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Old 15th September 2020, 09:55 AM   #1121
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Old 15th September 2020, 10:19 AM   #1122
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And so far, not a peep from our Attorney General
Why would a failed conveyancing lawyer step down from a cushy government number? It would mean that she has to go out into the big bad world where she'll be expected to be at least marginally competent at her job.
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Old 15th September 2020, 10:24 AM   #1123
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"Downing Street has warned peers not to try and block the controversial legislation overriding parts of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

The UK Internal Market Bill passed its first hurdle in the Commons on Monday, but Boris Johnson is facing a major revolt of around 20 senior Conservatives over an amendment to the bill, which could break international law.

The legislation would give ministers sweeping new powers to ensure unfettered access between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

Some peers have warned that the bill will not get through the upper chamber in its current form.

A No 10 spokesman responded, saying ministers believed the Salisbury Convention – which states the House of Lords should not vote down legislation to implement Government manifesto commitments – should apply."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...?ocid=msedgdhp
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Old 15th September 2020, 10:27 AM   #1124
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Why would it? If the UK won’t agree to maintain EU standards on agricultural products, how could the EU sign off on importing these products? It’s not like NI would be harmed by this.
You seem to be conflating 2 issues:
- getting on the EU 3rd party list to be able to export animal products to the EU which requires that you have a system. The bar is quite low as Afghanistan is on the list.
- detailed schedules of what food products you can export to the EU. The USA is on the list for animal products, but IIRC chlorinated chicken is an excluded product

The EU seems to be threatening not to approve GB for inclusion on the first list.
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Old 15th September 2020, 10:29 AM   #1125
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You know that €100 note you ended up not spending during your holiday abroad last year?


Its currently beating the London Stock Market in £ terms by over 20%.
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Old 15th September 2020, 10:36 AM   #1126
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Voting against breaching international law and in favour of upholding a treaty agreed by the Prime Minister is characterised as ‘siding with the EU’.
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Old 15th September 2020, 10:49 AM   #1127
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"Downing Street has warned peers not to try and block the controversial legislation overriding parts of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

The UK Internal Market Bill passed its first hurdle in the Commons on Monday, but Boris Johnson is facing a major revolt of around 20 senior Conservatives over an amendment to the bill, which could break international law.

The legislation would give ministers sweeping new powers to ensure unfettered access between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

Some peers have warned that the bill will not get through the upper chamber in its current form.

A No 10 spokesman responded, saying ministers believed the Salisbury Convention – which states the House of Lords should not vote down legislation to implement Government manifesto commitments – should apply."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...?ocid=msedgdhp

Has anyone pointed out that the Government Manifesto promised to impliment Boris' Withdrawal Agreement?
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Old 15th September 2020, 11:08 AM   #1128
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- getting on the EU 3rd party list to be able to export animal products to the EU which requires that you have a system. The bar is quite low as Afghanistan is on the list.
Has the UK provided the details on it’s planned system?
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Old 15th September 2020, 12:41 PM   #1129
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
It will, by definition, survive in some form or another, though it may be very different to the economy we have now. Britain had an economy, even in the dark ages, and in prehistory.
What - will - you - eat?
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Old 15th September 2020, 02:05 PM   #1130
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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle View Post
What - will - you - eat?
Cats. We've got plenty of them. Oh and mackerel on Friday.
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Old 15th September 2020, 02:19 PM   #1131
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Voting against breaching international law and in favour of upholding a treaty agreed by the Prime Minister is characterised as ‘siding with the EU’.
Yes, failing to support the government in its desire to break international law is akin to treason
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Old 15th September 2020, 10:24 PM   #1132
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Apparently a Beta Test system is industry standard nomenclature for a fully operational system. That's news to me but then again I've only been in IT for 30 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54172222

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Old 15th September 2020, 11:40 PM   #1133
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Has anyone pointed out that the Government Manifesto promised to impliment Boris' Withdrawal Agreement?
Frequently.
They just ignore it.

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Apparently a Beta Test system is industry standard nomenclature for a fully operational system. That's news to me but then again I've only been in IT for 30 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54172222
That got an audible gasp from me this morning when I read it, and very nearly a "bollocks"...
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Old 15th September 2020, 11:55 PM   #1134
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That got an audible gasp from me this morning when I read it, and very nearly a "bollocks"...
I was involved with a number of the large benefits systems developments in the late 80's and early 90's and was responsible for the company I was working for making an excellent decision not to get involved with the 2000's NHS system debacle. I'm painfully aware of the **** that got shoved into production at the last minute in order to meet deadlines.

If this is being billed as a Beta system, then it's even less ready than the Pension systems Version 0, the one where only about a quarter of it worked at all and where paying the Christmas bonus cancelled payment of the regular pension which resulted in an entire DHSS site hand writing giro cheques.

It's going to be an absolute shambles.
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Old 16th September 2020, 01:23 AM   #1135
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Dominic Raab is trying to assure the US that everything will be fine w.r.t. Northern Ireland.

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Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab is in Washington where he is expected to try to reassure US politicians about the latest Brexit twist.

Some US politicians are concerned about the UK government's plan to override parts of the Brexit divorce deal.
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No 10 has said the peace agreement will be upheld in all circumstances.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54171571

Don't fall for it Nancy, Boris Johnson lies as badly and as often as Donald Trump.

We're also going to become the US' lapdog in the Middle East - again

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Mr Raab will also meet Mr Pompeo, amid continuing transatlantic tensions over Iran.

The US secretary of state recently accused the UK and its European allies of "siding with the Ayatollahs" for blocking further United Nations' sanctions on Iran.
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Old 16th September 2020, 01:58 AM   #1136
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Lord Moylan tweets

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Hearing very disturbing rumours that barrister MPs have been receiving calls from heads of chambers and senior legal bods saying they’ll never work in the law again if they support the Internal Market Bill.
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Old 16th September 2020, 02:30 AM   #1137
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I was involved with a number of the large benefits systems developments in the late 80's and early 90's and was responsible for the company I was working for making an excellent decision not to get involved with the 2000's NHS system debacle. I'm painfully aware of the **** that got shoved into production at the last minute in order to meet deadlines.



If this is being billed as a Beta system, then it's even less ready than the Pension systems Version 0, the one where only about a quarter of it worked at all and where paying the Christmas bonus cancelled payment of the regular pension which resulted in an entire DHSS site hand writing giro cheques.



It's going to be an absolute shambles.
We've just implemented a small project, to spec, but it took twice as long as hoped, and the reports are so massive that no one can use them.

I too am sceptical of the government's claims

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Old 16th September 2020, 02:45 AM   #1138
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Apparently a Beta Test system is industry standard nomenclature for a fully operational system. That's news to me but then again I've only been in IT for 30 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54172222
To be fair to be anything like a beta it should be feature complete. I've noticed over the years that we've had "beta creep" and often people try to pass off alpha builds as betas.

A beta should be feature complete, personally I'm not keen for it but many developers are happy to call beta even if the build still has some place holder assets (that don't interfere with the functionality).

But of course the beta is going to be a mess of bugs - "hmm... was that meant to delete the entire table when I changed the salutation?" as well as probably throwing up required changes to core functions during testing and there is no way you could use a beta as your live system on any kind of critical system.
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I'm currently involved in the oversight of a five year, 100 million IT infrastructure project and I'm sadly shaking my head at that claim.

In other news, I can't remember if I've mentioned it before, but as someone who grew up in the UK I'm often treated as the source of information on UK matters within the foreign government department in which I work. The most frequent question over the last four years has been this: "Are they on crack?"
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Old 16th September 2020, 03:11 AM   #1140
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I'm currently involved in the oversight of a five year, 100 million IT infrastructure project and I'm sadly shaking my head at that claim.

In other news, I can't remember if I've mentioned it before, but as someone who grew up in the UK I'm often treated as the source of information on UK matters within the foreign government department in which I work. The most frequent question over the last four years has been this: "Are they on crack?"
Nah we are back on our ancient drug of entitlement.
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Logistics UK says it learned today that the Smart Freight System being developed by the government for handling cross-border trade won’t be ready for Jan

Policy director Elizabeth de Jong says it’s a “crushing disappointment and “a massive blow to UK businesses and the economy”
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Old 16th September 2020, 04:23 AM   #1142
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Boris Johnson asks in a mass mail shot who I stand with - the UK or the EU and Labour? I must join the Tory party to stop the EU carving up the union. What crap is this? These are friends,partners,allies in NATO. Not the Spanish Armada or the Luftwaffe. He is a national disgrace
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Old 16th September 2020, 04:44 AM   #1143
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Cats. We've got plenty of them. Oh and mackerel on Friday.

Great Britain, to quote Detective John Munch, “is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish.”
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Theresa Villiers, one of Boris Johnson's former cabinet ministers, argued that it was "not unusual" for countries to disregard the rules and said such laws were merely a "set of political constructs".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-b435449.html
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My Tory MP wrote to me on September 17 2019 to say 'I would never support any government which broke the law' on September 14 2020 he did exactly that.

All bets are off now.
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An domestic laws are social constructs,.
Whoop-de-doo.
Breaking either of them though, has consequences.
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In other news, I can't remember if I've mentioned it before, but as someone who grew up in the UK I'm often treated as the source of information on UK matters within the foreign government department in which I work. The most frequent question over the last four years has been this: "Are they on crack?"
There is crack and crack. As with Kopi luwak coffee (beans plucked from civet poo) we only smoke the crack **** out of the arse of old Etonians
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Theresa Villiers, one of Boris Johnson's former cabinet ministers, argued that it was "not unusual" for countries to disregard the rules and said such laws were merely a "set of political constructs".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-b435449.html
They can't even agree on their excuses. This is Cummings doubling down on his Trumpian BS. Deny reality and then nobody can mount a coherent opposition that has any impact. The populous are left bewildered - confusion and apathy result.

It's probably already too late to stop what is coming and by the time the next election rolls around the UK will probably already be beyond help.
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The word hypernormalization was coined by Alexei Yurchak, a professor of anthropology who was born in Leningrad and later went to teach in the United States. He introduced the word in his book Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation (2006), which describes paradoxes of Soviet life during the 1970s and 1980s.[3][4] He says that everyone in the Soviet Union knew the system was failing, but no one could imagine an alternative to the status quo, and politicians and citizens alike were resigned to maintaining the pretense of a functioning society.
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Apparently a Beta Test system is industry standard nomenclature for a fully operational system. That's news to me but then again I've only been in IT for 30 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54172222
Ah yes, lying is the new norm for UKGov and BoJo the clown.

But then Brexiteers are dumb enough to lap up this garbage and believe the Murdoch press's lies when they'll blame the evil EU for shortages and death.

I have a former colleague who could only be making more money if she started printing it; outsourced IT contractor with no scrutiny.
Double normal rates, 1.67x overtime and more....
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I was involved with a number of the large benefits systems developments in the late 80's and early 90's and was responsible for the company I was working for making an excellent decision not to get involved with the 2000's NHS system debacle. I'm painfully aware of the **** that got shoved into production at the last minute in order to meet deadlines.

If this is being billed as a Beta system, then it's even less ready than the Pension systems Version 0, the one where only about a quarter of it worked at all and where paying the Christmas bonus cancelled payment of the regular pension which resulted in an entire DHSS site hand writing giro cheques.

It's going to be an absolute shambles.
Ah the good old days. I worked for a company that made literal millions picking up some of the pieces.
They used to say of the DWP that the rabbits outside were smarter than the people inside.
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Dominic Raab is trying to assure the US that everything will be fine w.r.t. Northern Ireland.
Pelosi is far to smart to farr for BoJo's idiot lapdog.

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Hearing very disturbing rumours that barrister MPs have been receiving calls from heads of chambers and senior legal bods saying they’ll never work in the law again if they support the Internal Market Bill.
Interesting. Could a barrister voting for the bill be considered Professional Misconduct? Certainly they'd never be trusted again.
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Great Britain, to quote Detective John Munch, “is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish.”
But not the kind of fish Brits eat.....

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Theresa Villiers, one of Boris Johnson's former cabinet ministers, argued that it was "not unusual" for countries to disregard the rules and said such laws were merely a "set of political constructs".
Does that mean that if I support the memory of John Bellingham I'm immune to the consequences of emulating him?


Mildly OT: I was thinking yesterday of Titus Oates (it was the anniversary of his birth), the fraudster, perjurer and liar on a grand scale.
Today he'd be a Tory MP at least and a candidate for PM.
Perhaps, post denunciation of the ECHR, the pillory can make a return?
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And where is out resident Brexiteer?
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Old 16th September 2020, 07:42 AM   #1155
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I was involved with a number of the large benefits systems developments in the late 80's and early 90's and was responsible for the company I was working for making an excellent decision not to get involved with the 2000's NHS system debacle. I'm painfully aware of the **** that got shoved into production at the last minute in order to meet deadlines.



If this is being billed as a Beta system, then it's even less ready than the Pension systems Version 0, the one where only about a quarter of it worked at all and where paying the Christmas bonus cancelled payment of the regular pension which resulted in an entire DHSS site hand writing giro cheques.



It's going to be an absolute shambles.
As a gamer, I kinda get it.

Yes, theoretically beta means a stable, working system. The idea is to have an expanded (hopefully enthusiast/journeyman types rather than total neophytes) user base reveal more flaws/bugs through "emergent behavior" (use of the system in ways not designed for or even anticipated).

In theory.

ETA: yes, the government's statements line up with the analogous equivalents of pie-in-the-sky predictions of launch date expectations and seem blissfully unaware of the 16 threadnaughts full of bug reports in the beta forums and the army of angry Twitch streamers pointing out the flaws.

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https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1306201877302960128

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UK government’s law officer for Scotland, Lord Keen, has offered his resignation to the Prime Minister
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understands Lord Keen, the advocate general, has found it increasingly difficult to reconcile govt plans to change EU exit deal with the law

Resignation not yet accepted

Appears to be effort to persuade Lord Keen to stay
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Lord Moylan tweets

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Hearing very disturbing rumours that barrister MPs have been receiving calls from heads of chambers and senior legal bods saying they’ll never work in the law again if they support the Internal Market Bill.
Good for them!
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And where is our resident Brexiteer?

Probably out stockpiling tinned tomatoes, pasta, and bog rolls.
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Lord Keen has gone.

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The UK government's law officer for Scotland, Lord Keen, has resigned amid a legal row over Brexit legislation.

The advocate general said he had "found it increasingly difficult to reconcile" his obligations as a lawyer with provisions in the Internal Market Bill.

Ministers have admitted that their plans could "break international law".

Lord Keen's resignation was initially not accepted by Downing Street, with Prime Minister Boris Johnson saying that conversations were ongoing.

However it was later confirmed that he had left his post.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-54179745
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Boris Johnson has told MPs he believes the EU may not be negotiating with the UK in good faith.

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The PM was explaining why he wants to overwrite parts of the Brexit deal he signed with the EU in January.
He said it was to prevent the EU behaving in an "unreasonable" way if the UK fails to agree a trade deal.
Pressed by Labour's Hilary Benn on whether he thought the EU was negotiating in good faith, he said: "I don't believe they are."
This contradicted Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis, who earlier told MPs he believed the EU was acting in good faith.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54170397
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