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Old 15th June 2018, 02:14 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Planigale View Post
Interesting. There is a an element that one allergy can stimulate the immune system non specifically, and what were low level allergies become significant; given several months (the half life of circulating antibodies is several weeks) of avoiding the primary allergen then the levels of antibodies to other allergens will fall. A second phenomena is that constant exposure can sometimes be better than intermittent, one way of treating severe aspirin sensitivity is to give daily aspirin, this prevents a life threatening reaction. A recent trial in England involved feeding babies of peanut sensitive parents daily peanut mush this prevented the babies developing peanut allergy. (In W. Africa peanut mush is a favoured weaning food and peanut allergy is very rare.)

A very similar way of treating peanut allergy is being developed: Successful clinical trial for peanut allergy treatment spreads hope (Mar. 7. 2018). I'm happy that my own peanut allergy isn't as extreme as some cases are: I've never had to worry about the "May contain traces of ..." warnings!
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Old 15th June 2018, 04:39 PM   #122
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Each one feels like a small bite or an itch. When I walked into a dusty office it felt like a cloud of tiny bites rising up around my legs from the carpet.

In a bedroom with mites, I could feel the bites all over.

It is very difficult to get rid of dust mites. I know how to do it now. The usual tactics did not work when they are in the bedding, the carpets, the pillows and the curtains. And in the roof spaces coming in through the cracks.
You do know these mites don't fly through the air towards you when you walk in to a room?
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Old 15th June 2018, 04:41 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post

I was losing my hair in front and suspected demodectic mites in the hair follicles. Again, I could feel them at night when they come out to mate.
Of course you could.

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Of course you don't
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Old 15th June 2018, 06:44 PM   #124
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The "non-standard" method that I discovered myself is to use finely powered boric acid on everything. It kills the dust mites within minutes.

I was losing my hair in front and suspected demodectic mites in the hair follicles. Again, I could feel them at night when they come out to mate.

I tried using Australian tea tree oil. First 20% then 100%. I even put it full strength on my eyelashes (with care). A favorite place for them. It did not help.

It took about a week of powdering myself with boric acid powder before bed time to get rid of them. And I stopped losing my hair! You can scoff all you like. I have stopped going bald, and even reversed the front and top patches.

I do not need double blind scientific tests. I know I am a dust mite detector, and my "cure" works. On this, you can test me if you want to pay for it.
You are not qualified to make this self-diagnosis.
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Old 16th June 2018, 12:00 AM   #125
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I was losing my hair in front and suspected demodectic mites in the hair follicles. Again, I could feel them at night when they come out to mate.

It must be due to the excessive speed when they move about - and probably mate, as well:

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The mites can leave the hair follicles and slowly walk around on the skin, at a speed of 8–16 mm (0.31–0.63 in) per hour, especially at night, as they try to avoid light.
D. folliculorum and D. brevis (Wikipedia)

I can recommend the Danish novel by Sven Holm, Syg og munter (Sick and Happy), about a guy who suffers from acarophobia, which, by the way, is a condition for which there is a treatment:
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"In many cases, the individual might not realize they have the phobia. Depending on how serious the phobia is, the thought that they might have it does not cross their minds and they might even think their fear is normal. Having a fear of something to the point where it causes the symptoms mentioned above, is not normal and should not be something someone goes through every time they encounter a small bug or insect."
https://www.empowher.com/community/s...at-acarophobia

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Old 16th June 2018, 01:13 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Do you really think that an increase in radiation actually benefits humans?
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I do not need double blind scientific tests.
As usual you are assuming that your instinct/common sense/subjective experiences are giving you the right answer, without bothering to check or even seeing any need to check. History suggests that making such an assumption is inadvisable, to put it mildly, as every scientist who ever contributed to humanity's precious store of verified knowledge and understanding would tell you if you curtailed your arrogance long enough to listen.
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Old 17th June 2018, 05:10 AM   #127
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Court case in Denmark right now. Usædvanlig retssag: Jettes el-allergi kostede hende jobbet (Ekstra Bladet, May 31, 2018) "Unusual court case: Jette lost her job due to electro allergy."

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Hun mener, hun lider af stråleoverfølsomhed – også kaldet EHS, og at hun ikke kan tåle strålerne fra blandt andet wi-fi, smartphones og den mobilmast, der står i nærheden af huset.
A-kassen mener, at Jette Paulsen er for syg til at passe et arbejde.
Men i kommunen mener man ikke, at hun er syg, da EHS ikke er en anerkendt sygdom i Danmark. Derfor vil de ikke give hende sygedagpenge.
Jette går forrest i principiel retssag: For syg til at arbejde, men for rask til at få hjælp (DR, Jun. 1. 2018)

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She thinks that she suffers from hypersensitivity to electromagnetic radiation - also called EHS, and that she can't tolerate the rays from, among other things, wi-fi, smart phones and the cell phone tower near her house. The unemployment benefit office thinks that Jette Paulsen is too ill to have a job.
But at the municipal office they don't think that she is ill since EHS is not a recognized disease in Denmark so they won't give her sick pay.
Jette is at the forefront in important court case: Too ill to work, but too healthy to receive benefits

I wrote this article in 2011: E-sans for viderekomne – en populær vrangforestilling (Dansk Skeptica, Apr. 7, 2011) "Advanced 'e sense' - a popular delusion"
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Old 17th June 2018, 06:06 PM   #128
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You do know these mites don't fly through the air towards you when you walk in to a room?
Someone may have pointed this out already but dust mites also don't bite people.
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This thread reminds me of Better Call Saul. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

The condition, even if of psychosomatic origin, seems very debilitating, even dangerous. I won't spoil anything for those who haven't seen the show or aren't up to date with it, but it can lead to tragic results in extreme cases. If someone feels that it is real for them, no amount of logic or argument will convince them otherwise.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Someone may have pointed this out already but dust mites also don't bite people.
True. The allergy is actually to their faeces, AIUI.
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It's not "think" ....there are studies in high natural background radiation areas that support it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477686/

and here's a mind bender from that

And they have ruled out any other factors from the Chernobyl cleanup guys? Like choosing healthy individuals to start with. The wimps got sick before they were even sent?

It is one thing when an industry tells people there is no danger using biased studies. It is another kettle of fish when an industry promotes the dangers as benefits.
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It's not "think" ....there are studies in high natural background radiation areas that support it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477686/

and here's a mind bender from that

I just read through the ncbi article. I am stunned and gobsmacked.

Do you believe this concept? If I sold you some radium and told you to keep it in your pants pocket to ward off prostate cancer, would you buy it? (The radium and the concept? )

What is the mechanism? They offer nothing at all in this regard. Just data that has been "normalised".

Have people been "degraded" intellectually so that they are "happy zombies" who have no stress and therefore are healthier?

BTW. Thank you for the article. I can use it in my fight against the tower. This at least is intelligent debate.
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You do know these mites don't fly through the air towards you when you walk in to a room?

Ever heard of Brownian motion? Do you think that dust mites in the air remain stationary? And when one walks on a carpet and acquires an electrostatic charge, do you think it might attract some mites?

If the air above a dusty carpet is filled with mites and whose density falls off with height, then walking into such a room would be like wading into a sea filled with stinging little creatures. I can feel the density. High just above my ankle and low just below my knees.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Of course you could.



Of course you don't

Glad you finally agree with me. Oh wait, maybe you are being sarcastic!
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Do you think that dust mites in the air remain stationary?
Do you think that dust mites can fly?
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Court case in Denmark right now. Usædvanlig retssag: Jettes el-allergi kostede hende jobbet (Ekstra Bladet, May 31, 2018) "Unusual court case: Jette lost her job due to electro allergy."

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I wrote this article in 2011: E-sans for viderekomne – en populær vrangforestilling (Dansk Skeptica, Apr. 7, 2011) "Advanced 'e sense' - a popular delusion"

The problem with low grade long-term health risks is that any effects are going to be subtle. One cannot measure the status of an immune system or degradation of thought processes. One can only measure the secondary effects such as cancers and autism, and then do statistical studies with a control group.

In the case of cell phone towers, it is becoming almost impossible to find a control group. If the health of the general population declines, then it can be attributed to a range of environmental toxins and pollutants.

It could also be coincidence that the symptoms appear at the same time as the cell tower. I also accept that fear of cell radiation could be a powerful "sickening" agent.

Can I argue that my "fear" of cell radiation is "real" and therefore the tower is a health hazard?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Do you think that dust mites can fly?

There are thousands of dust mites per square inch. Do you think that they crawl everywhere?

Are they not the same size and weight as pollen?
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True. The allergy is actually to their faeces, AIUI.

I do not disagree with the fact that they do not "bite". I am describing the feeling coming from one. It is half bite, half itch.

My skin is so sensitive that I could feel the eye doctor drop a contact lens onto my jeans, and tell him where it was.

I never had the mite sensitivity before a very dusty house in Brooklyn NY that had squirrels living in the walls and ceiling spaces.

I bet you that if you were living when the Big Bang was postulated you would have scoffed. After all, how could a gigantic universe come from a single point? And everyone "knew" that the universe was eternal.
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Thank you for the article. I can use it in my fight against the tower. This at least is intelligent debate.

Are you sure that you read it?
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
I bet you that if you were living when the Big Bang was postulated you would have scoffed. After all, how could a gigantic universe come from a single point? And everyone "knew" that the universe was eternal.
I'm the one that goes wherever the objective evidence points, remember? You're the one that scoffs at anything that appears to contradict what instinct tells them regardless of the objective evidence.
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ust read through the ncbi article. I am stunned and gobsmacked.

Do you believe this concept? If I sold you some radium and told you to keep it in your pants pocket to ward off prostate cancer, would you buy it? (The radium and the concept? )

What is the mechanism? They offer nothing at all in this regard. Just data that has been "normalised".

Have people been "degraded" intellectually so that they are "happy zombies" who have no stress and therefore are healthier?

BTW. Thank you for the article. I can use it in my fight against the tower. This at least is intelligent debate.
you haven't got a clue....am I afraid of radiation? ....no ....we evolved in it, billions of particles sleet through us every moment.

I have no need to 'beleive" ...I just follow the evidence. .....that you are gobsmacked is no surprise ....you seem to have a very faint grasp of the physical reality you live in .

....maybe some therapy is useful for your irrational fears.

Exposure to radium is not a good idea...perhaps you should do some reading



This is a science forum .....a certain level of knowledge is expected...

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I bet you that if you were living when the Big Bang was postulated you would have scoffed. After all, how could a gigantic universe come from a single point? And everyone "knew" that the universe was eternal.
Well, science goes with the evidence, wherever it leads. It doesn't decide on the conclusion it wants then cherry pick evidence or make it up to get there.
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I bet you that if you were living when the Big Bang was postulated you would have scoffed. After all, how could a gigantic universe come from a single point? And everyone "knew" that the universe was eternal.
They laughed at Galileo, but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. Which are you?

Come up with a theory as robust as the Big Bang Theory, and then we'll talk about the scoffing. Right now, you don't even have enough material for a pilot.
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