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Old 26th March 2019, 09:27 AM   #3161
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
The FBI called and said that they couldn't ID the letter (I haven't been paying much attention so maybe they did?) and the Police were suddenly wasting too much time on a (now) small potatoes case.
I can't imagine they would have gotten as far toward a trial based on evidence they were still waiting for from the FBI. As I understand it, prosecutors normally have a high degree of confidence in their case and whether its worth pursuing when they decide to indict.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:27 AM   #3162
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Love how we are in the age of holding celebrities accountable for their actions.

If they are white and male.

This is going to throw has into the garbage fire that is race relations in 2019.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:28 AM   #3163
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
I don't think many reasonable foods are thinking he didn't do it at this point.
I know a pepperoni pizza that thinks he didn't do it.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:30 AM   #3164
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This man committed federal mail fraud and terroristic threats, using fake white powder.

He wasted police resources and took media attention off real issues (ha) and did it to stir racial divisions (so far so good) and improve his marketability / name recognition / what sort of salary he can command.

Now he gets let off and gets to parade around claiming he was exonerated / innocent or something.

Honk honk!

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Old 26th March 2019, 09:30 AM   #3165
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I can't imagine they would have gotten as far toward a trial based on evidence they were still waiting for from the FBI. As I understand it, prosecutors normally have a high degree of confidence in their case and whether its worth pursuing when they decide to indict.
Ever had a small friend who was a dick? That guy that starts fights at the bar knowing if the other guy wins he actually looks worse for beating a little guy?

That is where we are in regards to equality. And it is causing severe resentment. This (just one example) is going to seriously stoke some hated Jussie may not have been attacked but I guarentee many gay black men will be.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:39 AM   #3166
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Now Jussie will launch his OJ-esque hunt for the real attackers.

I'm thinking "Osundario Brothers, Bounty Hunters"
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:44 AM   #3167
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Ever had a small friend who was a dick? That guy that starts fights at the bar knowing if the other guy wins he actually looks worse for beating a little guy?

That is where we are in regards to equality. And it is causing severe resentment. This (just one example) is going to seriously stoke some hated Jussie may not have been attacked but I guarentee many gay black men will be.
I'm not sure how that applies. If the prosecutor was concerned that it would look bad to pursue the case, they had plenty of time before now to make that call. As I said, I'm under the impression that deciding whether a case is worth pursuing happen much earlier in the process.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:45 AM   #3168
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The part that really pisses me off is I can guarentee news networks are going to have the most right wing dick heads as the talking heads for why this was wrong.

I can honestly say I may make opinion on this matter my new yard sick for if someone's opinion on equality is worth listening to.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:47 AM   #3169
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I'm not sure how that applies. If the prosecutor was concerned that it would look bad to pursue the case, they had plenty of time before now to make that call. As I said, I'm under the impression that deciding whether a case is worth pursuing happen much earlier in the process.
Because all decisions are made instantly with no room for pressure to change them.

We live in a ****** enough time that optics are more important than law.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:54 AM   #3170
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Because all decisions are made instantly with no room for pressure to change them.

We live in a ****** enough time that optics are more important than law.
Could you rephrase that? I'm having a little trouble parsing your meaning here.
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Old 26th March 2019, 09:56 AM   #3171
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Prosecutor to Chicago Police Department: How many weeks did it take you guys to figure out that it was a hoax? How many investigators did you put on it? Did you guys get your brains from a cereal box or from Walmart?
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:01 AM   #3172
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Prosecutor to Chicago Police Department: How many weeks did it take you guys to figure out that it was a hoax? How many investigators did you put on it? Did you guys get your brains from a cereal box or from Walmart?
"Aw, come on! He still had the rope around his neck 45 minutes after the attack and everything! Who are we supposed to be, a bunch of Sherlocks?"
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:02 AM   #3173
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Or maybe the DA felt the evidence was not strong enough to convict in court?

But this case has truly become bizarre.

And sealing it is,IMHO, a stupid mistake. Will just add to the fires.

And Chicago Law Enforcement maintains it's reputation as the most Effed up in the country.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:07 AM   #3174
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I for one, have no idea what happened to or what was done by Jussie Smollet. I suspect I will never have an certainty on this event. I will distrust those that do though.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:07 AM   #3175
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Smollett just got in front of a microphone and said that he has "been truthful and consistent from day one".

The thing is, everyone knows that it was a hoax and he was lying then and he is lying now. Somewhere out there, there is a pepperoni pizza that thinks he is innocent.

The prosecutors know that enough information and evidence has already been presented and leaked that Smollett is essentially doomed and will be a walking zombie for the rest of his days. His punishment is that he is known to be toxic and a great public relations risk to anyone who hires him. He will only make it worse for himself because he will continue to lie instead of apologizing for creating the big stupid hoax.

The world will get to watch a dead man walking.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:08 AM   #3176
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All charges against Smollet have been dropped! WTF?
White Privilege strikes again!!
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:16 AM   #3177
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What is fascinating is nobody involved in the case on either side now has any creditbility.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:19 AM   #3178
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I for one, have no idea what happened to or what was done by Jussie Smollet. I suspect I will never have an certainty on this event. I will distrust those that do though.
It is really bizarre.
The mostly likely is the DA felt the evidence against Smolett was not strong enough to convict,but if this is the case why didn't the DA just say "Insufficent Evidence?'.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:24 AM   #3179
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How could this happen? What really happened?

The case is sealed?! Will the public ever see all the evidence, see the facts?

So who, and what, are we to believe, if the underlying facts can never be publicly known?
and it seems odd to be sealed while the attorneys can run around going 'neener, neener, neener'.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:31 AM   #3180
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SA Kim Foxx recused herself from the case then dropped the charges. The Chicago police
Union is calling for a federal investigation into the State Attorney's actions.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:35 AM   #3181
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The mostly likely is the DA felt the evidence against Smolett was not strong enough to convict,but if this is the case why didn't the DA just say "Insufficent Evidence?'.
I don't agree with that at all.

If I had to guess I would say that the prosecutors decided that it is stupid to chase this obvious hoaxer any longer. Everyone already knows he is guilty. And in the end, it's really a minor thing. A fake hate crime without any real injuries other than scratches made by Smollett himself. And 16 charges? Why, when it's just one single hoax?
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:41 AM   #3182
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What a joke.
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The federal case involving the letter has not been canceled, it is still ongoing
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I don't agree with that at all.

If I had to guess I would say that the prosecutors decided that it is stupid to chase this obvious hoaxer any longer. Everyone already knows he is guilty. And in the end, it's really a minor thing. A fake hate crime without any real injuries other than scratches made by Smollett himself.
And a whole lot of police resources diverted from other potential uses. That's not a small thing. It deserves to be punished, visibly, both because of the harm it did and to discourage others from making false reports.

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And 16 charges? Why, when it's just one single hoax?
That's likely insurance to make sure something stuck, as well as possibly leverage to entice a plea deal.

It's just surprising they went with such a lenient one.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:55 AM   #3185
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Prosecutor to Chicago Police Department: How many weeks did it take you guys to figure out that it was a hoax? How many investigators did you put on it? Did you guys get your brains from a cereal box or from Walmart?
It's likely that they figured out it was a hoax early on, but with a high profile racially charged case like this, you really want all your i's dotted and t's crossed before you go public. And doing that can take a lot of legwork, even if you know where it's going to end up.
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Old 26th March 2019, 10:57 AM   #3186
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Right now it's being reported that the Mayor is furious with prosecutors for dropping the charges.
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I'm not sure how that applies. If the prosecutor was concerned that it would look bad to pursue the case, they had plenty of time before now to make that call. As I said, I'm under the impression that deciding whether a case is worth pursuing happen much earlier in the process.
Sometimes it takes longer for the prosecutor's office to recognize a no-goer, or for city hall to make their case for/against, or for commercial entities to make their feelings known.
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Right now it's being reported that the Mayor is furious with prosecutors for dropping the charges.
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Rumors going around that Foxx may have been texting with Smollett's people/relatives.
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Old 26th March 2019, 11:02 AM   #3190
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That's likely insurance to make sure something stuck, as well as possibly leverage to entice a plea deal.

It's just surprising they went with such a lenient one.
This isn't actually a deal of any kind. The prosecutor simply announced the dropping of charges and the forfeit of bail money. Smollett didn't agree to anything here - though he is probably pleased with it.

Let's see if he gets cocky and sues the city of Chicago. LOL!
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This isn't actually a deal of any kind. The prosecutor simply announced the dropping of charges and the forfeit of bail money. Smollett didn't agree to anything here - though he is probably pleased with it.

Let's see if he gets cocky and sues the city of Chicago. LOL!
I almost want that to happen to Foxx.
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Sealing the case–keeping documentation out of the public's eye–means that the circumstances, facts, and context about this case are known to only a small number of people.

How is the public to trust anyone involved? The facts have been hidden.

The legal, judicial, law enforcement, and intelligence agencies, along with Hollywood influence, need to be scrutinized.

If Jussie Smollett says he's innocent and has been truthful and consistent all along, then show the files.

Sealing this case buries the facts.
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It's likely that they figured out it was a hoax early on, but with a high profile racially charged case like this, you really want all your i's dotted and t's crossed before you go public. And doing that can take a lot of legwork, even if you know where it's going to end up.
I don't see why two detectives could not have solved the whole thing. Instead they sent out a whole herd.
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Mayor says "this is a whitewash of justice" and that "this is not on the level".
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I don't see why two detectives could not have solved the whole thing. Instead they sent out a whole herd.
Four teenagers and a Great Dane could've unravelled this caper
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Oh shucks. Nothing to see here. Move along folks.

Talk about stunned, I read the headlines thinking this is an Onion article, right?

Damn straight it is not on the level.
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Rush Limbaugh is saying the State Attorney was asked to do this to get the Mueller Report off of the top trending.
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Next week: Jussie and the Nigerian brothers together on Jerry Springer. The show opens with Kato Kaelin singing the National Anthem.
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Closed room deal?

I told you the whole "we want cameras in the courtroom" thing was a feint by Smollett's legal team.
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Sometimes it takes longer for the prosecutor's office to recognize a no-goer, or for city hall to make their case for/against, or for commercial entities to make their feelings known.
Can you list some other cases where prosecutors have dropped charges this far in (aside from through plea deals)? It seems like this case has been very public for a long time and entities with the power to change the prosecutor's position had a long time before now to weigh in.
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