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Old 28th March 2019, 10:50 AM   #3361
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I wouldn't count on the FBI for much. They seem to be influenced by politics quite often.

I'll be surprised if we even hear about the letter again.
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Old 28th March 2019, 11:11 AM   #3362
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Now they tell us: Kim Foxx didn’t recuse herself from the Smollett case, office acknowledges

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/03/...-acknowledges/
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“The State’s Attorney did not formally recuse herself or the Office based on any actual conflict of interest,” her spokeswoman, Tandra R. Simonton, said Wednesday in an email response to my questions. “As a result, she did not have to seek the appointment of a special prosecutor under (state law).”

Instead, she put her first assistant, Joe Magats, out front to take the beating that would come.

“Although we use the term ‘recuse’ as it relates to State’s Attorney Foxx’s involvement in the matter, it was a colloquial use of the term rather in its legal sense,” Foxx’s office said.
Foxx was on the case all along.
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Old 28th March 2019, 11:17 AM   #3363
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As a refresher:

“I know members of the Smollett family based on prior work together,” Tchen said in a statement. “Shortly after Mr. Smollett reported he was attacked, as a family friend, I contacted Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx, who I also know from prior work together. My sole activity was to put the chief prosecutor in the case in touch with an alleged victim’s family who had concerns about how the investigation was being characterized in public.”

Foxx said she recused herself from the investigation because of her contacts with Tchen and the Smollett family member. The prosecutor wrote to Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson after the contacts to convey that the family wanted the FBI to take over the investigation, according to copies of emails and text released by the State’s Attorney’s Office.
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Old 28th March 2019, 11:20 AM   #3364
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Lawyers at 26th and California should be having a field day with "colloquial, rather than legal" today. My client was guilty of theft/speeding/whatever in the colloquial sense, not the legal sense, your honor.
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Old 28th March 2019, 01:39 PM   #3365
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Thank you, Donald Trump...

Originally Posted by Deadline
Calling Chicago a “Trump-Free Zone,” Mayor Rahm Emanuel said that the president created the very environment – “toxic” and “hate-filled” – that allowed Smollett to think he could get away with staging a hate crime.
https://deadline.com/2019/03/rahm-em...le-1202584616/
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Old 28th March 2019, 01:50 PM   #3366
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Originally Posted by Fox News
The city of Chicago delivered a letter to Jussie Smollett's legal team seeking $130,000 from the actor, a spokesperson for the city law department revealed to Fox News on Thursday...

"It is the Mayor and the Police Chief who owe Jussie - owe him an apology - for dragging an innocent man’s character through the mud. Jussie has paid enough," said his bunghole which had previously not uttered anything other than occasional flatulatory sound waves...
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...as-paid-enough

I told you right here that it was a hoax and I did it for free. Chicago wants way too much money. Hell, anybody could have solved this for just a beer or two.
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Old 28th March 2019, 02:49 PM   #3367
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If I was Jussie I would respond to the letter requesting $130,000 with some words about the hot sauce bottle laying on the sidewalk 10 days after it was used to chemically annihilate both my soul and my clothing. I would decorate my own letter with LOLs and ROFLs and Laughing Dogs. Then I would grind up an aspirin tablet...
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Old 28th March 2019, 03:03 PM   #3368
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What about federal prosecution?

The state might have come up with a slap on the wrist knowing the feds have a case- with possible greater punishment when found guilty. Hence the "deferred prosecution"- it means they "defferred" to the Feds. Fed case comes first. But my comprehension of the English Language is not the same as a lawyers.
Don't think there is a federal crime to be investigated, beyond what they are already doing re - the letter.

Most of the times when the feds go after someone, it's for a civil rights violation. There is no way he could violate his own civil rights.
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Old 28th March 2019, 03:16 PM   #3369
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It's reported that when the letter arrived at the studio addressed to him he went and got rubber gloves for his boss and himself for the opening of the letter. "Mercy me! It's a good thing that I decided we should wear gloves. Ponder that yonder powder amongst us!"
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Old 28th March 2019, 03:26 PM   #3370
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Don't think there is a federal crime to be investigated, beyond what they are already doing re - the letter.

Most of the times when the feds go after someone, it's for a civil rights violation. There is no way he could violate his own civil rights.
The letter is adequate. It's terrorism, the Feds do go after that. And if Jussie used somebody else to mail it, there is conspiracy. I think upthread somebody had about 4 federal crimes.
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Old 28th March 2019, 03:26 PM   #3371
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
If I was Jussie I would respond to the letter requesting $130,000 with some words about the hot sauce bottle laying on the sidewalk 10 days after it was used to chemically annihilate both my soul and my clothing. I would decorate my own letter with LOLs and ROFLs and Laughing Dogs. Then I would grind up an aspirin tablet...

Just a letter ...?

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Old 28th March 2019, 03:35 PM   #3372
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
If I was Jussie I would respond to the letter requesting $130,000 with some words about the hot sauce bottle laying on the sidewalk 10 days after it was used to chemically annihilate both my soul and my clothing. I would decorate my own letter with LOLs and ROFLs and Laughing Dogs. Then I would grind up an aspirin tablet...
Only guilty people get billed for police costs, and usually only as part of a sentence or settlement. And it is common for civil settlements to be sealed, NOT criminal. His lawyers plea bargained. Spelled G-U-I-L-T-Y.

I eagerly await news from the Feds.
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Old 28th March 2019, 03:51 PM   #3373
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Originally Posted by Deadline
Calling Chicago a “Trump-Free Zone,” Mayor Rahm Emanuel said that the president created the very environment – “toxic” and “hate-filled” – that allowed Smollett to think he could get away with staging a hate crime.

And all this time I thought Chicago was "MAGA Country". Rahm's statement uses more twisted logic than I thought possible. Smollet's self staged hate crime isn't because of toxic and hate-filled rhetoric; it's psychopathic and delusional. I know, that's Trump's fault too.
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Old 28th March 2019, 04:10 PM   #3374
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I was almost fooled into thinking Rahm Emmanuel had a decent, non corrupt bone in his body. Then I realized that Chicago's top political grifter is just mad because he got out-grifted by a TV star.

Also how about that Tina Tchen? People complain when I say all politicians are corrupt, but what do you think Obama hired her for?
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Old 28th March 2019, 08:10 PM   #3375
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Jussie Smollett's "community service" was for Jesse Jackson's Rainbow PUSH Coalition and was not court ordered.

Read the letters here:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html

So his lawyer gets him to do two whole days of work for Jackson on March 23 and 25, presents this to the court with the $10,000 bond idea, and he walks.

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"Mr. Smollett is one of the most impactful community service volunteers we have ever worked with"
He also got the Black AIDS Institute to write a nice letter too. Not regular AIDS, no, the black version.

His peeps, the good Reverend Jackson, the Obamas and Tchen, Foxx, the Black Aids people all pulled strings for this jerkoff.

This story just gets better every day.
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Old 28th March 2019, 08:23 PM   #3376
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Pay us or we are coming for you...

Originally Posted by CBS News
...The letter claims the the "Chicago police investigation revealed that you knowingly filed a false police report and had in fact orchestrated your own attack," and requests from Smollett an "immediate payment of the $130,160.15 expended on overtime hours in the investigation of this matter," to be paid within seven days.

The letter was sent to Smollet's attorney Patricia Brown Holmes' office in downtown Chicago.

If Smollett fails to pay the City of Chicago Corporate Counsel, the letter states he faces prosecution by the Department of Law and a fine of no less than $500 and a maximum of $1,000, "plus up to three times the amount of damages the city sustains as a result of the violation."...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jussie-...tes-2019-03-28

I suspect that they will rapidly prosecute him if he doesn't pay in a week. He won't be given any extra time or leeway.
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Old 28th March 2019, 08:32 PM   #3377
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Pay us or we are coming for you...



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jussie-...tes-2019-03-28

I suspect that they will rapidly prosecute him if he doesn't pay in a week. He won't be given any extra time or leeway.
Guess he can abandon any pretense of the dropped charges being a vindication.

It's all so horrifying.
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"....a fine of no less than $500 and a maximum of $1,000"

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"....a fine of no less than $500 and a maximum of $1,000"

...plus up to three times the buck-thirty? Blowing well past the quarter mil mark.

Now that **** is horrifying.
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we've reached the point where Donald Trump is responsible for not only every racist attack in the nation but also for people faking racist attacks.

Thanks, Obama.
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we've reached the point where Donald Trump is responsible for not only every racist attack in the nation but also for people faking racist attacks.

Thanks, Obama.
He is also responsible for the media continuing the Fine People Hoax, which Rahm Emannuel referenced in his statement.
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Old 29th March 2019, 07:45 AM   #3382
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He is also responsible for the media continuing the Fine People Hoax, which Rahm Emannuel referenced in his statement.
No he is not.

I hate the man but this trend of blaming him for everything is just us on the left not wanting to admit we ****** up, have been acting like ******** for a decade and now a lot of people hate us, but can't speak up, because of what we are doing to discourse, so they talk with their votes.

We created this environment, where being a victim is so valued powerful people want a bigger piece of the victim pie.

I've been saying this for a while, maybe eventually someone will listen.
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Illinois Prosecutors Bar Association condemn's the Foxx's handling of the case:
The manner in which this case was dismissed was abnormal and unfamiliar to those who practice law in criminal courthouses across the State. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges alike do not recognize the arrangement Mr. Smollett received. Even more problematic, the State’s Attorney and her representatives have fundamentally misled the public on the law and circumstances surrounding the dismissal...

When an elected State’s Attorney recuses herself from a prosecution, Illinois law provides that the court shall appoint a special prosecutor. See 55 ILCS 5/3-9008(a-15).... Here, the State’s Attorney kept the case within her office and thus never actually recused herself as a matter of law.

Additionally, the Cook County State’s Attorney’s office falsely informed the public that the uncontested sealing of the criminal court case was “mandatory” under Illinois law...

The appearance of impropriety here is compounded by the fact that this case was not on the regularly scheduled court call....

Lastly, the State’s Attorney has claimed this arrangement is “available to all defendants” and “not a new or unusual practice.”... Central to any diversion program, however, is that the defendant must accept responsibility....

http://www.ilpba.org/announcements/7249825
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No he is not.

I hate the man but this trend of blaming him for everything is just us on the left not wanting to admit we ****** up, have been acting like ******** for a decade and now a lot of people hate us, but can't speak up, because of what we are doing to discourse, so they talk with their votes.

We created this environment, where being a victim is so valued powerful people want a bigger piece of the victim pie.

I've been saying this for a while, maybe eventually someone will listen.
I was joking, it's no one's fault that the media continue the Fine People Hoax.
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Illinois Prosecutors Bar Association condemn's the Foxx's handling of the case:
The manner in which this case was dismissed was abnormal and unfamiliar to those who practice law in criminal courthouses across the State. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges alike do not recognize the arrangement Mr. Smollett received. Even more problematic, the State’s Attorney and her representatives have fundamentally misled the public on the law and circumstances surrounding the dismissal...

When an elected State’s Attorney recuses herself from a prosecution, Illinois law provides that the court shall appoint a special prosecutor. See 55 ILCS 5/3-9008(a-15).... Here, the State’s Attorney kept the case within her office and thus never actually recused herself as a matter of law.

Additionally, the Cook County State’s Attorney’s office falsely informed the public that the uncontested sealing of the criminal court case was “mandatory” under Illinois law...

The appearance of impropriety here is compounded by the fact that this case was not on the regularly scheduled court call....

Lastly, the State’s Attorney has claimed this arrangement is “available to all defendants” and “not a new or unusual practice.”... Central to any diversion program, however, is that the defendant must accept responsibility....

http://www.ilpba.org/announcements/7249825
This won't be good.
Whoever ordered this dismissal is probably going to get in trouble. Especially if it referenced a payout, or a promise.
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Jussie has a friend, yeah
I know he's got a very high-powered friend ...
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Brazilian jurisprudence has a concept of a "plea deal", but it's different from the US concept. For one thing, it's not a plea deal, it's a sentencing deal.

In the US, you make a deal with the prosecutor. You both pretend that you're guilty of a lesser crime. This saves the prosecutor the trouble of trying to nail you for the greater crime, and it saves you the risk of a heavier sentence for the greater crime.

In Brazil, you make a deal with the judge. You both agree that you're guilty of the crime you're actually indicted for. And you both agree that in exchange for your cooperation and your clear admission of guilt, you have earned a more lenient sentence.

This sentencing deal is useful in conspiracy cases, where one conspirator can get leniency in sentencing by admitting to his part in the conspiracy and giving the prosecutor actionable intelligence about his co-conspirators.

As a result of this, it's possible for five out of six conspirators to get lighter sentences by ratting out the sixth guy before he has a chance to do the same. But it's not possible for them to pretend they didn't commit the crimes.

To me, the Brazilian system seems to be both much more just, and also much more merciful, than the American system. But even the American system of plea bargaining is still much more just than the travesty on display in Illinois right now.
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Foxx is getting panicky...

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I know corruption is common in Chicago, but did they really think they could make such a public case just disappear?

I would bet that they could have weathered the PR storm had they given Smollett a slap on the wrist, but releasing him with no admittance of guilt was just too far. Letting a hoaxster walk free, still proclaiming his hoax, with a sealed record was just too outrageous.
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Does this mean we will get "cameras in the court room" after all?
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I would bet that they could have weathered the PR storm had they given Smollett a slap on the wrist
I think the State Attorney's mistake was letting herself get bullied into prioritizing Smollett's PR situation over her own office's PR situation.

In her scrabble to stop Smollett from emptying his magazine into his foot, Foxx fired an RPG right into her own face.
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Jussie Smollett is nominated for an NAACP Award, and host Anthony Anderson hopes he wins
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Jussie Smollett is nominated for an NAACP Award, and host Anthony Anderson hopes he wins
We all hope he wins. The acceptance speech will be priceless.
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I hear the SPLC is in the market for a new director.
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Jussie Smollett is nominated for an NAACP Award, and host Anthony Anderson hopes he wins
He'll win if NAACP stands for National Association for the Advancement of Connected Perps.
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Illinois Prosecutors Bar Association condemn's the Foxx's handling of the case:
The manner in which this case was dismissed was abnormal and unfamiliar to those who practice law in criminal courthouses across the State. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges alike do not recognize the arrangement Mr. Smollett received. Even more problematic, the State’s Attorney and her representatives have fundamentally misled the public on the law and circumstances surrounding the dismissal...

When an elected State’s Attorney recuses herself from a prosecution, Illinois law provides that the court shall appoint a special prosecutor. See 55 ILCS 5/3-9008(a-15).... Here, the State’s Attorney kept the case within her office and thus never actually recused herself as a matter of law.

Additionally, the Cook County State’s Attorney’s office falsely informed the public that the uncontested sealing of the criminal court case was “mandatory” under Illinois law...

The appearance of impropriety here is compounded by the fact that this case was not on the regularly scheduled court call....

Lastly, the State’s Attorney has claimed this arrangement is “available to all defendants” and “not a new or unusual practice.”... Central to any diversion program, however, is that the defendant must accept responsibility....

http://www.ilpba.org/announcements/7249825
The Illinois Prosecutors Bar Association (IPBA) Statement on Jussie Smollett Case Dismissal paints a damning picture of the State's Attorney, and the Cook County State's Attorney's office.

But there is also a judge(s?) involved with this situation. IPBA's statement doesn't mention any judge or what role a judge played in this case.

I wish there was a similar-type statement, illustrating what a judge(s?) responsibilities are, and what the judge(s) did, or did not do.
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Old 29th March 2019, 11:56 AM   #3397
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Old 29th March 2019, 11:56 AM   #3398
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I hear the SPLC is in the market for a new director.
I think the SCP foundation would be a better option.

Scp-11793
Class safe
Worlds luckiest actor

Properties- near complete immunity to consequences of any action resultant of own stupidity or greed

Mild memetic effects: suspension of disbelief in obvious lies, this affects between %1-0.5 of the population.

Ability to make people prioritize his wellbeing over their own ( foundation note: this seems to be directly proportional to said persons level of influence)

*suspected* mild specific chronomantic ability. It has been theorized by foundation scientists that scp 11793 has reversed opinions and progress toward racial and homosexual equality by aproximately 20 to 30 years. This effect seems to be stronger in areas with higher knowledge of scp 11793.

(And exactly 2 people laugh. Sorry if you didn't get the joke, but I had to do something to lighten my mood about this)
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Old 29th March 2019, 12:03 PM   #3399
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
I think the SCP foundation would be a better option.

Scp-11793
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Properties- near complete immunity to consequences of any action resultant of own stupidity or greed

Mild memetic effects: suspension of disbelief in obvious lies, this affects between %1-0.5 of the population.

Ability to make people prioritize his wellbeing over their own ( foundation note: this seems to be directly proportional to said persons level of influence)

*suspected* mild specific chronomantic ability. It has been theorized by foundation scientists that scp 11793 has reversed opinions and progress toward racial and homosexual equality by aproximately 20 to 30 years. This effect seems to be stronger in areas with higher knowledge of scp 11793.

(And exactly 2 people laugh. Sorry if you didn't get the joke, but I had to do something to lighten my mood about this)
I feel like the SCP thing is generally more interesting in principle than in actuality, but I did have a sensible chuckle over your use of it here. Thanks!
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Old 29th March 2019, 01:15 PM   #3400
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Possibility that Obama was involved?
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