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Old 14th September 2020, 03:55 PM   #2561
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Is he? The last time I saw a news story about Trump having maskless rallies, it was accompanied by a photo of a bunch of people at his rally in masks.

What kind of cognitive dissonance does it require to publish a story with a photo which refutes your own headline?
The people behind Trump are wearing masks. Makes for a good photo op. But most of the people at the rally were not wearing them.

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And while many supporters visible in stands directly behind Trump were wearing masks, most individuals higher up on the stands away from Trump and most supporters on the ground in front of Trump's podium were not sporting masks.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/polit...ion/index.html

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Old 14th September 2020, 04:05 PM   #2562
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The people behind Trump are wearing masks. Makes for a good photo op. But most of the people at the rally were not wearing them.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/polit...ion/index.html

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A leader would have insisted they wear masks or better yet, not held the rally at all.
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Old 14th September 2020, 04:05 PM   #2563
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Canada had 1 covid death yesterday. The US had 380. (A lot less than 1000, but just wait for winter.)

One key reason why the number of US covid deaths recorded for yesterday was only 380 is, I believe, not because there were that many fewer than 1,000 covid deaths yesterday but because yesterday was a Sunday. Looking at a chart that gives the daily reported US covid deaths there's a very visible pattern where the numbers reported for weekends are dramatically lower than the numbers reported for weekdays.

For example, here's a link to the page at the Worldometers.info site which gives information about the state of the covid situation in the United States. Clicking the link and doing a search on page for the phrase Daily New Deaths in the United States will take one to a chart giving the daily recorded US death totals. As you can see, pretty much every 7 days there's a dramatic dip down. Now, that could be because the angels who collect and process souls have a clause in their newer contracts giving them more time off on weekends, but I think it's much more likely to do with the reporting of and recording of covid deaths being slower in some way on weekends.

Or, here's a current copy of the chart. Going to the Worldometers site is better, because then you can hover your cursor on the chart and see the recorded numbers for each day. But even this small-sized copy should be enough to show the similar-shaped valley which has appeared every weekend since April.

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Old 14th September 2020, 04:12 PM   #2564
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One key reason why the number of US covid deaths recorded for yesterday was only 380 is, I believe, not because there were that many fewer than 1,000 covid deaths yesterday but because yesterday was a Sunday...

My point being, in case it wasn't clear, that varwoche is very right about there being a very significant difference between the number of deaths Canada is experiencing and the number of deaths the US is experiencing. Donald Trump's administration has handled the situation very poorly, and this is the result.
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Old 14th September 2020, 04:24 PM   #2565
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
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For cripes sake, the man is still holding crowded, mask-less, rallies
Is he? The last time I saw a news story about Trump having maskless rallies, it was accompanied by a photo of a bunch of people at his rally in masks.

What kind of cognitive dissonance does it require to publish a story with a photo which refutes your own headline?
To answer your direct question to SG, yes, he is. (Click on the Twitter photo at the link for a bigger version) But, sure, the Hill could have used a better photo (with their Tweet, not their "story," which didn't have that photo at all), and that's what is important.



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Old 14th September 2020, 05:11 PM   #2566
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Behind the stage is always a hand-selected, camera-friendly contrivance of "good Americans."
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Old 14th September 2020, 06:45 PM   #2567
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Originally Posted by Nova Land View Post
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Yes, thanks for reminding me about the Sunday dips.

(In the Worst Year Ever, I look for anything to brighten my day. Seeing you around is awesome in every way.)
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Old 15th September 2020, 08:30 AM   #2568
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Huh. Are you for a bill that allows sex between someone 14 and someone 24 at the judge's discretion? I mean, okay, win for gay people that this is now extended to include gay sex... but seriously? 10 years difference and down to age 14?
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Old 15th September 2020, 08:38 AM   #2569
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The people behind Trump are wearing masks. Makes for a good photo op. But most of the people at the rally were not wearing them.
Of course the closest would wear masks. Wouldn't want to infect Dear Leader.

The rest of the cultists are of no concern to said Dear Leader.
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Old 15th September 2020, 08:39 AM   #2570
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Huh? I really don't understand what you're trying to say. One could argue that more deaths than they had in South Korea is too many.

The fact is Trump knew it was deadly and as Commander and Chief and POTUS, he bears responsibility in protecting the citizens. He didn't do that. He did worse than that. He didn't wear a mask. He didn't encourage people to take safety precautions. In fact, he turned acting recklessly into some badge of courage instead of the stupidity it is. He said it would just go away. He said it was a hoax. He held rallies where his campaign staff deliberately removed social distancing stickers.
All true RE: Trump.

But let's say we had Biden, what would the death toll in the US have looked like? How much better would we be doing in that regard?
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Old 15th September 2020, 08:45 AM   #2571
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
All true RE: Trump.

But let's say we had Biden, what would the death toll in the US have looked like? How much better would we be doing in that regard?
Another way to word this question:

What if the POTUS followed guidance from the experts, rather than actively subverting it?
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
All true RE: Trump.

But let's say we had Biden, what would the death toll in the US have looked like? How much better would we be doing in that regard?
Herman Cain would probably still be alive.
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Old 15th September 2020, 08:52 AM   #2573
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
All true RE: Trump.

But let's say we had Biden, what would the death toll in the US have looked like? How much better would we be doing in that regard?
*Trump drives a busload of orphans off a cliff and into an active volcano*

Sure, that’s bad. But how would it have been different if Biden was driving?

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Behind the stage is always a hand-selected, camera-friendly contrivance of "good Americans."
Who were wearing masks with Trump slogans and such on them, clearly provided by the campaign when they were chosen to sit there.
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Old 15th September 2020, 08:57 AM   #2575
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Huh. Are you for a bill that allows sex between someone 14 and someone 24 at the judge's discretion? I mean, okay, win for gay people that this is now extended to include gay sex... but seriously? 10 years difference and down to age 14?
Ingraham is just filthy Trumptrash so you have to check what she says. Their kind can't be trusted. The bill in no way makes anything that is illegal now legal. The bill in question adds gay or non-vaginal sex to the list of crimes where a judge has discretion as to forcing the defendant to register as a sex offender. The law already exists for heterosexual vaginal sex.
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*Trump drives a busload of orphans off a cliff and into an active volcano*

Sure, that’s bad. But how would it have been different if Biden was driving?
That's the core part of "We can't govern, therefore that's our proof that the government ruins everything and the Democrats are evil because they want an even bigger government!" philosophy.

It's more "Trump runs a busload of orphans off of a cliff and into an active volcano and uses it as proof that Democrats wanting mass transit want to murder your children."
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Ingraham is just filthy Trumptrash so you have to check what she says. Their kind can't be trusted. The bill in no way makes anything that is illegal now legal. The bill in question adds gay or non-vaginal sex to the list of crimes where a judge has discretion as to forcing the defendant to register as a sex offender. The law already exists for heterosexual vaginal sex.
I know that. I am aware of that.

But regardless of sexual orientation... shouldn't people be against this law on its face? Shouldn't any extension of that law to include more minors be considered a bad thing?

Instead, this seems to be lauded by several people on the interwebs as a great win and progress for LGBT rights. And I'm seriously just baffled as to how allowing for a 24 year old to have sex of any kind with a 14 year old could be considered a good thing.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Another way to word this question:

What if the POTUS followed guidance from the experts, rather than actively subverting it?
Sure, go with that. Can you quantify what that would look like in numbers, imprecise as the answer may be?

I would say that we might look a little more like France. I don't think we would have done much better than that because the Federal Government doesn't control what happens in each State. In Texas, for example, Gov. Abbott would have faced the same pressures from the people and business owners and reacted in much the same way. And just in general, the people would have reacted in much the same way -a long shutdown was never going to happen in the US. Any POTUS would have faced a non-compliant population and State governments that reopened way too early.

I can't see us matching Canada's numbers and no way in Hell we would have done as well as South Korea.
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In Texas, for example, Gov. Abbott would have faced the same pressures from the people and business owners and reacted in much the same way. And just in general, the people would have reacted in much the same way
Don't you think it might have been more effective if the President was't attacking the governors that were implementing government advice rather than attacking them and encouraging people to object?
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I know that. I am aware of that.

But regardless of sexual orientation... shouldn't people be against this law on its face? Shouldn't any extension of that law to include more minors be considered a bad thing?

Instead, this seems to be lauded by several people on the interwebs as a great win and progress for LGBT rights. And I'm seriously just baffled as to how allowing for a 24 year old to have sex of any kind with a 14 year old could be considered a good thing.
All the things you're worried about are still illegal. The only change to the law is what happens when you get out of prison. A 24-year-old having sex with a 14 year old is illegal now and will still be illegal if the bill is signed into law. The law would give the judge the same latitude he/she currently has in heterosexual cases to all such cases on what happens for post incarceration monitoring.
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
I know that. I am aware of that.

But regardless of sexual orientation... shouldn't people be against this law on its face? Shouldn't any extension of that law to include more minors be considered a bad thing?

Instead, this seems to be lauded by several people on the interwebs as a great win and progress for LGBT rights. And I'm seriously just baffled as to how allowing for a 24 year old to have sex of any kind with a 14 year old could be considered a good thing.
I don't read it that way. It's a win for LGBT rights because now California will treat them equally. And the law isn't allowing a 24 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. It's simply allowing discretion for the judge to decide whether or not the 24 year old has to register as a sex offender. I can't imagine a scenario in which the extremes will escape the sex offender registry. But say a 19 year old has sex with a 16 year old -does the 19 year old always in every case have to register as a sex offender? The answer used to be "Yes" if it was a homosexual couple.
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Don't you think it might have been more effective if the President was't attacking the governors that were implementing government advice rather than attacking them and encouraging people to object?
Also, beginning the hypothetical comparison at the point that the pandemic was already out of control is like handing Biden the keys to the bus after it was already airborne.
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Who were wearing masks with Trump slogans and such on them, clearly provided by the campaign when they were chosen to sit there.
They were. They were handed out to them as stated in one of the articles I read. It was clearly staged.
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Sure, go with that. Can you quantify what that would look like in numbers, imprecise as the answer may be?
Of course not.

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I would say that we might look a little more like France. I don't think we would have done much better than that because the Federal Government doesn't control what happens in each State. In Texas, for example, Gov. Abbott would have faced the same pressures from the people and business owners and reacted in much the same way. And just in general, the people would have reacted in much the same way -a long shutdown was never going to happen in the US. Any POTUS would have faced a non-compliant population and State governments that reopened way too early.

I can't see us matching Canada's numbers and no way in Hell we would have done as well as South Korea.
I'm certain the pressure would have been less had Trump not aggressively promoted his idiotic notions. No, I can't quantify that either.

I'm unimpressed by the question. Any answer would be highly speculative and hard to support.

There are countless terrible deeds that we all know are sociopathic, and would have fatal consequences, and we would agree the perps belong in prison, yet we can't really quantify. Like, what if tomorrow lots of people chose to exercise their freedom by driving 80 mph stone drunk in school zones? Do you need a count in order to deem that a serious problem?
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Sure, go with that. Can you quantify what that would look like in numbers, imprecise as the answer may be?

I would say that we might look a little more like France.
Let's just hope we didn't end up looking more like the UK or Spain.
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All the things you're worried about are still illegal. The only change to the law is what happens when you get out of prison. A 24-year-old having sex with a 14 year old is illegal now and will still be illegal if the bill is signed into law. The law would give the judge the same latitude he/she currently has in heterosexual cases to all such cases on what happens for post incarceration monitoring.
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I don't read it that way. It's a win for LGBT rights because now California will treat them equally. And the law isn't allowing a 24 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. It's simply allowing discretion for the judge to decide whether or not the 24 year old has to register as a sex offender. I can't imagine a scenario in which the extremes will escape the sex offender registry. But say a 19 year old has sex with a 16 year old -does the 19 year old always in every case have to register as a sex offender? The answer used to be "Yes" if it was a homosexual couple.
Okay, that's a much more reasonable view of it. I rescind my objection.
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
All true RE: Trump.

But let's say we had Biden, what would the death toll in the US have looked like? How much better would we be doing in that regard?
That's an "if". I trust we would have done better. But we can only speculate. But the speculation is based on what we know about both men. Biden is a good man who doesn't need to prove he's the smartest most well informed person in the room.
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That's an "if". I trust we would have done better. But we can only speculate. But the speculation is based on what we know about both men. Biden is a good man who doesn't need to prove he's the smartest most well informed person in the room.
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Biden has a conscience. Biden listens to others. Biden isn't a sociopath. Biden isn't a narcissist. Biden has morals. Biden is a pathological liar. Nuff said.
I wouldn't say pathological
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Biden has a conscience. Biden listens to others. Biden isn't a sociopath. Biden isn't a narcissist. Biden has morals. Biden is a pathological liar. Nuff said.
I suspect you're missing "n't" in there...
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I wouldn't say pathological
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I suspect you're missing "n't" in there...
LOL. Fixed. Thanks for the heads up.
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I know that. I am aware of that.

But regardless of sexual orientation... shouldn't people be against this law on its face? Shouldn't any extension of that law to include more minors be considered a bad thing?

Instead, this seems to be lauded by several people on the interwebs as a great win and progress for LGBT rights. And I'm seriously just baffled as to how allowing for a 24 year old to have sex of any kind with a 14 year old could be considered a good thing.
It doesn't have to be a "good" thing, just not worth a decade in prison or permanent placement on a sex offender registry for. This of course doesn't include rape. Overall it's a good bill and this paranoia over "pedophilia" (which it's not) is nonsense.
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The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.
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Old 15th September 2020, 04:50 PM   #2596
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Trump War Room tweeted

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Breaking News: Donald Trump does NOT deny he wears women's lace underwear while Melania spanks him with her Jimmy Choo spike heels while Lindsey Graham watches!
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Old 15th September 2020, 07:31 PM   #2597
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The people behind Trump are wearing masks. Makes for a good photo op. But most of the people at the rally were not wearing them.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/polit...ion/index.html

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ff4aee3b9c.jpg
A leader would have insisted they wear masks or better yet, not held the rally at all.

As opposed to holding the rally in a state where there was a state-wide mandate to wear masks and a limit of fifty people at outdoor gatherings. (Not to mention the six foot separation rule.) And ridiculing the Governor of the state for having declared such mandates.

Which is what Trump did.
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Honestly, I hope Joe Biden polishes up his speaking.

Not gonna lie he looks old as hell and is a shell of himself from even just a couple years back.

Trump in the ABC town hall looked pretty sharp.
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Honestly, I hope Joe Biden polishes up his speaking.

Not gonna lie he looks old as hell and is a shell of himself from even just a couple years back.

Trump in the ABC town hall looked pretty sharp.
Is that one where the young woman asked him why he downplayed the virus and he said he never downplayed it despite having told Woodward he downplayed it and then repeated that he liked downplaying it? That town hall?
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Is that one where the young woman asked him why he downplayed the virus and he said he never downplayed it despite having told Woodward he downplayed it and then repeated that he liked downplaying it? That town hall?
Yeah. Perception matters a bit more than reality though.
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