits like himself. Also, maybe a shot at Ivanka.
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Banging a pornstar, eating fast food, two scoops of ice-cream for me, one for you, mocking appearances and disabilities. Every day concerned about how's perceived in the news and social media. He's a teenager.

I agree that he's been very lucky in life, and I know that his supporters will blanch at that sentiment. There are people who eat healthily and exercise regularly, and they die in their fifties. There are people who grift, and the law catches them early and often. There's no such thing as a karma (Jimmy Saville got away with his crimes), but if Trump lives five, ten or twenty more years, it could all catch up to him. And I hope it does.
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Banging a pornstar, eating fast food, two scoops of ice-cream for me, one for you, mocking appearances and disabilities. Every day concerned about how's perceived in the news and social media. He's a teenager.

I agree that he's been very lucky in life, and I know that his supporters will blanch at that sentiment. There are people who eat healthily and exercise regularly, and they die in their fifties. There are people who grift, and the law catches them early and often. There's no such thing as a karma (Jimmy Saville got away with his crimes), but if Trump lives five, ten or twenty more years, it could all catch up to him. And I hope it does.
Very lucky in life...it sure helps when you're born into wealth. Being a millionaire at four certainly doesn't hurt. And having a daddy who can give you a 'small' loan of a million dollars in the 70's ain't no small bag of beans. It's the equivalent of $6.8 million today.

I hope it all catches up with him very, very soon. Like before Nov.
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He's an emotional 14 year old, an intellectual 8 year old, both stuck in a fantasy nostalgia version of the 1950s.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
He's an emotional 14 year old, an intellectual 8 year old, both stuck in a fantasy nostalgia version of the 1950s.
You're being generous.
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I've got 2 boys, 11 and 9.

Neither of them have acted this way at any point of their lives so far.
Interesting. I can actually believe this: some kids just seem to be nice. However, they've never thrown temper tantrums? Hit his brother and then blamed him for starting a fight? Never been caught with their hand in a cookie jar and tried to lie their way out of it? Never broken something and tried to blame someone else for it? If that's the case, we seriously need more parents like you.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
He's an emotional 14 year old, an intellectual 8 year old, both stuck in a fantasy nostalgia version of the 1950s.
I'm pretty sure Twitter's terms of service prevent people under from signing up, but I wonder if there are actual 8 to 10 year olds sending out tweets. It would be interesting to compare them to the stuff Trump sends out.
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I'm pretty sure Twitter's terms of service prevent people under from signing up, but I wonder if there are actual 8 to 10 year olds sending out tweets. It would be interesting to compare them to the stuff Trump sends out.
Trump probably lied about his age. Because why not.
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Two years old emotionally. Three years old depth of thinking and knowledge. Five years oldís vocabulary.
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He is a 73 year-old narcissist with Daddy issues and and an unhealthy sexual obsession with his daughter Ivanka. From his own lips he claims his mother doted on him, but his relationship with his father appears to be more troubled.

Still, he has led a life of privilege, with everything handed to him unearned, and thus its value unappreciated. Despite multiple failures, he continued on, preying on the naive largess of some willing to lend him money despite an abysmal track record. He failed at owning a casino which suggests he is horrifically inept, or unlucky in the manner in which Michael Corleone suggested to Moe Green. He has successfully marketed his name, but little else, and now that name is much devalued throughout the world.

In the end, he is an adolescent occupying a senior citizen's body, seeking retribution for grievances; a mopish, teenage pseudo-hard guy occupying the highest office in the United States, the holder once seen by some as the leader of the free world. But no longer as the rest of the world save 44% of American voters see this self-absorbed nitwit as he is: a hollow dry husk of a human being who's only goal is to be adored, if only by nitwits like himself. Also, maybe a shot at Ivanka.
By the time his casinos failed, he was deep in debt to foreign interests. The money he was given to buy (a stake in) them was not his own. It was widely known that Atlantic City was a clearinghouse for money-laundering. So it didn't matter a bit how profitable the casinos were, as long as the money went through them. Even to the point where his father turned up and bought a truckload of very expensive gambling chips to bail Donny out of one particularly dicey situation (perhaps Ivan "Bear-Strangler" Farkyuarpskiy decided he wanted Donny to give him his money back, I don't know).

I gather having a casino go bust and Donny wear the bankruptcy was part of some scam tax-avoidance scheme. I've had someone explain how as this is done as a US tax dodge, but forget the details right just now.

So as to business maturity, Donny is less cluey about how real businesses work than your average kid running a street-side lemonade stand. Maybe under 8 years old?
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Flawed question - frankly, the first problem is that he acts like a cartoon villain rather than a child of any age. Possibly some sort of mentally addled Lex Luthor, or possibly the Joker.
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Stone Age.

In the spirit of the OP, it changes day to day. Sometimes he reminds me of a 5 year old whose mommy won't buy him a toy. Sometimes a pubescent teen who constantly tells dumber and dumber lies because he thinks he's smarter than he is. I don't think he has a consistent personality out of many, but they all definitely think the world revolves around him.
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I don't think he can be given a mental age, just like an adult with Down Syndrome could not be assigned an age. Some of his thinking is underdeveloped, some is disordered, and some is rational.

For example, he can dress himself professionally and has his entire adult life. Compare that to Steve Jobs who could rarely be found in a suit once he got a little money. So, Trump has the capacity to understand societal expectations and conform to some of them.

Trump, however, defines his entire self-worth based on what he believes other people think of him. The more positive feedback he gets, the better he feels about himself. When confronted with negative feedback, he'll often lash out in great anger at his critics. He threatens lawsuits, he calls reporters nasty, and he punishes those he can by firing them just like every Inspector General under his control. This behavior is similar to a young teen of about 13 to 16. It's most similar to teen girls rather than boys.

But Trump can function sexually with at least some level of competence. He manages to convince a striking number of people to have sex with him willingly. And he's not exactly bad at it. None of his wives, no matter how much they dislike him, have ever mentioned otherwise. Even Stormy Daniels could only say that the sex was forgettable. This definitely is not the functioning of a 14 year-old boy. My own 14 year-old would pass out if a girl so much as said hello to him. It requires the confidence of at least a man in his 20's. When I was 24, I thought the only purpose in life was to get girls to sleep with you as strictly a numbers game.

Trump has not, it appears, moved out of that phase. He was still hitting it hard into his late 60's.

But then there are certain behaviors that skew much, much younger - his refusal to read or to do any work, his fondness for Sharpies, his limited vocabulary, and his massive fits of anger. These are all traits you would find in a 3 year-old up to maybe 6 or 7.

Trump's complete lack of empathy is similar to a baby of about 1 year. Empathy, science is discovering, begins to develop far earlier than was thought.

Thus, my answer is that Trump can't be assigned a mental age. He is a septuagenarian who is able to meet his basic life-needs. He clearly has some serious psychological and maybe neurological problems. Unfortunately, Trump is no longer a private citizen, so his stunted development has a huge impact on the whole world.
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There is a difference between mental age and emotional maturity. Mental age is equivalent to your IQ. So, yes, Trump can be assigned a mental age.

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Mental age, intelligence test score, expressed as the chronological age for which a given level of performance is average or typical. An individual’s mental age is then divided by his chronological age and multiplied by 100, yielding an intelligence quotient (IQ). Thus, a subject whose mental and chronological ages are identical has an IQ of 100, or average intelligence. However, if a 10-year-old has a mental age of 13, his IQ is 130, well above average. Since the average mental age of adults does not increase past age 18, an adult taking an IQ test is assigned the chronological age of 18.
Of course Trump can dress himself appropriately. So can a normal 13 year old.

Emotional age is the level of emotional maturity.

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Emotional maturity is a personality trait, the result of emotional development and the display of emotion appropriate to ones chronological age. it usually reflects increased emotional adjustment and emotional stability and the attainment of emotional self-regulation
No one is saying Trump has a low IQ/mental age. Of course he can dress himself appropriately. But his emotional maturity seems to be stuck in his adolescent years. This is why, as you say, his attitude toward women and sex seems more like that of an adolescent boy than an adult man. But that has nothing to do with his physical ability to perform as an adult vs. a boy. That has to do with experience and physical age.
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In 2016, Robert Reich thought that "Trumpís emotional age is under 7." I would narrow it down a little. His inability to even pretend to care about other people suffering and dying makes me say pre-school. His bleach idea also makes me say pre-school.
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For example, he can dress himself ...

Evidence?!
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. It's most similar to teen girls
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My take is that due to whatever diagnoses he has, it's hard to tell, like with the aforementioned people with Down's syndrome. It's hard to tell what's immaturity and what's conditions like NPD or other factors, or for that matter a show he puts on for the unwashed masses. When he has a tantrum when asked difficult questions, is it fragile ego, a disorder or disability, or a character he's trying to play? If a combination of the three, how strongly does each of them factor in? It's genuenly hard to tell with Trump.
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But Trump can function sexually with at least some level of competence. He manages to convince a striking number of people to have sex with him willingly. And he's not exactly bad at it. None of his wives, no matter how much they dislike him, have ever mentioned otherwise. Even Stormy Daniels could only say that the sex was forgettable. This definitely is not the functioning of a 14 year-old boy. My own 14 year-old would pass out if a girl so much as said hello to him. It requires the confidence of at least a man in his 20's. When I was 24, I thought the only purpose in life was to get girls to sleep with you as strictly a numbers game.
Incorrect.

Should read "Trump's apparent wealth manages to convince a striking number of people to have sex with him because there's potentially something in it for them."

Note that Ivanka hasn't come across yet...that we know of.
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The constant mental image I have of him is his leaning back in chair, arms crossed, head down, pouting. Like a 6-year-old who refuses to eat his broccoli.

So... 6.
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The question is about this guy, right?


I think Trump has the same ten-year-old's cartoony approach to being President of the U.S. as he apparently has to driving a truck. If you get the shudders imagining him driving that one thing at 70 mph on the interstate with you on it, the reality of him actually driving the other thing down the road, with all of us in it, should just make you scream in terror.
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Stone Age.

Youíre only saying that because, being extinct, the Neanderthals canít sue you.
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
In a great many posts I've seen Donald Trump called a "toddler." I haven't raised any kids myself, so I'm not qualified to pass a judgement on this. But I'm curious how parents here on the forum view him.

For those here who have raised children, preferably all the way to adulthood or mid-teens, given what we've seen of how Donald Trump conducts himself on television, in interviews, and on Twitter, as well as stories coming out of the White House, what age would you ascribe to Trump's overall behaviour? Toddler? Spioled eight year old? Tween? Emotional or even responsible teenager? Examples from your own child raising experience would be interesting.
Though I raised 3 sons, it is still a difficult question to answer. My sons got along with each other and their basic natures were not combative. Of course they sometimes argued, but always worked it out.

Trump seems at times to act like a 3 year old who desperately needs a nap. At other times a 6 year old who doesn't think he got as much soda as his sibling. He also acts like a young teenager who believes the world revolves around him and whatever he wants.

So, not one definitive age, but always a child. A spoiled, selfish, immature child.
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He is a 73 year-old narcissist with Daddy issues and and an unhealthy sexual obsession with his daughter Ivanka....
...Also, maybe a shot at Ivanka.
Ivanka is almost 40. That's too old for him. He likes them on the younger side.
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Interesting. I can actually believe this: some kids just seem to be nice. However, they've never thrown temper tantrums? Hit his brother and then blamed him for starting a fight? Never been caught with their hand in a cookie jar and tried to lie their way out of it? Never broken something and tried to blame someone else for it? If that's the case, we seriously need more parents like you.
There's a bit of a range between NEVER doing something, and it being someone's full time behaviour pattern. I mean, forget children, even adults occasionally throw a tantrum or say something horribly inapropriate or pass the blame or act entitled. I know I have before. The difference is basically: how occasionally?
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Incorrect.

Should read "Trump's apparent wealth manages to convince a striking number of people to have sex with him because there's potentially something in it for them."

Note that Ivanka hasn't come across yet...that we know of.
I think that's far more likely than not.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but does anyone remember ever hearing of, much less actually seeing, a former president throw a temper tantrum? I don't remember ever seeing a former POTUS calling a reporter 'nasty' or telling them they're "horrible reporters" and the like. I've never seen a former POTUS behave like a spoiled child whereas it's a regular pattern for Trump.
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In answer to the question in the OP:
Stone. Or Dark.
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Trump himself has said that his personality hasn't changed since the first grade. So 5 or 6 years old.
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Trump himself has said that his personality hasn't changed since the first grade. So 5 or 6 years old.
That needs to be added to the
"Trump's honest and accurate statements: The Top Ten" thread.
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Trump himself has said that his personality hasn't changed since the first grade. So 5 or 6 years old.
I'd say there's a difference between personality and maturity. I still have much the same personality I had when I was in grade school. I typically score as a Meyers-Briggs INTJ (for what it's worth): introverted, thing-oriented instead of people-oriented, thinking instead of "perceiving". I hope I've matured since then, though.
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Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
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Trump, however, defines his entire self-worth based on what he believes other people think of him. The more positive feedback he gets, the better he feels about himself. When confronted with negative feedback, he'll often lash out in great anger at his critics. He threatens lawsuits, he calls reporters nasty, and he punishes those he can by firing them just like every Inspector General under his control. This behavior is similar to a young teen of about 13 to 16. It's most similar to teen girls rather than boys.
Fortunately, we've been spared the angst-filled poetry!
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