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Old 19th August 2019, 08:13 PM   #641
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
If this was Opposite-World, maybe.

You can't seriously think they believe they'd be held "more responsible" if an inmate flipped out and killed Epstein between checks than they would be for actual prison staff actually sleeping on duty, not checking on Epstein all night, AND fudging logs to try and cover their butts afterwards on top of it. You can't. I refuse to believe it.
I'm saying they might have felt like they'd be held more responsible if there was a murder AND actual prison staff actually sleeping on duty, not checking on Epstein all night, AND fudging logs to try and cover their butts afterwards on top of it.
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Old 19th August 2019, 09:03 PM   #642
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Epstein used his wealth to get his way.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had paid someone to kill him quicker and less painful than he could on his own.
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Old 19th August 2019, 09:20 PM   #643
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Epstein used his wealth to get his way.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had paid someone to kill him quicker and less painful than he could on his own.
The "partial hanging" method he supposedly used is supposed to be completely painless.
It doesn't break multiple neck bones, tho. Anything that would break bones would probably hurt.
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Old 19th August 2019, 11:34 PM   #644
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
The "celebrity pathologists" was present for Epstein's autopsy and was the coroner for years. He had the exact same job in the exact same city as the one who decided to call it suicide.

Going on Fox doesn't somehow make him a non-expert, does it?
It makes him a publicity hound - someone who doesn't get paid for giving headline material, not for being professional.
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Old 20th August 2019, 12:58 AM   #645
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
I'm saying they might have felt like they'd be held more responsible if there was a murder AND actual prison staff actually sleeping on duty, not checking on Epstein all night, AND fudging logs to try and cover their butts afterwards on top of it.
And you think that, considering the guards are evidently going down either way, the prison is going to give the murderer-inmate a free pass and even cover up his crime for him, hanging the whole thing on the prison staff alone, out of the kindness of their magnanimous hearts?
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Old 20th August 2019, 01:08 AM   #646
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YOU DON'T SAY: Epstein signed will less than 48 hours before his death

How about that.

It was suicide.
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Old 20th August 2019, 02:01 AM   #647
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
YOU DON'T SAY: Epstein signed will less than 48 hours before his death

How about that.

It was suicide.
Fake!
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Old 20th August 2019, 03:56 AM   #648
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
YOU DON'T SAY: Epstein signed will less than 48 hours before his death

How about that.

It was suicide.
Fool! The minute he signed it the PTB/MiB knew it would point to suicide, which made it the perfect time to bump him off.

Are they recruiting? I reckon I'm pretty good at this stuff and I need a bit of retirement income.
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Old 20th August 2019, 05:32 AM   #649
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
The "partial hanging" method he supposedly used is supposed to be completely painless.
It doesn't break multiple neck bones, tho. Anything that would break bones would probably hurt.

... if he was still conscious when they broke.
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Old 20th August 2019, 05:58 AM   #650
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Maybe Epstein doesn't deserve any better, but I think it all of this baseless speculation and Dr. Google, Pathology Expert belongs in CT. I apologize for contributing yesterday.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
YOU DON'T SAY: Epstein signed will less than 48 hours before his death

How about that.

It was suicide.
Now, we just need to know who the beneficiary is and that’s your smoking gun: “queue bonobos”!
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Lawyers of the women fighting for Epstein's stuff.

I didn't know they could do that.

More power to them if they succeed.
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Lawyers of the women fighting for Epstein's stuff.

I didn't know they could do that.

More power to them if they succeed.
Yeah, his last will and testament may be as important as his last meal. Between litigation costs and civil payouts, his estate is likely to be zeroed out.
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Old 20th August 2019, 06:43 PM   #654
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Now, we just need to know who the beneficiary is and that’s your smoking gun: “queue bonobos”!
Evidently he put the whole kit and kaboodle into a single trust. No individual beneficiaries named. Although it's possible the trust has instructions along those lines; the point of trusts often is to obscure and anonymize exactly such details.
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Old 21st August 2019, 12:27 AM   #655
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Pizzagate is real. It just does not involve pizza, and it is a bipartisan effort.

Are we going to keep letting the ruling class getting away with this ******

Are we going to keep licking their boots?

I suspect most of you will. Because the system is just so dang good. You love it, folks.
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Old 21st August 2019, 02:38 AM   #656
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Pizzagate is real.
Dude no.
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Old 21st August 2019, 02:03 PM   #657
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
Pizzagate is real. It just does not involve pizza, and it is a bipartisan effort.

Are we going to keep letting the ruling class getting away with this ******

Are we going to keep licking their boots?

I suspect most of you will. Because the system is just so dang good. You love it, folks.
Nope. It's not real.
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Old 24th August 2019, 10:23 PM   #658
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Far out

I have been pretty open since day one of my issues with literacy, but I think Prince Andy just stole my crown, for a tad dyssy

Did anyone actually check this before posting it?

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"I have said previously that it was a mistake and an error to see him after his release in 2010 and I can only reiterate my regret that I was mistaken to think that what I thought I knew of him was evidently not the real person, given what we now know.
What does that even mean?


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49460263
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"I have said previously that it was a mistake and an error to see him after his release in 2010 and I can only reiterate my regret that I was mistaken to think that what I thought I knew of him was evidently not the real person, given what we now know.
I hate this sort of shifting blame.

I made a mistake the other day when I trusted Google maps to tell me which roads were closed with the damage to Todbrook Reservoir dam. This was something that had (mildly) bad consequences for me.

Deciding to go to what seem like orgies hosted by a previously convicted sexual predator* at the least shows a complete lack of moral compass.

I guess he does indeed think it was a mistake, due to the negative PR consequences.

I guess it would be too much to ask for him to say that he's realised that his complete lack of moral compass has further damaged his image, so he'll outsource the role of conscience to an adviser.

*That he only met after the conviction. (Thanks Darat)
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Old 25th August 2019, 03:11 AM   #660
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I hate this sort of shifting blame.

I made a mistake the other day when I trusted Google maps to tell me which roads were closed with the damage to Todbrook Reservoir dam. This was something that had (mildly) bad consequences for me.

Deciding to go to what seem like orgies hosted by a convicted sexual predator at the least shows a complete lack of moral compass.

I guess he does indeed think it was a mistake, due to the negative PR consequences.

I guess it would be too much to ask for him to say that he's realised that his complete lack of moral compass has further damaged his image, so he'll outsource the role of conscience to an adviser.
It's actually worse than it first seems. He met Epstein after Epstein was released after being convicted. Whether he had seen anything or not he knew Epstein was a convicted sex offender at that point so before he decided to meet him.
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Old 25th August 2019, 03:22 AM   #661
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It's actually worse than it first seems. He met Epstein after Epstein was released after being convicted. Whether he had seen anything or not he knew Epstein was a convicted sex offender at that point so before he decided to meet him.
Oh, yes, that's what I was trying to say with the "convicted sexual predator " line. Should have changed it to "previously convicted sexual predator"


than

ETA, reread what you were saying, so had missed the part that he didn't have a residual loyalty from beforehand.

Changed my previous post.
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But it's all OK, as Andrew reckons he saw nothing untoward at Epstein's place. That foot massage that Andrew got from the young Russian woman was totally legit.
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Old 25th August 2019, 03:41 AM   #663
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But it's all OK, as Andrew reckons he saw nothing untoward at Epstein's place. That foot massage that Andrew got from the young Russian woman was totally legit.
Yes, I can just imagine the conversation,

"Your Highness there's this billionaire who wants to meet you and is giving a party, he's just got out of jail, but I thought it impolite to ask what it was for, do you want to meet him? There will be lots of girls young enough to be your granddaughters"
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Yes, I can just imagine the conversation,

"Your Highness there's this billionaire who wants to meet you and is giving a party, he's just got out of jail, but I thought it impolite to ask what it was for, do you want to meet him? There will be lots of girls young enough to be your granddaughters"
...And you can even meet your old friend Ghislaine Maxwell. You know, Uncle Bob-bob-bob's daughter. You know, the guy who wiped out the Daily Mirror's pension funds, hiding behind wall after wall of '9999' Nick Leeson-type accounts purportedly propping it up? That one.

Come on, you must remember. She introduced you to that 17-year old chick who claims to have slept with you at least three times. You know, the one in the photo with you with your arm around her waist? That one?


Andrew says he knows nu-uuthing.
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It's actually worse than it first seems. He met Epstein after Epstein was released after being convicted. Whether he had seen anything or not he knew Epstein was a convicted sex offender at that point so before he decided to meet him.
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Yes, I can just imagine the conversation,

"Your Highness there's this billionaire who wants to meet you and is giving a party, he's just got out of jail, but I thought it impolite to ask what it was for, do you want to meet him? There will be lots of girls young enough to be your granddaughters"
Ah, Andrew did first meet Epstein in 1999

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49411215

So he wasn't convicted before meeting him. However, Andrew still met him after his release from prison, so it hardly exonerates Andrew.
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Ah, Andrew did first meet Epstein in 1999

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49411215

So he wasn't convicted before meeting him. However, Andrew still met him after his release from prison, so it hardly exonerates Andrew.
Just the opposite, I'd have said.
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French Cops Appeal for Victims and Witnesses to Come Forward (Daily Beast, Sep. 11, 2019)

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The Paris prosecutor's office said three victims who have already come forward were interviewed by investigators in August and earlier this month, the last as recently as Monday.
French police appeal for victims, witnesses in Jeffrey Epstein case (France24, Sep. 11, 2019)
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