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Old 14th September 2020, 12:10 PM   #881
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Old 14th September 2020, 12:42 PM   #882
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After a few weeks of observation I think I’ve figured out the rules about wearing face coverings on public transport.

You must wear a face covering unless:

You are medically exempt
You are eating or drinking
You are making a phone call
You are checking your emails
You are sending a text
You are taking a selfie
You are talking to the person next to you
You are talking to a person at the other end of the bus
You are applying makeup
You are getting off at the next stop
You got on at the last stop
You have a cigarette in your mouth
You are reading a newspaper
You don’t want to.

NB: It is not necessary for the face covering to cover the face.
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Old 14th September 2020, 03:25 PM   #883
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The government's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance has said he was rebuked for arguing strongly in favour of imposing Covid lockdown restrictions earlier this year, it has emerged.

In an email uncovered by a BBC Freedom of Information request, Sir Patrick reveals he was given a "telling off" from other senior officials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54150538
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
The government's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance has said he was rebuked for arguing strongly in favour of imposing Covid lockdown restrictions earlier this year, it has emerged.

In an email uncovered by a BBC Freedom of Information request, Sir Patrick reveals he was given a "telling off" from other senior officials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54150538
I am on the rebuker's side here. Scientists should present the science and government should make the decisions.

Science predicts how much lock down measures will slow the spread. It is then for the Government to decide how many people they are prepared to let die.

The Government previously tried to blame the scientists for our poor handling. Let's not lose sight of where responsibilities for decisions lie.
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Old 15th September 2020, 09:53 AM   #885
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Matt Hancock assures us that the testing problems will be fixed in weeks.

Presumably that's the UK government's version of President Trump's two weeks
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Old 16th September 2020, 12:51 AM   #886
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Matt Hancock assures us that the testing problems will be fixed in weeks.

Presumably that's the UK government's version of President Trump's two weeks
Well, if recent history has proven anything it's that a disease that's spreading exponentially can't really spread very much in a few weeks...
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Old 16th September 2020, 01:13 AM   #887
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Well, if recent history has proven anything it's that a disease that's spreading exponentially can't really spread very much in a few weeks...
Well tbh if people cannot get Coronovirus tests, then the number of confirmed Coronavirus cases will tend to drop - job done !

Of course, as Darat and others have pointed out repeatedly, this has nothing at all to do with actually controlling the pandemic, looking after the UK populace or protecting the national interest - it's about generating positive press coverage
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Old 16th September 2020, 01:27 AM   #888
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According to today's Times headline, Coronavirus rates are increasing in the middle-aged, not just children

The rates among 40-49 years old (that's not middle aged, that's young ) is 23/100,000, about where young people were 3 weeks ago.

50,000 Covid deaths this winter ? 100,000 ?
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Old 16th September 2020, 01:34 AM   #889
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The lack of testing will likely impact on the UK Government's plans to keep schools open:

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Keeping schools open in the UK will become "unsustainable" if issues with testing capacity in the country are not fixed, a union leader has warned.

Geoff Barton, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), told the Today programme headteachers were being forced to decide that the "bubble has to stay at home" if a pupil or teacher in a year group had shown Covid-19 symptoms and could not get a test to prove they were negative.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

A friend who is a secondary school teacher in Gloucestershire said that the school is allowed to buy a handful of tests every couple of weeks and then allocates them as they see fit - not really a good solution for a school with over a thousand students.
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According to today's Times headline, Coronavirus rates are increasing in the middle-aged, not just children

The rates among 40-49 years old (that's not middle aged, that's young ) is 23/100,000, about where young people were 3 weeks ago.
It's almost as if the younger lot caught the virus and have ended up transmitting it to parents and older work colleagues.
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UK small companies win victory in Covid insurance test case

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About 370,000 firms are affected by the judgment and should hear from their insurer within the next week, according to the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA). It had previously estimated the value of policies affected by the test case at about £1.2bn.
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Another Welsh area on lockdown. This time one of those hit earliest back in March and April.

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A second county in Wales will go into lockdown because of the rate of coronavirus cases.

The 240,000 people living in Rhondda Cynon Taff will have restrictions imposed on their daily lives.

From 18:00 BST on Thursday, people will not be able to enter or leave the area without a reasonable excuse, such as travel for work or education.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54093100

At least the pubs are still open albeit on 1980's hours

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All licensed premises will have to shut at 23:00 every day, once the lockdown comes into effect.
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Despicable, shameful racists, not allowing people to travel anywhere they want in the middle of a public health emergancy...
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Old 16th September 2020, 07:36 AM   #895
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Unsurprisingly, another Boris Johnson Covid initiative is left in tatters:

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The widespread introduction of Covid marshals to towns and cities in England is "unlikely" and "almost impossible", some local authorities have said.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson suggested the marshals would enforce rules about social distancing, gathering in groups and wearing masks.

But a lack of detail has been criticised by council and health officials.

Questions about funding, recruitment and enforcement powers remain.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54162189

I guess that's what you get for making up policy on the spot as you go
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Watching channel 4 news. Frankfurt airport is testing 4000 people a day with a capacity for 20,000 and 60% returned within 12 hours & 100% with 24hours.
This country is a joke
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It's not a very funny joke when you're stuck in it, and particularly when you were told six years ago that you had to stay in it because you'd starve and be an international pariah if you aspired to anything better.
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Johnson is saying kids should stay at school until there's a positive test in their bubble

...which directly contradicts the advice that if you show symptoms you should isolate immediately.
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Old 16th September 2020, 09:07 AM   #899
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https://twitter.com/cononeilluk/stat...75829692907525

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So Hancock now says the reason you can't get tested for Covid is because it's a free test and thus oversubscribed .... you can however get tests if you pay for them .... do you see where they're going with this yet ? #BorisHasFailedTheNation
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Johnson is ..[/url]

...which directly contradicts
This sentence structure can be used at least 10 times a day.

Does anyone know what Boris actually believes in or thinks? He seems to be a completely empty vessel in terms of ideology. Its basically 'make money, shag birds, have a laugh' isn't it?
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Despicable, shameful racists, not allowing people to travel anywhere they want in the middle of a public health emergancy...
Not to worry you get to do a grand tour of the British Isles looking for a test centre if you need a test, so swings and roundabouts and all that
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North East regions going in to lockdown.
Measures are set to be announced tomorrow, and will apply from just after midnight on Friday morning.

Restrictions are likely to include a ban on socialising with anyone from a different household and a 10pm curfew on pubs.

Newcastle, Northumberland, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshead, County Durham and Sunderland are all expected to be included.

GPs in the North East have been briefed on the imminent lockdown this weekend.
I think we are all gradually moving to lockdown, area by area and region by region, so that Johnson doesn’t have to say the words - lockdown two.
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Old 16th September 2020, 01:20 PM   #904
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
North East regions going in to lockdown.
Measures are set to be announced tomorrow, and will apply from just after midnight on Friday morning.

Restrictions are likely to include a ban on socialising with anyone from a different household and a 10pm curfew on pubs.

Newcastle, Northumberland, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshead, County Durham and Sunderland are all expected to be included.

GPs in the North East have been briefed on the imminent lockdown this weekend.
I think we are all gradually moving to lockdown, area by area and region by region, so that Johnson doesn’t have to say the words - lockdown two.

Link?
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Boris Johnson just said he “doesn't recognise" the “moonshot” target of 10 million tests a day, which he announced live on national television last week.
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Boris Johnson just said he “doesn't recognise" the “moonshot” target of 10 million tests a day, which he announced live on national television last week.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-of-ignorance

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Moments later, he denied to Meg Hillier having any knowledge of ever promising Operation Moonshot that would deliver 10m tests a day that delivered results in just 20 minutes. Hold that thought. We have a prime minister who can’t remember having committed his government to spending £100bn live on TV a week earlier.
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BBC reporting NE lockdowns now too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-54166256
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Is anyone running a book on how soon the government help line number for schools and nurseries will last once its up and running? I'm thinking about 30mins before it crashes.
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North East regions going in to lockdown.
Measures are set to be announced tomorrow, and will apply from just after midnight on Friday morning.

Restrictions are likely to include a ban on socialising with anyone from a different household and a 10pm curfew on pubs.

Newcastle, Northumberland, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshead, County Durham and Sunderland are all expected to be included.

GPs in the North East have been briefed on the imminent lockdown this weekend.
I think we are all gradually moving to lockdown, area by area and region by region, so that Johnson doesn’t have to say the words - lockdown two.
Does that include Barnard Castle?
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Maybe, it's in County Durham but very remote.
County Durham is a strange county, it includes industrial conurbations and remote market towns in the pennines. If they extend it to the whole county then yes.
Barnard castle has more in common with the Yorkshire dales than the rest of the county.
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People should speak to social distancing rule-breakers first before reporting them to police, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

In an interview with the Sun, Mr Johnson said he has "never much been in favour of sneak culture, myself".
It comes after his colleague, policing minister Kit Malthouse, called on people to report neighbours who were breaking the coronavirus "rule of six".
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People should speak to social distancing rule-breakers first before reporting them to police, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

In an interview with the Sun, Mr Johnson said he has "never much been in favour of sneak culture, myself".
It comes after his colleague, policing minister Kit Malthouse, called on people to report neighbours who were breaking the coronavirus "rule of six".
Oh sure, get yourself beaten up and/or get yourself labelled as the local busybody before involving the appropriate authority.

Again, on the hoof policies designed to attract positive headlines don't stand up to scrutiny in the cold light of day. Quelle surprise
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Does that include Barnard Castle?
As someone with ties to the town for nearly 50 years, it still tickles me to see it in the headlines
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People should speak to social distancing rule-breakers first before reporting them to police, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

In an interview with the Sun, Mr Johnson said he has "never much been in favour of sneak culture, myself".
It comes after his colleague, policing minister Kit Malthouse, called on people to report neighbours who were breaking the coronavirus "rule of six".
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Watching channel 4 news. Frankfurt airport is testing 4000 people a day with a capacity for 20,000 and 60% returned within 12 hours & 100% with 24hours.
This country is a joke
Perhaps Germany should also be a joke? Or maybe this is not a simple process?

"Coronavirus test mishap in Bavaria leaves 44,000 travelers on tenterhooks
Nine hundred people tested positive for coronavirus upon their return to the German state of Bavaria — but they don't know it yet. Data entry problems mean thousands are still waiting for their COVID-19 test results."

https://www.dw.com/en/bavaria-corona...est/a-54550380
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Watching channel 4 news. Frankfurt airport is testing 4000 people a day with a capacity for 20,000 and 60% returned within 12 hours & 100% with 24hours.
This country is a joke
Brilliant news! We can support our ailing airlines and get people tested, if you live in Bolton get to Ringway and get a return flight to Frankfurt.

It's going to be much quicker!
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The people behind the "20 minute" test said on LBC news that it referred to the lab time required and they were aiming for results within 48hrs. This point didn't stop it being referred to as a Twenty Minute Test in every news bulletin of course.
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People should speak to social distancing rule-breakers first before reporting them to police, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

In an interview with the Sun, Mr Johnson said he has "never much been in favour of sneak culture, myself".
It comes after his colleague, policing minister Kit Malthouse, called on people to report neighbours who were breaking the coronavirus "rule of six".
People who are always breaking the rules never are.
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