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Old 25th August 2019, 08:10 AM   #1401
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I like the status quo myself. Men and women in separate restrooms and dressing rooms. If it says you are a man or a woman on your birth certificate or if your appearance would suggest a gender then you must use the facilities that other people identify with. If you an intact man going into the ladies room or girls room is wrong.

It depends on the type of genitalia a person has.
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Old 25th August 2019, 12:27 PM   #1402
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I'm assuming that one side of the room had sinks, with mirrors above the sinks. The other side of the room had a row of changing cubicles. The intended use of the changing cubicles was to keep your clothes on when not in the cubicle. If you open the door intentionally when your clothes are off, you're flashing.
It's a weird design.
I think designing changing rooms where the mirrors are parallel to the changing cubicles is not the best design and causes problems.

The design should have the sinks and mirrors perpendicular to the cubicles.

The last 2 swimming pools I visited here in the UK were designed like that. It could stop the 'mirror' vagueness.

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Old 25th August 2019, 12:37 PM   #1403
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
Maybe p0lka is also two and thinks female peeping toms are as common as male flashers..
I'm 50, I dont think either of them are common.

But I wouldn't rule out 'female peeping toms' like you are doing, just because you haven't met any yet.
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Old 25th August 2019, 12:46 PM   #1404
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
I like the status quo myself. Men and women in separate restrooms and dressing rooms. If it says you are a man or a woman on your birth certificate or if your appearance would suggest a gender then you must use the facilities that other people identify with. If you an intact man going into the ladies room or girls room is wrong.

It depends on the type of genitalia a person has.
genitaelia genetalia, its moved on.
It's now all about mirrors and changing room design, please do try to keep up
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Old 26th August 2019, 12:36 AM   #1405
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
It's a weird design.
I think designing changing rooms where the mirrors are parallel to the changing cubicles is not the best design and causes problems.

The design should have the sinks and mirrors perpendicular to the cubicles.

The last 2 swimming pools I visited here in the UK were designed like that. It could stop the 'mirror' vagueness.
If there are plenty of cubicles and sinks then that design would lead to a lot of wasted floor space. Think about it.

I can't tell if you're just joshing here, trolling-lite as it were.
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Old 26th August 2019, 01:21 AM   #1406
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
It's a weird design.
I think designing changing rooms where the mirrors are parallel to the changing cubicles is not the best design and causes problems.

The design should have the sinks and mirrors perpendicular to the cubicles.

The last 2 swimming pools I visited here in the UK were designed like that. It could stop the 'mirror' vagueness.
Ideally you would just have mirrors in the cubicles
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Old 26th August 2019, 02:26 PM   #1407
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
If there are plenty of cubicles and sinks then that design would lead to a lot of wasted floor space. Think about it.

I can't tell if you're just joshing here, trolling-lite as it were.
I disagree, I think it would optimise space.
Rectangular room,
make the short sides of the room sinks and mirrors , then make the cubicles in long lines going from short side to other short side so that the doors are perpendicular to the mirrors, job done.
no one is using 'plausible deniability' peeking or flashing at anyone in mirrors anymore.

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Old 26th August 2019, 05:25 PM   #1408
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
If there are plenty of cubicles and sinks then that design would lead to a lot of wasted floor space. Think about it.

I can't tell if you're just joshing here, trolling-lite as it were.
as an aside, can you stop doing that.
if you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is 'trolling', then you are setting yourself up to cease learning, whilst being snobby and looking down your nose at everything too.
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Old 26th August 2019, 08:21 PM   #1409
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
I like the status quo myself......


Way too simple and perfect. In fact this method has been working since - a long long time ago. It must be stopped now!
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Old 3rd September 2019, 04:17 AM   #1410
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A nice little fracas emerges in polite New Zealand

She said while trans people were vulnerable and "justly" claiming their right to equal treatment, the free speech of those who opposed "male-bodied trans women" entering "female-only spaces" was being shut down with accusations of hate speech.

The article was taken down after a about week, following a series of complaints by members.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12264492

My view is asymmetry is sancrosanct. In boxing, horse racing and dog fights it is best said
"a good big'un always beats a good little'un"

Why not just let the women in society claim their rights to not be beaten.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 06:07 AM   #1411
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A nice little fracas emerges in polite New Zealand

She said while trans people were vulnerable and "justly" claiming their right to equal treatment, the free speech of those who opposed "male-bodied trans women" entering "female-only spaces" was being shut down with accusations of hate speech.

The article was taken down after a about week, following a series of complaints by members.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12264492

My view is asymmetry is sancrosanct. In boxing, horse racing and dog fights it is best said
"a good big'un always beats a good little'un"

Why not just let the women in society claim their rights to not be beaten.
Probably because a lot of the trans activists and their allies enjoy beating women.
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Old 5th September 2019, 07:11 PM   #1412
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A nice little fracas emerges in polite New Zealand.
I'll take bizarre obscurantia held in common by Green Party NZ and Atheists Community of Austin for $500.
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Old 6th September 2019, 11:09 AM   #1413
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Transwoman viciously beaten after using women's public restroom in Oregon. Her attacker broke her jaw after confronting her nearly an hour after she dared to use a women's bathroom in a public park. The man has been charged with felony hate crime in connection with the assault.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/201...ourishing.html

Right wing rag The Federalist already out in force carrying water for this violent psychopath, explaining that it is rational to fear men in women's restrooms.
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Old 6th September 2019, 11:51 AM   #1414
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Transwoman viciously beaten after using women's public restroom in Oregon. Her attacker broke her jaw after confronting her nearly an hour after she dared to use a women's bathroom in a public park. The man has been charged with felony hate crime in connection with the assault.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/201...ourishing.html

Right wing rag The Federalist already out in force carrying water for this violent psychopath, explaining that it is rational to fear men in women's restrooms.
Here is the Federalist article.
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Old 8th September 2019, 05:17 PM   #1415
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That's really bad. So by inference if someone was beaten up by a sociopathic thug because they ran a red light, we should make it legal for everyone to run red lights?
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Old 8th September 2019, 06:28 PM   #1416
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That's really bad. So by inference if someone was beaten up by a sociopathic thug because they ran a red light, we should make it legal for everyone to run red lights?
where did the assumption of the light being red come from?

Isn't that like that poisoning the well expression.
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Old 9th September 2019, 02:26 AM   #1417
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Is it rational to run red lights? Is it rational to use a bathroom? Who risks getting hurt in the two cases?
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Old 9th September 2019, 03:06 AM   #1418
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Is it rational to run red lights? Is it rational to use a bathroom? Who risks getting hurt in the two cases?
Rolfe has spent the entire thread explaining why she has problems with males using the female bathroom.

You may disagree with her position, but don't pretend she hasn't expressed it.
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Old 9th September 2019, 04:16 AM   #1419
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You obviously disagree with my position, but I would like to see her take her own comparison with running a red light seriously. I can't be bothered about how you interpret it.
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Old 9th September 2019, 05:54 AM   #1420
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You obviously disagree with my position, but I would like to see her take her own comparison with running a red light seriously. I can't be bothered about how you interpret it.
I'm not actually sure I do disagree with your position. As to your questions:
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Is it rational to run red lights? Is it rational to use a bathroom? Who risks getting hurt in the two cases?
Is it rational to run red lights? That's an odd question. Sometimes it probably is, but we still need to prohibit it. Is it good for society to prohibit running red lights? Yes.

Is it rational to use a bathroom? Of course. Is it rational to segregate bathrooms based on gender rather than sex? That seems like a more meaningful question, though, again "rational" is an odd choice of metric. I'd rather inquire into whether it's good for society as whole, since we as a society have to make these decisions. And that seems to be the question that's been under discussion for a great deal of this thread.

As to "who risks getting hurt in the two cases?" With respect to the person running the red light, both that person and others on the road are at risk. With respect to bathrooms, the situation actually seems to be similar.

Anyway, I'm commenting on your questions now. My last post was simply a comment on the framing which seemed to ignore Rolfe's entire posting history in this thread.
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