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Old 27th October 2020, 05:20 AM   #561
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Originally Posted by Aber View Post
Yes, I know what the dhimmi laws are.
Right now, in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, for example, non-Muslims are forbidden from eating pork or consuming alcohol, and from socialising with members of the opposite sex.
The dhimmi laws, when they were applied (and I'm not sure if that's still the case anywhere now), were an instrument of oppression. The tolerance of alcohol (limited though it was) was a sop, a token to try to make up for the extra tax (paid for the privilege of being allowed to live in Muslim-majority countries), the inability of non-Muslims to take Muslims to court, and the fact that the property of non-Muslims was not actually theirs, and any Muslim could walk into their home and take whatever they wanted to.

"It gets messy" is not, I'm afraid, an excuse for a statement so generalised and historically inaccurate.
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Old 27th October 2020, 05:26 AM   #562
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As the thread seems to have drifted a bit, this seems relevant:

"A conservative US evangelical organisation is taking legal action against UK entertainment venues that cancelled appearances by Franklin Graham, a preacher who has expressed homophobic and Islamophobic views, earlier this year.

The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) is suing venues in Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield and Wales for breach of contract. Franklin Graham told the Guardian in February that he was “being denied [a platform] because of religious beliefs”.

The court cases have been highlighted by openDemocracy as part of an investigation that uncovered evidence of millions of dollars spent by the BGEA and other organisations on the US Christian right since 2007 to further their agenda in Europe and elsewhere in the world.

In March, following the cancellations, Graham said: “As Americans, we should be concerned about the rise of secularism and the potential suppression of religious freedom and freedom of speech in the UK.”

The 67-year-old preacher has said that gay people are “the enemy” and responsible for a “moral implosion”, and that Islam is “an evil and very wicked religion”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgdhp
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Old 27th October 2020, 05:51 AM   #563
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As ever the devil will be in the detail.

How they are presenting it makes it sound slam dunk religious discrimination but I bet any money* the details will show something quite different. Also you can see the USAcentric view of this, they obviously don’t understand that in the UK any “philosophical belief” (defined in the EA2010) is as valid as any form of Christianity and our governments aren’t constrained by our constitution from making laws regarding religion. By pushing for these decision they may find that they ensure Christians have to provide their services to people they want to discriminate against.


*That’s just a phrase, I of course do not bet as betting is a sin.
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Old 27th October 2020, 06:23 AM   #564
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Originally Posted by RolandRat View Post
In March, following the cancellations, Graham said: “As Americans, we should be concerned about the rise of secularism and the potential suppression of religious freedom and freedom of speech in the UK.”

And here we go again. Secularism doesn’t suppress religious freedom, it enables it. The people on the Mayflower weren’t escaping from secularists.
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Old 27th October 2020, 10:37 AM   #565
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The Guardian report on Graham and the BGEA's legal actions mentions breach of contract by the venues, which suggests he/they are using contract law, but using tactics similar to those of the CLC in claiming "Oh, see me being persecuted for being a christian! Look at the persecution!"

The venues in question have spoken about his platform not being consistent with their values. Yup, racism and anti-LGBTQ+ views, loudly proclaimed, don't go down terribly well in quite a number of places in the UK.
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Old 27th October 2020, 11:46 AM   #566
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
The Guardian report on Graham and the BGEA's legal actions mentions breach of contract by the venues, which suggests he/they are using contract law, but using tactics similar to those of the CLC in claiming "Oh, see me being persecuted for being a christian! Look at the persecution!"

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The venues in question have spoken about his platform not being consistent with their values. Yup, racism and anti-LGBTQ+ views, loudly proclaimed, don't go down terribly well in quite a number of places in the UK.
I'm sure "someone" will be along soon to defend Islamaphobia!
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