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Old 24th August 2020, 09:35 AM   #241
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From GOP convention proceedings...
Crowd: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

Trump: If you want to drive them crazy, say 12 more years!

Ha ha. Fascist humor from a brazen wannabe fascist.
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Old 24th August 2020, 11:29 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
From GOP convention proceedings...
Crowd: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

Trump: If you want to drive them crazy, say 12 more years!

Ha ha. Fascist humor from a brazen wannabe fascist.
It's true though. The thought of living in a dictatorship does drive many of us crazy.

He's projecting his plan while disguising it as a joke. He knows it's a long-shot but he's going to try and then, when he fails, say he was joking the whole time.
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Old 24th August 2020, 11:35 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
It's true though. The thought of living in a dictatorship does drive many of us crazy.

He's projecting his plan while disguising it as a joke. He knows it's a long-shot but he's going to try and then, when he fails, say he was joking the whole time.
And it's a double win. If he gets his way, well he gets his way. If he doesn't "LOL lookit how overdramatic da libtards were being."

Again it's the scary subtle genius of how Trump has split his base among people who want a fascist strongman and those who are just nihilistic trolls, and often time those two motivations exist in the same person.
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Old 24th August 2020, 01:19 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
It's true though. The thought of living in a dictatorship does drive many of us crazy.

He's projecting his plan while disguising it as a joke. He knows it's a long-shot but he's going to try and then, when he fails, say he was joking the whole time.
"Russia if you're listening..." They were.

"You see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, rough, please don't be too nice..." They were not.

"I’d like to punch him [a protester] in the face." A cultist obliged.


Abbreviated due to time pressure.
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It's been taken down, now, but Trump re-tweeted another white nationalist account. The account was @TDN_NOTICIAS. I won't link to the specific tweet, but it was footage of a black man pushing a white woman on to subway tracks (or trying to, I didn't bother watching the video), crediting it to Black Lives Matter. The video is actually from last year and has nothing whatsoever to do with BLM.
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Old 31st August 2020, 10:38 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
He's projecting his plan while disguising it as a joke. He knows it's a long-shot but he's going to try and then, when he fails, say he was joking the whole time.
He also knows that enough of his apologists have their asses so far up their own keisters that if Trump does "LOL Troll" us into a fascism (or a dictatorship or a theocracy or a sparkling failed democracy or whatever) it will somehow be different then him just doing it "honestly" or whatever.

"Yeah I'm ruining the country, but I'm doing it ironically/trolling/as a Poe/Performance Art/some combination thereof" really is selling as a message to a lot of people.
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1. Trump cultists drive through Portland firing projectiles at protesters.
2. Trump re-tweets the video; calls them "great patriots".
3. Today McEnany tells us "I don't think the president has seen that video. Nor have I."

These are actions of a fascist.
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Old 31st August 2020, 10:27 PM   #248
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KAC explicitly said that violent protesting helps Trump's chances in November.
Of course he will do what he can to have more, not less violence.
And if reelected, he will keep on fostering violence to keep his power.
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Old 1st September 2020, 04:45 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
1. Trump cultists drive through Portland firing projectiles at protesters.
2. Trump re-tweets the video; calls them "great patriots".
3. Today McEnany tells us "I don't think the president has seen that video. Nor have I."

These are actions of a fascist.
Maybe China will listen to you.....
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
1. Trump cultists drive through Portland firing projectiles at protesters.
2. Trump re-tweets the video; calls them "great patriots".
3. Today McEnany tells us "I don't think the president has seen that video. Nor have I."

These are actions of a fascist.
You should demonstrate how these meet the criteria for actions of a fascist.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
KAC explicitly said that violent protesting helps Trump's chances in November.


I think that this may be true. Who is / are KAC?
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I think that this may be true. Who is / are KAC?
Kellyanne Conway.
You might have heard of her as a Trump/ White House spokesperson.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ke...ed-11598550026
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
You should demonstrate how these meet the criteria for actions of a fascist.
When Trump encourages paramilitary violence against protesters, if that doesn't scream brownshirts then I can't help you.
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When Trump encourages paramilitary violence against protesters, if that doesn't scream brownshirts then I can't help you.
He just does not see the connection.
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When Trump encourages paramilitary violence against protesters, if that doesn't scream brownshirts then I can't help you.
Probably the first thing that would come to my mind is theocracy.
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Probably the first thing that would come to my mind is theocracy.
Yeah Bob that's the whole "Then we can't help you" thing.
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He just does not see the connection.
he sees the connection he just seems to think that “maybe he’s some other type of authoritarian dictator” is meaningful counterpoint.
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he sees the connection he just seems to think that “maybe he’s some other type of authoritarian dictator” is meaningful counterpoint.
"Stopping the discussion about what to do about Trump's evil because I want to argue about what kind of evil you called him" has become a favored tactic among the Trumpers.

It's why I don't like ignoring Bob. He teaches bad argumentatives to other people.
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"Stopping the discussion about what to do about Trump's evil because I want to argue about what kind of evil you called him" has become a favored tactic among the Trumpers.
This is an ironic argument to make here, given that the thread title is specifically about what kind of evil to call Trump and not what to do about him.
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When Trump encourages paramilitary violence against protesters, if that doesn't scream brownshirts then I can't help you.
Just like Antifa and the boogaloos do, there's multiple groups on that front.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
Just like Antifa and the boogaloos do, there's multiple groups on that front.
I urge you to contemplate the difference between the President of the United States and fringe actors who are supported by virtually nobody.

(I don't know what a boogaloo is, other than a dance. Is this a weird drop of the mask?)
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I urge you to contemplate the difference between the President of the United States and fringe actors who are supported by virtually nobody.

(I don't know what a boogaloo is, other than a dance.)
Groups like ANtifa for the other side. So, without all the facts how do you have a valid opinion? A simple googling would show the Boogaloos as a rightish, Hawaiian shirt wearing gun nut/vigilante group that has stoked tensions as well. One would think your Chinese handlers would have better prepared you. The Russians would have
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he sees the connection he just seems to think that “maybe he’s some other type of authoritarian dictator” is meaningful counterpoint.
It is in a thread arguing that he is specifically fascist (and not just using it as a term of art).

It is like you are going into a thread where someone titled it "this killer used an assault rifle", and people challenging that, and then you state, "why do these gun nuts think arguing it wasn't an assault rifle is meaningful counterpoint?"

ETA: if you want to say you don't actually mean fascism, then fine. But it seems the people here do wish to conclude it is fascism and not some other form of authoritarianism.

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(I don't know what a boogaloo is, other than a dance. Is this a weird drop of the mask?)
Racist ****wits looking forward to a new civil war. Specifically Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo, gettit? His kind of people.
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Racist ****wits looking forward to a new civil war. Specifically Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo, gettit? His kind of people.
By what disociative non logic did you just make me out to be a racist?
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By what disociative non logic did you just make me out to be a racist?
If you aren't, you should keep better company.
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If you aren't, you should keep better company.
Just shaking my head.....
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Just shaking my head.....
No, he's right. Stop hanging around this forum, it's filled with racists.
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Kellyanne Conway.
You might have heard of her as a Trump/ White House spokesperson.
Yes I have, just never by her initials. Thank you.
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This is an ironic argument to make here, given that the thread title is specifically about what kind of evil to call Trump and not what to do about him.
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
It is in a thread arguing that he is specifically fascist (and not just using it as a term of art).
The fact that traits outlined in that post post are only part of what characterises fascism is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
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The fact that traits outlined in that post post are only part of what characterises fascism is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
It hasn't been demonstrated that it is "part of what characterises fascism" at all.
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By what disociative non logic did you just make me out to be a racist?
The fact that you equated Antifa (a movement to oppose fascism and white supremacy) with Boogaloo (a movement to create fascism through white supremacy) shows who you are. It's like saying the Allies and Axis powers were just as bad as each other.
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The fact that you equated Antifa (a movement to oppose fascism and white supremacy) with Boogaloo (a movement to create fascism through white supremacy) shows who you are. It's like saying the Allies and Axis powers were just as bad as each other.
Some of them were.
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The fact that you equated Antifa (a movement to oppose fascism and white supremacy) with Boogaloo (a movement to create fascism through white supremacy) shows who you are. It's like saying the Allies and Axis powers were just as bad as each other.
Huh? I've never strongly associated Boogaloos with fascism or white supremacy. I know there are definitely some among them, but the core principles seem to be anti-government violence and self defense, if you can call it that. There are also libertarians and anarchists among them.
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Huh? I've never strongly associated Boogaloos with fascism or white supremacy. I know there are definitely some among them, but the core principles seem to be anti-government violence and self defense, if you can call it that. There are also libertarians and anarchists among them.
The Boogaloo movement's goal is to create a race war to destroy the government by using it to start a civil war, or at least that is what they claim. "Libertarians" in these kinds of groups are often hypocrites who support many of the same things as the far right.

That's why they are nowhere to be seen in protests against Trump and his policies, because they support him. They are a dangerous extremist group and Antifa is defending this country against them.
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Huh? I've never strongly associated Boogaloos with fascism or white supremacy. I know there are definitely some among them, but the core principles seem to be anti-government violence and self defense, if you can call it that. There are also libertarians and anarchists among them.


It’s “civil war 2, electric boogaloo”. The civil war is meant to be a race-based war. It’s white supremacy.
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The fact that you equated Antifa (a movement to oppose fascism and white supremacy) with Boogaloo (a movement to create fascism through white supremacy) shows who you are. It's like saying the Allies and Axis powers were just as bad as each other.
It's all in the name, isn't it?

I mean just think of all the Tibetan people who have been liberated by the People's Liberation Army. And of course the democratic people's republic of Korea is vastly superior to the mere republic of Korea. Unification when?
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Are we allowed to call Trump's regime fascism now?

It may still be at the transitional stage, but there's no better word for it.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 04:25 AM   #280
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The fascists have finally gone too far. This cannot stand, free people of the world, rise up!

Rand Paul is going to subpoena Antifa airlines. This is outrageous! I've been diligently racking up skymiles while I've been flying here and there to spread chaos and chuck bricks, and now I might lose them all! My wife and I were planning to use them soon to take a trip down to Cuba for sunshine, fruity drinks, and more George Soros funded Marxism training.

Smash the fash, and give me my priority boarding back, now!
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