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Old 11th February 2019, 03:06 PM   #1881
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Old enough to wear the MAGA hat making a political message I say you're old enough to get slapped upside the head.
You support political violence

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Old 11th February 2019, 04:31 PM   #1882
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
You support political violence

Congrats
Trump has been the great clarifier in this regard.
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:02 PM   #1883
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
Old enough to wear the MAGA hat making a political message I say you're old enough to get slapped upside the head.
Absolutely. No MAGA hat wearer is a real American. They get what they deserve. Nits grow into lice. A kid wearing a MAGA hat today is a traitor tomorrow. Their future is a sacrifice the Republic can well survive.
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Old 12th February 2019, 06:16 AM   #1884
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Absolutely. No MAGA hat wearer is a real American. They get what they deserve. Nits grow into lice. A kid wearing a MAGA hat today is a traitor tomorrow. Their future is a sacrifice the Republic can well survive.
Yep and of course you know never to judge someone for their proud association with racists either.
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Old 12th February 2019, 07:47 AM   #1885
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Absolutely. No MAGA hat wearer is a real American. They get what they deserve. Nits grow into lice. A kid wearing a MAGA hat today is a traitor tomorrow. Their future is a sacrifice the Republic can well survive.

Curious if you'd like to go into detail on this. What, precisely, does someone deserve and what of theirs is to be sacrificed should they choose to wear the hat in question?
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Old 12th February 2019, 07:58 AM   #1886
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Absolutely. No MAGA hat wearer is a real American. They get what they deserve. Nits grow into lice. A kid wearing a MAGA hat today is a traitor tomorrow. Their future is a sacrifice the Republic can well survive.
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Old 12th February 2019, 08:03 AM   #1887
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Assuming the first are correct (I have no reason to doubt them), #3 does not necessarily follow.

After all, this is the realm of politics. Even in a system of many parties, as in my own country, I don't think I will ever find a party that I agree 100% with.

I can't imagine that even a large part of the US population agrees 100% with either Trump or Hillary Clinton. So most people have chosen the side they think works best for them, currently. Especially as they know that it will be for at most 8 years.

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Sam Besekow, Jewish theatre guy, told the story from the 1930s about his landlady in Berlin (I could be wrong; it may have been another German city), who invited him to come with her to a Nazi rally. When he declined, telling her that he was a Jew, she said, "But we'll only be so pleased to have one of your kind present!" Not because she expected him to become a victim of Nazi violence, but because she was genuinely ignorant about what National Socialism was all about.
There actually are people like that in the world, but that level of ignorance is still quite impressive. There can't be that many high-school students left nowadays who don't know that Trump has sided with and is favored by white supremacists.
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Old 12th February 2019, 08:26 AM   #1888
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Curious if you'd like to go into detail on this. What, precisely, does someone deserve and what of theirs is to be sacrificed should they choose to wear the hat in question?
I think you missed the sarcasm.
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Old 12th February 2019, 08:35 AM   #1889
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I think you missed the sarcasm.
I don't think Craig4 was being at all sarcastic. Are you unfamiliar with his prior calls for violence against political opponents?
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Old 12th February 2019, 08:40 AM   #1890
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I don't think Craig4 was being at all sarcastic. Are you unfamiliar with his prior calls for violence against political opponents?
I am indeed, actually. The post was so over the top that I assumed it was a Cain-like jab at extremists. Let's see what Craig has to say about it.
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Old 12th February 2019, 09:05 AM   #1891
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This thread makes me sad.

Whether left or right, pro Trump or anti Trump, GOP or not, couldn't we at least agree that truth matters?

The story of the Covington kids was a lie, from start to finish. The OP of this thread reflects the majority of press coverage at the time that the OP was written, but that OP is riddled with falsehoods. As self proclaimed skeptics, we ought to be concerned with the way those lies were spread, and how so many people, including people here who ought to have known better, were duped by those lies.

If you hate Donald Trump, and would like to prevent another one just as bad, study the ways of the media that got him elected. Make no mistake. Donald Trump needed CNN to get elected, and he needed the very people who are calling teenagers traitors in this thread. He couldn't have done it without you.
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Old 12th February 2019, 09:07 AM   #1892
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
This thread makes me sad.

Whether left or right, pro Trump or anti Trump, GOP or not, couldn't we at least agree that truth matters?
In principle or in practice?
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Old 12th February 2019, 09:16 AM   #1893
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I am indeed, actually. The post was so over the top that I assumed it was a Cain-like jab at extremists. Let's see what Craig has to say about it.

I saw similar statements from the poster on the first two pages of this thread, so I didn't take the recent ones as being at all sarcastic in nature. If the sentiments expressed are indeed genuine I very much would like to hear in the poster's own words what precisely is meant by them.
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Old 12th February 2019, 09:18 AM   #1894
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I don't think Craig4 was being at all sarcastic. Are you unfamiliar with his prior calls for violence against political opponents?
He wasn't. He has made numerous calls for violence against people who do not adhere to his political viewpoint.
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Old 12th February 2019, 09:18 AM   #1895
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I saw similar statements from the poster on the first two pages of this thread, so I didn't take the recent ones as being at all sarcastic in nature. If the sentiments expressed are indeed genuine I very much would like to hear in the poster's own words what precisely is meant by them.
Venom's post sounds serious to me, but not Craig. I really hope he was joking. Maybe the internet has killed my ability to tell real from fake.
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Old 12th February 2019, 01:15 PM   #1896
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This thread makes me sad.

Whether left or right, pro Trump or anti Trump, GOP or not, couldn't we at least agree that truth matters?
I agree on this. It is sad that all this vitriol can be released by what is essential a non-event.

I perused the 2 hour video ... We have three groups, each trying to promote some agenda. There are some, entirely non-violent, confrontations. All else is hype. Here, in social media ... the press.

Sure, the Black Israelite (or whatever they call themselves) are ... deplorable. But all they did was shout their opinion, which, AFAIK, is legal in the US, and most democratic countries.

There was a group of college students, seeming to be pro- Trump. Hardly surprising, since about half the US population presumably is. They seemed to conduct themselves reasonably.

Then there was a group of what I understand are native Americans. They tried to engage the BI's in discussion (a doomed quest), and some thought that banging a drum and chanting should make a difference. They were obviously mistaken in that, but ... hey! What harm was done?

All else is unwarranted vitriol. So some (presumably unknown) persons threatened some of the college students. That is bad, but the social media are crawling with such people. Certainly, unless some of those can be positively identified as some of those present on that day, that is largely irrelevant.

Then, even here, we have people raving for both sides. ... Please, could we at least TRY to stick to facts?

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I agree on this. It is sad that all this vitriol can be released by what is essential a non-event.

I perused the 2 hour video ... We have three groups, each trying to promote some agenda. There are some, entirely non-violent, confrontations. All else is hype. Here, in social media ... the press.

Sure, the Black Israelite (or whatever they call themselves) are ... deplorable. But all they did was shout their opinion, which, AFAIK, is legal in the US, and most democratic countries.

There was a group of college students, seeming to be pro- Trump. Hardly surprising, since about half the US population presumably is. They seemed to conduct themselves reasonably.

Then there was a group of what I understand are native Americans. They tried to engage the BI's in discussion (a doomed quest), and some thought that banging a drum and chanting should make a difference. They were obviously mistaken in that, but ... hey! What harm was done?

All else is unwarranted vitriol. So some (presumably unknown) persons threatened some of the college students. That is bad, but the social media are crawling with such people. Certainly, unless some of those can be positively identified as some of those present on that day, that is largely irrelevant.

Then, even here, we have people raving for both sides. ... Please, could we at least TRY to stick to facts?

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They were high school kids, and they threatened their high school and their high school was closed for a day or two because the threats were deemed credible....
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They were high school kids, and they threatened their high school and their high school was closed for a day or two because the threats were deemed credible....
Maybe so. But who threatened them?

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Old 12th February 2019, 01:27 PM   #1899
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Maybe so. But who threatened them?

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"maybe so"? Didn't you just get done saying "Please, could we at least TRY to stick to facts?"

Who threatened them? Lots of people and the local sheriff's office has opened a criminal investigation. this has been covered in detail in this thread.
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Old 12th February 2019, 01:55 PM   #1900
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If you hate Donald Trump, and would like to prevent another one just as bad, study the ways of the media that got him elected. Make no mistake. Donald Trump needed CNN to get elected, and he needed the very people who are calling teenagers traitors in this thread. He couldn't have done it without you.
Well, he needed CNN, for sure. And Fox News, NBC, ABC, and CBS for handing him all the free airtime. while ignoring everyone else. And their reward is actual physically being attacked at his rallies, which they'll probably continue to cover like a pack of idiots.

Those of us who, correctly, noted these severe problems, is what he didn't need. *We* noted that he was a white supremacist, petty, vindictive, a business failure, an ignoramus, and a money launderer with mob ties, and we told people that he'd be a horrific president. And we were correct. Those guys posting "this is how I won" memes aren't even smart enough to understand that they're literally calling themselves racist idiots who voted for the worst choice in a hissy fit. They're exactly at the same level as the Black Israelites - not worth talking to.
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Well, he needed CNN, for sure. And Fox News, NBC, ABC, and CBS for handing him all the free airtime. while ignoring everyone else. .
I laughed, and am quite confident the rest of the nonsense that followed was not worth reading. CNN ABC NBC Ignored Hillary Clinton!

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"maybe so"? Didn't you just get done saying "Please, could we at least TRY to stick to facts?"

Who threatened them? Lots of people and the local sheriff's office has opened a criminal investigation. this has been covered in detail in this thread.
But WHO did? The usual madmen on the internet, or anybody connected with the actual event?

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But WHO did? The usual madmen on the internet, or anybody connected with the actual event?

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"He didn’t reveal the exact nature of the threats, only that students and the school were threatened with actual violence."

Exactly who is not easy to say, but I am unaware of threats being made by anyone on the steps that day, if that is what you mean. See also this link for more information.
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An investigation into the viral encounter between students from Covington Catholic High School and a Native American man found the students' accounts to be largely accurate, according to findings released Wednesday.

Greater Cincinnati Investigations issued a report dated Feb. 11 that found no evidence that students from Covington Catholic made “offensive or racist” statements to either Black Hebrew Israelites or Native American tribe members gathered on the National Mall.

"The statements we obtained from students and chaperones are remarkably consistent," the investigators said. “And, the statements are consistent with the videos we reviewed."

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...mpression=true
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Old 13th February 2019, 02:05 PM   #1905
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This thread makes me sad.
ME too
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Whether left or right, pro Trump or anti Trump, GOP or not, couldn't we at least agree that truth matters?
The problem is that to be pro-trump is to be at best agnostic towards the truth. This has driven the Anti-trumpists to, well make bad choices.
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"He didn’t reveal the exact nature of the threats, only that students and the school were threatened with actual violence."

Exactly who is not easy to say, but I am unaware of threats being made by anyone on the steps that day, if that is what you mean. See also this link for more information.
Quite my point. Part of the modern vitriol is that threats are sent on social media. However, the responsibility for that rests solely on those who make such threats.

You can't blame the persons on that day for it, unless you can show they made threats.

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An investigation into the viral encounter between students from Covington Catholic High School and a Native American man found the students' accounts to be largely accurate, according to findings released Wednesday.

Greater Cincinnati Investigations issued a report dated Feb. 11 that found no evidence that students from Covington Catholic made “offensive or racist” statements to either Black Hebrew Israelites or Native American tribe members gathered on the National Mall.

"The statements we obtained from students and chaperones are remarkably consistent," the investigators said. “And, the statements are consistent with the videos we reviewed."

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...mpression=true
Without having seen the the entire two hour video in details, I would tend to agree. The only ones I observed making obvious racist statements were the "Black Hebrew" characters.

However, obnoxious as they seemed, I believe that it is not illegal to be a racist in the US?

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Curious if you'd like to go into detail on this. What, precisely, does someone deserve and what of theirs is to be sacrificed should they choose to wear the hat in question?
I can't imagine idiot boy in the picture on CNN's splash page will be a hot commodity when it comes to getting into colleges. That's fine. There are real American kids to take his place.
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I can't imagine idiot boy in the picture on CNN's splash page will be a hot commodity when it comes to getting into colleges. That's fine. There are real American kids to take his place.

Knowing nothing else about him beyond what's been in the various coverages of the story, the fact that he was wearing a MAGA hat tells me the odds are great I'd disagree with many of his political/social viewpoints. The fact that he came from a pro-life rally tells me I'd disagree most vehemently with him in at least one area. But the notion that his differing viewpoints (or even apparently his mere choice of headgear) mean he deserves to have his higher education/future prospects tanked is a morally repugnant one to me. If for no other reason (and there are others) than his being in an environment where he's exposed to differing lifestyles/opinions (university) might actually give him cause to re-examine/refine a world view that is probably as sophisticated as one would expect from a high-schooler.
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However, obnoxious as they seemed, I believe that it is not illegal to be a racist in the US?
Illegal? It's almost obligatory.
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I can't imagine idiot boy in the picture on CNN's splash page will be a hot commodity when it comes to getting into colleges. That's fine. There are real American kids to take his place.
I don't know whether or not you are correct. It may very well be that the publicity and the final resolution of the story may make many admissions officers look favorably upon him. However,correct or not, his lawyers will try very hard to convince the judge and/or jury that you are correct, because your assertion will be an important part of the libel suit against the various defendants, including CNN, who told the lies about him.
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Report from Greater Cincinnati investigations

Here is a link to the report by Greater Cincinnati Investigation, Inc. There are some interesting pieces of information, such as when the students purchased the hats.
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Here is a link to the report by Greater Cincinnati Investigation, Inc. There are some interesting pieces of information, such as when the students purchased the hats.
Other interesting tidbits:

The widely reported "It's not rape if you enjoy it" comment was not made by a Covington Catholic student.

The widely reported video of people chanting toward a pair of female passers-by could not be confirmed to be Covington Catholic kids.


In other words, the initial story was full of lies, and when it started to unravel, those lies were propped up by unsubstatiated rumors and accusations, which turned out to be false.
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In other words, the initial story was full of lies, and when it started to unravel, those lies were propped up by unsubstatiated rumors and accusations, which turned out to be false.
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Suits against the sleazy media that promoted the race grift are beginning.

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1097993224881389568
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Suits against the sleazy media that promoted the race grift are beginning.

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1097993224881389568
You gotta love a lawsuit that links you to their own team's promotional Youtube of the story.

This is Orly Taitz quality stuff.
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You gotta love a lawsuit that links you to their own team's promotional Youtube of the story.

This is Orly Taitz quality stuff.
Regale us with your legal analysis of just why that is improper.

Thanks in advance
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Yikes! Washington Post may have to be renamed Covington Post.
Fake news has a price. 250 Million + Go Lin Wood!
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Yikes! Washington Post may have to be renamed Covington Post.
Fake news has a price. 250 Million + Go Lin Wood!
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