ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Non-USA & General Politics
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags Brexit

Reply
Old Yesterday, 08:13 AM   #2001
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 29,406
I know why the leavers seem so angry even though they won.

Remember those old scam 'mock auctions' at Blackpool and Scarborough etc?
They showed you a 'mystery box' that could contain something expensive and desirable, examples of the possible contents were on display for you to drool over.
You were bidding on what you thought was a box of delights but when you got outside it turned out to be full of crap and you felt cheated and stupid for falling for it.

Well, that's how the leavers feel at the moment.
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Yesterday, 08:27 AM   #2002
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 30,328
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I know why the leavers seem so angry even though they won.

Remember those old scam 'mock auctions' at Blackpool and Scarborough etc?
They showed you a 'mystery box' that could contain something expensive and desirable, examples of the possible contents were on display for you to drool over.
You were bidding on what you thought was a box of delights but when you got outside it turned out to be full of crap and you felt cheated and stupid for falling for it.

Well, that's how the leavers feel at the moment.
Maybe some feel that way.

The ones I speak to IRL (and there aren't many) simply want all the nonsense to be over and done with, leave with a no-deal and then crack on with making Britain great again.

They're not entirely clear how that will happen, but they're pretty convinced that expanded trade - specifically with the US, India and Australia - will more than make up for any marginal losses in trade with the EU.

In any case, it'll only be reduced imports because the EU will continue to take our exports. Their rationale is that the EU hates us so much that the only imports they take from the UK are those things where they have no choice - and after Brexit there'll still be no choice.

They seem to be bonkers to me.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Yesterday, 09:22 AM   #2003
RolandRat
Muse
 
RolandRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 721
Soy sauce climbdown:

"Acknowledging the error on Wednesday morning, DIT's Twitter account said: “To clarify: thanks to the UK-Japan trade deal, soya sauce will be cheaper than it otherwise would be under WTO terms, on which we would be trading with Japan from 1 Jan if we had not secured the UK-Japan trade deal.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1394031.html

"Spain and Gibraltar want to reach a side deal with Britain to avoid having a hard EU border in southern Spain after Brexit, but have stumbled on “a lack of political will” in London, a Spanish diplomatic source said.

The source said any deal aimed at creating a “shared prosperity zone” in Gibraltar, a British territory over which Spain claims sovereignty, was unlikely before a full Brexit agreement.

That broader deal remains uncertain just two months before Britain’s post-Brexit transition period ends.

“We’ve made our suggestions, explored technical solutions on how to get there. What is lacking is the political will to close the deal. The ball is in the United Kingdom’s court,” the source said on Wednesday."

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu...-idUKKBN27D26S
RolandRat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Yesterday, 10:58 AM   #2004
RolandRat
Muse
 
RolandRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 721
"Scottish ministers have not given the UK Government access to “crucial data” on Brexit preparedness, Michael Gove has claimed.

Mr Russell said last month that there was now no trust between the Scottish Government and Westminster, complaining that dialogue between the two administrations had become “significantly worse since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister”.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has been invited to “regular meetings” of the cabinet committee dealing with preparations and operational readiness for the end of the transition period, Mr Gove said.

But he told Mr Russell: “I note that despite this intensified engagement, UK Government ministers and officials have not been invited to any operational readiness meetings of the Scottish Government.

Mr Gove said this included information on how cash from the UK Government to support Brexit readiness had been spent, and how ministers at Holyrood were ensuring the businesses are ready for the change."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgdhp

Gove has got more front than Blackpool. How can businesses even begin to prepare when they don't know what they are preparing for..
RolandRat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Yesterday, 11:44 AM   #2005
Darat
Lackey
Administrator
 
Darat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: South East, UK
Posts: 94,218
Good on her I’d say!
__________________
I wish I knew how to quit you
Darat is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Yesterday, 12:03 PM   #2006
Arcade22
Philosopher
 
Arcade22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sweden
Posts: 6,680
Originally Posted by RolandRat View Post
Soy sauce climbdown:

"Acknowledging the error on Wednesday morning, DIT's Twitter account said: “To clarify: thanks to the UK-Japan trade deal, soya sauce will be cheaper than it otherwise would be under WTO terms, on which we would be trading with Japan from 1 Jan if we had not secured the UK-Japan trade deal.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1394031.html
But what about all the Soy Sauce that isn't made in Japan? They hardly have a monopoly on that.
__________________
We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr

And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann
Arcade22 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Yesterday, 12:50 PM   #2007
Lothian
should be banned
 
Lothian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside
Posts: 15,715
Originally Posted by RolandRat View Post

"Spain and Gibraltar want to reach a side deal with Britain to avoid having a hard EU border in southern Spain after Brexit, but have stumbled on “a lack of political will” in London, a Spanish diplomatic source said.

The source said any deal aimed at creating a “shared prosperity zone” in Gibraltar, a British territory over which Spain claims sovereignty, was unlikely before a full Brexit agreement.

That broader deal remains uncertain just two months before Britain’s post-Brexit transition period ends.

“We’ve made our suggestions, explored technical solutions on how to get there. What is lacking is the political will to close the deal. The ball is in the United Kingdom’s court,” the source said on Wednesday."

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu...-idUKKBN27D26S
Gibraltar has a population of 33,000. It also has 60,000 businesses. It is a tax haven that exploits the advantages of being both in and out of the EU. From 1 Jan all those advantages disappear. I dare say we will rapidly lose interest in an island that starts costing us money and the physical location will make leaving the UK and joining Spain more appealing to the islanders. The only positive is that it will inconvenience Aaron Banks will need to move his companies elsewhere to avoid paying UK tax.
Lothian is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Today, 01:21 AM   #2008
Vixen
Penultimate Amazing
 
Vixen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Suomi
Posts: 19,302
I get a daily 'newsletter' from the DAILY EXPRESS, which I haven't unsubscribed because it is so amusing. It generally features various politicians pulling faces to suit the gist of the headlines they are presenting to their readers, who they assume are rabid xenophobic Brexiteers. One such headline today includes a photo of Merkel caught pulling a long wary woe-is-me face and seems to claim Brexit will hit Germany the hardest. The article itself is not too bad.

Quote:
Hans-Olaf Henkel, who is also a former Federation of German Industries (BDI), said Germany's massive car industry would be dealt a huge blow, as would other key sectors - and warned Brussels against complacently assuming Brexit was merely a "British problem". Mr Henkel was speaking after the publication of a report by credit insurer Euler Hermes, which puts the chances of a no-deal outcome at 45 percent.

The report suggests such an eventuality would jeopardise exports totalling €33billion - of which those from Germany would make up a quarter (€8.2billion), by far the highest figure in the bloc.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...michel-barnier

So, the odds of a no-deal are 45% according to insurers and Germany's car exports to the UK will be hit.
__________________
Blott en dag, ett ögonblick i sänder,

vilken tröst, vad än som kommer på!
Vixen is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Today, 01:40 AM   #2009
Mojo
Mostly harmless
 
Mojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Nor Flanden
Posts: 33,319
Legal action taken against PM over refusal to investigate Kremlin meddling
__________________
"You got to use your brain." - McKinley Morganfield

"The poor mystic homeopaths feel like petted house-cats thrown at high flood on the breaking ice." - Leon Trotsky
Mojo is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Today, 01:43 AM   #2010
Squeegee Beckenheim
Penultimate Amazing
 
Squeegee Beckenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 30,218
The latest YouGov poll shows that 57% of Brits would blame the government for No Deal

Seems low, but it's a start.
__________________
I don't trust atoms. They make up everything.
Squeegee Beckenheim is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Today, 02:18 AM   #2011
Jack by the hedge
Safely Ignored
 
Jack by the hedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 10,645
Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Hence urgent need for the need for the Daily Express to keep hammering their slogan that the EU are not negotiating in good faith. If they don't keep dripping that poison and providing an on-message alternative to thinking for their readers heaven knows what might happen.
Jack by the hedge is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Non-USA & General Politics

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:44 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.