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Old 16th September 2020, 02:23 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
Is that because of rules within the party, or legal/constitutional rules the party has to play by?
The latter, AIUI.
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Old 16th September 2020, 02:28 AM   #82
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This, and you need to realise that the UK only ended up with Boris because they ran out of competent leaders due to them all giving up in the Brexit mess.
Yes, and the extraordinary circumstances of that particular parliament constantly fighting about that one particular issue to the exclusion of all else and warping the political landscape in doing so. There's absolutely nothing normal about the UK politics of the last few years, even before the pandemic.
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Old 21st September 2020, 08:42 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
It seems silly to me that in the US the party can't have any say in who represents them as a politician. There was that case a year or two ago where the Republican party in one district were being represented by an actual Nazi. And not through choice. They'd spent the last few elections using loopholes to prevent him from running as the Republican candidate, but they ran out of loopholes.

It seems ridiculous to me that someone with a different ideology to the party can say "I stand for this party", and the party itself has no power to say "no you don't".
Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
Is that because of rules within the party, or legal/constitutional rules the party has to play by?
Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The latter, AIUI.
It's the former, actually.

And Squeegee is wrong. US parties can and do have a say in who represents them. This is usually done by holding a plebiscite of all registered party members in a voting district. You may have seen the terms "caucus" and "primary" bandied about in election years. These terms refer to the parties' process for saying who will represent them.

What the major parties don't have is a rule that allows some subset of party organizers to preemptively say that so-and-so cannot stand for a vote of the party membership, about whether they will be the party's representative. The major parties could establish such a rule, but I think most Americans would rather just vote for who will be their nominee, rather than let the party organizers present them with a pre-approved slate of party representatives.

Look at the GOP never-Trumpers, for example. Their protest takes the form of voting Democrat in this cycle, not proposing changes to how the GOP controls access to the primary process.
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