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Old 11th September 2019, 09:54 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
This fits the rules as far as I am concerned.
You are not applying the standards as described by the Darwin Awards. If you want to claim that this guy wins a People that Matthew Best Thinks Are Gits for Dying, go ahead. But this is unambiguously not a Darwin Award candidate because of the push. And nobody cares about what you think the rules should be but aren't actually.
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Old 11th September 2019, 10:16 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You are not applying the standards as described by the Darwin Awards.
Those are the rules of the Darwin Awards.
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Old 11th September 2019, 10:22 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
This fits the rules as far as I am concerned.

1. Out of gene pool - check.
2. Misapplication of judgment - check
3. Cause one's own demise - check
4. Capable of sound judgment - check
5. Event is true - check.

Person A does something to person B, ergo person B was the cause of it? I hate the over-used phrase 'victim blaming' but in this case it seems to fit.
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Old 11th September 2019, 10:25 AM   #44
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And where was the misapplication of judgement?

Does the guy who gets pushed in front of a moving subway car get dinged for a misapplication of judgement? Even though there must be thousands of people safely using that platform every day?

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ETA: This feels more like the guy was wrong to be endorsing a bull run in the first place, so he deserves the blame for any misfortune that befalls him.

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Old 11th September 2019, 12:07 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Those are the rules of the Darwin Awards.
And you're applying them incorrectly.

BTW, that death also fails the uncommon excellence requirement.
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I tried to warn Matthew Best but he wouldn't have it. This is such a glaring misinterpretation of the qualifiers that it needs to have it's own award.

As I hinted, and theprestige has suggested, this smacks more being anti-bull run.
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Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
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Old 12th September 2019, 02:19 AM   #48
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Who died?
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Old 12th September 2019, 02:39 AM   #49
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And where was the misapplication of judgement?
Hello? He was a spectator at a bull run!
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Old 12th September 2019, 04:16 AM   #50
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Hello? He was a spectator at a bull run!
The actual rule is "The candidate must suffer an astounding lapse of judgment."

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It takes a phenomenal failure of common sense to earn a Darwin Award. Common idiocies like Russian Roulette, not wearing a lifejacket, sleeping with a smoldering cigarette: such are not sufficient to win this dubious distinction. OTOH playing Russian Roulette with land mines(ref) jumping on a whale carcass in a shark feeding frenzy(ref) or sneaking a cigarette while hanging off the back of a speeding bus(ref)...just might win you a Darwin Award.
Merely being one of the spectators at a bull run clearly doesn't make the cut, if playing Russian Roulette doesn't.
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Old 12th September 2019, 07:29 AM   #51
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Merely being one of the spectators at a bull run clearly doesn't make the cut, if playing Russian Roulette doesn't.
In fact, even being one of the runners at a bull run won't cut it. What would it take? From the official website:
"If you are gored to death during the "Running of the Bulls" while riding naked in a shopping cart piloted by your drunken friend, you are a candidate for a Darwin Award."
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Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
I think the rope (which you can spot near the end of the video) was just held by someone walking alongside the rider. So, it wasn't as reckless as it might have seemed at first. But, still pretty impressive (and a little stupid, but not Darwin Award stupid).

Edit: if the person holding the rope somehow got killed during the stunt, that might qualify.

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Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
Yeah, I suppose, if taking a rational precaution is "cheating". Kinda like how tightrope walkers or trapeze artists who use nets are "cheating"?
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Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
Originally Posted by jadebox View Post
I think the rope (which you can spot near the end of the video) was just held by someone walking alongside the rider. So, it wasn't as reckless as it might have seemed at first. But, still pretty impressive (and a little stupid, but not Darwin Award stupid).

Edit: if the person holding the rope somehow got killed during the stunt, that might qualify.
Thanks for pointing that out. I must have missed the rope when I saw the video, and didn't really consider that they were probably doing something like that. I did pause to wonder if they might be wearing a parachute, but a rope would probably be more practical. I'd want several strong men to be holding that rope, not just one guy.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Yeah, I suppose, if taking a rational precaution is "cheating". Kinda like how tightrope walkers or trapeze artists who use nets are "cheating"?

The difference is that the net is visible to everyone. In this case the rope is not easily visible.
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Old 21st September 2019, 03:28 PM   #56
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Man drowns during underwater marriage proposal


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An American man has drowned while proposing to his girlfriend underwater on holiday in Tanzania.

Steven Weber and his girlfriend, Kenesha Antoine, were staying in a submerged cabin at the Manta Resort, off Pemba Island.

Footage shows Mr Weber diving under water to ask Ms Antoine to marry him.

In the video, Mr Weber presses a hand-written proposal note against the cabin window as Ms Antoine films from inside.

Ms Antoine, confirming Mr Weber's death in a Facebook post, said he "never emerged from those depths".
Ooops.
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Is that a Darwin award, or just bad luck? Doesn't that kind of depend on the cause of death? Diving underwater isn't by itself remarkable, and I don't see why the proposal added significant risk. So what about it makes it award worthy?
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I'm always quite happy to see a dead raccoon. I hate those things.
Wow, wonder what your feelings were watching the Guardian of the Galaxies movies and the last two Avenger movies?
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Idiiots and explosives always scare me;probably a lot more then the average person.
Having been a Redleg ...Artilleryman..in the US Army has a lot to do with that.
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Is that a Darwin award, or just bad luck? Doesn't that kind of depend on the cause of death? Diving underwater isn't by itself remarkable, and I don't see why the proposal added significant risk. So what about it makes it award worthy?
I would suggest that since diving under water is not, by itself, remarkable, and since the couple involved were already obviously a couple, renting an underwater vacation cabin and all, a person who manages to drown (presuming that he was not eaten by a shark or something) is worthy of a Darwin award for undertaking an unnecessarily dramatic romantic task for which he was, quite clearly, not suited.
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"An Isis fighter was killed by his own drone bomb when the hapless jihadi forgot to charge the device's batteries - sending it straight back to him when its power ran low."

We learned this idiot had wired up his drone with explosives but was killed when its batteries ran low and it flew home."

"With a weak signal for some reason it detonated over his head."
Don't know if that one's true but a similar incident did happen in Afghanistan in 2001. A JTAC attached to a group of US special forces and Afghan security forces inadvertently called down a 2000lb JDAM (a GPS-guided bomb) onto his own position when he changed his designator unit's batteries. The unit was programmed to reinitialise with its own GPS coordinates on a battery change. That does seem rather a significant design flaw in a unit supposed to be used for directing very large lumps of free falling high explosive.

Maybe the jihadi's GPS thingy reinitialised with it's own position too?
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I would suggest that since diving under water is not, by itself, remarkable, and since the couple involved were already obviously a couple, renting an underwater vacation cabin and all, a person who manages to drown (presuming that he was not eaten by a shark or something) is worthy of a Darwin award for undertaking an unnecessarily dramatic romantic task for which he was, quite clearly, not suited.
Without a cause of death, it's not at all clear that he was unsuited to what he was doing.

I'll give you an example. Scuba diving is a fairly safe activity. There's some risk, but it's not that high. And it's certainly well within the ordinary risks that people willingly take in order to do something fun, and which the Darwin Awards specifically says doesn't qualify.

But if you get a pneumothorax (collapsed lung) while you're scuba diving, that can kill you, quick. There's almost nothing that can be done if you develop one under water (there's lots you can do and much less danger on dry land), and they can occur spontaneously. So if someone dies of a pneumothorax while scuba diving, that's not a Darwin award. That's just bad luck.

Now I'm not saying I think this guy died of a pneumothorax. I've got no idea how he died. But that's sort of the point: without that knowledge, there's no way we can evaluate his qualifications for the award.
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Don't know if that one's true but a similar incident did happen in Afghanistan in 2001. A JTAC attached to a group of US special forces and Afghan security forces inadvertently called down a 2000lb JDAM (a GPS-guided bomb) onto his own position when he changed his designator unit's batteries. The unit was programmed to reinitialise with its own GPS coordinates on a battery change. That does seem rather a significant design flaw in a unit supposed to be used for directing very large lumps of free falling high explosive.

Maybe the jihadi's GPS thingy reinitialised with it's own position too?
Modern commercial and retail drones literally "return to base" when their battery power drops below a certain level. With the really expensive models, it calculates how much battery power it needs to get back from where it is to where it was launched from, and when that level is reached, it ignores further RC inputs and heads for home.
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No. Whether or not it's stupid to be a spectator at a bull run, it still fails the self-selection test because of the push.

He self-selected by being there in the first place.

The same thing could be said of someone who was pushed into traffic on a city street.
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Putting this here because I don't know where else to put it.

Boyfriends Sued Over Man’s Death From Silicone Genital Injections
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Boyfriends Sued Over Manís Death From Silicone Genital Injections
Maybe in the thread in which we discussed the case?
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Ah, missed that one. Last post was in May, so it's fallen well off the front page since then. My only thought was, my god, how stupid can you get? So I thought in terms of Darwin Award.

As to the mother's lawsuit, I don't know if she has a good case. Her son was a grown man, and free to make his own choices, however foolish they might be.

However, she might have grounds if what he did was illegal. Just as if his dom had given him a lethal dose of illegal drugs.

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The five men worked hard to make their bodies as large as possible, lifting weights for multiple hours a day and eating vast amounts. In pursuit of a sexual fetish for huge genitals, they would inject their penises and testicles with saline to temporarily enlarge them. They would later graduate to using silicone to permanently engorge their genitals. The latter procedure is both illegal and dangerous, and it proved lethal for Tank. He died of a pulmonary embolism induced by his injections in October 2018.

Dylan never notified Linda or Ben Chapman of Tankís illness, hospitalization, or death, according to the complaint, and he presented himself as having legal authority over Tankís remains, which were cremated. Tank spent a week in the hospital, part of it in a coma, but his mother would not learn of his fate until a week after his death, the complaint states.
Say for example, that a dom and a sub are engaging in consensual breath play. The dom accidentally kills the sub. Would that not be some kind of homicide? At least manslaughter. Certain extreme fetishes are inherently dangerous.
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See if this potential Darwin worthy anecdote from my youth gets a chuckle -

Two of my older brother's more intelligent friends, let's call them Mutt & Jeff because I've forgotten their real names, were low on drug money and exploring their options when Mutt had an idea. Seems Mutt's aunt had a vacation cabin in The Sierra Nevada which apparently had some high-end stereo equipment in it. They would drive to the mountains and burglarize the cabin.

Once they arrived at the cabin, Mutt tells Jeff to wait in the car and be the look out. That was the last time Mutt was seen alive. Jeff searched for Mutt but gave up when night fell and the temperature dropped into the teens. Jeff abandoned Mutt, drove back to Sacramento and told Mutt's parents, who reported him missing to the authorities.

Mutt's body was found stuck in the chimney at his Aunt's cabin. Apparently he tried breaking into the cabin by going in that way. Head first. He froze to death.
It's happened again:
Body of missing Ohio teen found wedged inside chimney
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I blame Santa Claus.
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That's pretty sad. Poor child.
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I think the real problem is that chimneys should have small exit holes, that are too small for a person to get in. If they are made unusable then this should be done at the exit.

If the above had been done that this teen would still be alive.
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Old 17th January 2020, 12:51 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
I think the real problem is that chimneys should have small exit holes, that are too small for a person to get in. If they are made unusable then this should be done at the exit.

If the above had been done that this teen would still be alive.
Or a sign mounted at the top of the chimney.

"Death is watching and will take anyone who enters this hole."
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Perfect Darwin - removing himself from the gene pool before breeding.
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Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
That's pretty sad. Poor child.
Way back when, I used to follow the Darwin awards pretty closely. But then they started to get depressing and I stopped.
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I agree, a chimney would be best capped in a way that a stupid person cannot climb down it in the first place, but there is always the possibility that a person of sufficient stupidity might open it up anyway.

I once lived in a truly colonial Connecticut house whose chimney was so capacious that a mason repointed it inside by being lowered down inside on a rope. And he was not a thin man. Even so, like most such chimneys it had a smoke shelf, so that one could not get all the way down it. He had to go up the rope to get out.

Maybe one of the basic items of early education should be on how chimneys are made. Challenge them to understand why you can have a fire when it rains. People who live in houses with chimneys should invite their kids to look up them. If you can't see the sky from below you can't reach the bottom from above!
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Way back when, I used to follow the Darwin awards pretty closely. But then they started to get depressing and I stopped.
Well, I must confess I never found them as hilarious as some people seem to, but I fail to see much depressing about them. Person X dying because person Y ran him over on the sidewalk is tragic. Person X dying because he jumped onto a highway to moon incoming traffic (which actually happened) is reassuringly delaying the inevitable onset of the idiocracy Or person X dying because some roof beam collapsed and he ended up wedged somewhere while repairing the roof is tragic. Person X dying because she's a cougar who can't live without her ex-boytoy and decides to tresspass and attempt breaking and entering by climbing down his chimney (again, actually happened; scratch one more to chimneys) is just good riddance.

And honestly I feel that the same standard should be (and with the exception of a few cases IS the standard) in litigation too. A few juries seem to go out of their way to award money to idiots who indirectly inflicted self harm, just out of pity that the poor old gal can't afford the medical bills or other sympathy-related reasons. Well, maybe vote for universal health care then, not decide to play Robin Hood.
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Well, I must confess I never found them as hilarious as some people seem to, but I fail to see much depressing about them.
What I find depressing is that so many people seem to find them hilarious.
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"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." Mel Brooks

But I see where you're coming from. The internet has sadly ruined any delusions I may have had about human empathy.
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The guy getting trapped in the chimney while he was trying to burgle the house, and his mate running away rather than rescuing him, had a certain macabre humour. A child becoming trapped in a chimney while exploring an abandoned house and dying slowly of thirst while trapped isn't funny in the slightest.
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