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View Poll Results: When will the AE911 petition reach juggernaut strength of 1%?
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Old 31st October 2012, 02:21 AM   #361
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I see very little evidence that any of them changed their minds. I see considerably more that they stick with what hey believed 5 years ago.

It's hard to say without actually polling a significant and randomly chosen subset, all I can say is that I have been looking at the 1700+ quite intensely for a while now. I don't think that many go out and do research outside of the box they chose to step into. Less than 100 (if I remember correctly: Something like 60-70) who at one time signed the petition are no longer on the list. I don't know the reasons for this. Could be death, could be they changed their mind and no longer believe in twooof, could be they still believe in twooof but din't want to be found there when you google their names.
I see easily more than 60-70 who in some way are actively twoofing.
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Perhaps the 10% figure is about right for those who signed and now don't believe.

I doubt the 90% remaining are all active supporters.
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Old 31st October 2012, 05:11 AM   #363
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Which 10% figure? Nobody claims that the believers are active Perhaps 10% are, as in "have on occasion done more than just sign the damned petition".


I noticed something silly today:

On the list of the undersigned Architects and Engineers, the first category "Architects (licensed)" starts with Gage, and then come six names with the title "FAIA" (Fellow of the AIA). These are the only FAIAs on his list. Of these, only Daniel Barnum has played any role other than signing the petition. The list continues alphabetically by full name (sorted by first name, then last name).

Now these FAIAs originally signed up and were assigned a profile ID in sequential order. But to put them in front of the listing, and thus out of alphabetical order, it seems they had to create new profiles with new profile IDs:
Namesigned ca.orig. IDID changednew ID
Richard Gage, AIA, ArchitectMay 2007999969Nov 2009999979
Daniel B. Barnum, FAIASep 2008995586Nov 2009999974
David Paul Helpern, FAIAJul 2009990630Nov 2009999972
Kevin A. Kelly, FAIAJun 2009991120Nov 2009999970
Paul Stevenson Oles, FAIAOct 2009?Nov 2009999968
Eason Cross, FAIANov 2009985243Nov 2010999966
Harry G. Robinson III, FAIAAug 2010979326Nov 2010999964

So we see that IDs above 999960 are "special". The highest ID ever assigned automatically by the system to an A or E that I can find today was Gage's own 999969 - but that profile was deleted in november 2009, and he was assigned the new 999979. The next-highest, and thus oldest, ID is 999959 for Scott Page. Those two are also pinned to the top of their categories. The highest ID not pinned to the top is 999947 Don Gibbons.


Other "special", or prominent, profile IDs belong to:
Namesigned ca.orig. IDID changednew ID
David Ray GriffinOct 2007998854Nov 2009999987
Steven E. JonesAug 2007999007Oct 2007999989
Edward AsnerJan 2009999974Nov 2009999983
Robert M. BowmanJan 2008997465Nov 2009999985
  • Griffin was assigned celeb-ID 999984 between Nov 2007 and Nov 2009.
  • Jones was assigned his celeb-ID 999989 only until June 2010, then he signed up with a new, normal profile ID 980182 and is no longer on top of his category. However, with his first two IDs he was listed as "Other Supporter", while his current listing is as "Engineering Professional". His vita shows no engineering degree, though.
  • Asner was apparently given a "celeb" ID right away, which changed later. Bowman was assigned ID 999979 (the ID that Gage has now) between September 08 and November 09.


The silly thing I mentioned was that Gage elevates the title "FAIA" to something of prominence, as if being a fellow of the AIA magically bestows you with extra qualifications to assess building collapses. From Kevin Kelly's profile:
"From a membership of more than 74,000, the AIA has fewer than 2,500 members who may be recognized with the designation of FAIA. Fellowship which requires at least 10 years of AIA membership along with significant architectural contributions on a national level."
Yadda yadda.

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Old 31st October 2012, 07:00 AM   #364
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Which 10% figure? Nobody claims that the believers are active Perhaps 10% are, as in "have on occasion done more than just sign the damned petition".


I noticed something silly today:

On the ]list of the undersigned Architects and Engineers, the first category "Architects (licensed)" starts with Gage, and then come six names with the title "FAIA" (Fellow of the AIA). These are the only FAIAs on his list. Of these, only Daniel Barnum has played any role other than signing the petition. The list continues alphabetically by full name (sorted by first name, then last name).

Now these FAIAs originally signed up and were assigned a profile ID in sequential order. But to put them in front of the listing, and thus out of alphabetical order, it seems they had to create new profiles with new profile IDs:
Namesigned ca.orig. IDID changednew ID
Richard Gage, AIA, ArchitectMay 2007999969Nov 2009999979
Daniel B. Barnum, FAIASep 2008995586Nov 2009999974
David Paul Helpern, FAIAJul 2009990630Nov 2009999972
Kevin A. Kelly, FAIAJun 2009991120Nov 2009999970
Paul Stevenson Oles, FAIAOct 2009?Nov 2009999968
Eason Cross, FAIANov 2009985243Nov 2010999966
Harry G. Robinson III, FAIAAug 2010979326Nov 2010999964

So we see that IDs above 999960 are "special". The highest ID ever assigned automatically by the system to an A or E that I can find today was Gage's own 999969 - but that profile was deleted in november 2009, and he was assigned the new 999979. The next-highest, and thus oldest, ID is 999959 for Scott Page. Those two are also pinned to the top of their categories. The highest ID not pinned to the top is 999947 Don Gibbons.


Other "special", or prominent, profile IDs belong to:
Namesigned ca.orig. IDID changednew ID
David Ray GriffinOct 2007998854Nov 2009999987
Steven E. JonesAug 2007999007Oct 2007999989
Edward AsnerJan 2009999974Nov 2009999983
Robert M. BowmanJan 2008997465Nov 2009999985
  • Griffin was assigned celeb-ID 999984 between Nov 2007 and Nov 2009.
  • Jones was assigned his celeb-ID 999989 only until June 2010, then he signed up with a new, normal profile ID 980182 and is no longer on top of his category. However, with his first two IDs he was listed as "Other Supporter", while his current listing is as "Engineering Professional". His vita shows no engineering degree, though
  • Asner was apparently given a "celeb" ID right away, which changed later. Bowman was assigned ID 999979 (the ID that Gage has now) between September 08 and November 09.


The silly thing I mentioned was that Gage elevates the title "FAIA" to something of prominence, as if being a fellow of the AIA magically bestows you with extra qualifications to assess building collapses. From Kevin Kelly's profile:
"From a membership of more than 74,000, the AIA has fewer than 2,500 members who may be recognized with the designation of FAIA. Fellowship which requires at least 10 years of AIA membership along with significant architectural contributions on a national level."
Yadda yadda.
If Richard cares so much about FAIA then it is surprising that he does not become one. All you need is about 8 FAIA supporters; but I guess he doesnt have that many.
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Old 31st October 2012, 07:19 AM   #365
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Originally Posted by Richard the G View Post
If Richard cares so much about FAIA then it is surprising that he does not become one. All you need is about 8 FAIA supporters; but I guess he doesnt have that many.
Supporters could nominate him, but I guess he doesn't meet the requirements, and some AIA (Chapter?) board would have to vote yes. I guess with him not habing achieved anything beyond his region, and not having actually practiced architecture for several years, no board would elevate him.

Being a member of AE911Truth, on the other hand, is no problem.
Daniel Barnum signed the Petition in september 2008, and became a FAIA as of 2009. Another signer who has not been caught by Gage's backoffice is # 975855 Walter L. Wilson, who signed in november 2010 and became a FAIA as of 2011 (although new FAIAs for a year are chosen during the previous year, so it's possible they were awarded the honor after they signed). At the very least this shows that signing Gage's stupid petition is not a dangerous thing to do that would jeopardize your career advancements.
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Old 31st October 2012, 08:24 AM   #366
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... From Kevin Kelly's profile:
"From a membership of more than 74,000, the AIA has fewer than 2,500 members who may be recognized with the designation of FAIA. Fellowship which requires at least 10 years of AIA membership along with significant architectural contributions on a national level."
Yadda yadda.
By the way:

The most current figures I could find, from december 2011, are:

Over 80,000 AIA members total (that probably includes Associate AIA members)
Over 3,000 FAIA

Hence, close to 4% of the members are Fellows.

Gage has 374 architects (278) and architecture professionals (96).
87 (31% of licensed arch's) of these self-identify as AIA members, 10 (10% of arch pros) as Associate AIA.
7 are FAIA. That's 1.9% of all professionals, 2.5% of all licensed architects, and 7.2% of the self-identified AIA members.

Could it be that only about half the AIA members self-identify as such? What percentage of all architects are members of the AIA?
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End of month update!

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End of month / quarter update!

I'll try to keep this brief, as I see indications that Gage's backoffice still had a backlog of unprocessed signatures by the end of september - perhaps on the order of 100, of which the large majority would be "Other Supporters", and only a handful could be architects or engineers.
The current numbers on the ae911truth.org homepage have last been changed on the 29th of october, but the linked list of signers has been updated in the afternoon of the 31st, so I am going with these numbers.

There is thus currently no backlog at all - the last A&E signed up on the 30th, the last Other Supperter on the 31st.

At the beginning of october, though, approximately 10 A&E and 80 Other Supporters who had signed up in september had not been counted yet, so the october numbers are inflated by that much.

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A) Architects and engineers:

Aug 31: 1706
Sep 30: 1720
A) Architects and engineers:

Sep 30: 1720
Oct 31: 1742

Again, note that 10 of these additional 22 actually signed in september, and 12 in october. On the other hand, it is possible that some october signers aren't verified and in the list just yet. So I'll continue to comment and plot the numbers as if I didn't know this.

22 new signers in 31 days, 0.71 per day, is the best showing in twelve months. The annual growth rate of 16.2% is equivalent to each existing signer talking one peer into signing once every 6.2 years.
It is, however, still worse than last october, which had approximately 25 new signers (0.89/day).


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B) Other Supporters:

Sep 30: 15,470
Oct 31: 15756
Again, note, that about 80 of these 286 new signers were backlog from september, so september had actually about 480 instead of 400, and october ca. 206 instead of 286.

286 new signatures in 31 days, 9.2 per day, is the third best number in the past 12 months, but clearly worse than september, and also less than october 2011. The annual growth rate of 24.1% is equivalent to each existing signer convincing one new "member" once every 4.2 years.


Graphics:

The month-by-month development during the past 12 months:



Note that the increase of new A&E from september to october is misleading. The numbers for september would be higher, and those for october lower, if there dad not been a backlog a month ago.

Gage is clearly in his worst year ever. Of the last 12 month, 11 were worse than the the same month a year ago for both A&E and OS. Of the last 8 quarter years, all were worse in both categories than the same quarter a year earlier, and the current quarter is off to contine that trend. And so it is no wonder that the 2012 figures are trailing far behind all previous years:

In the next two diagrams, compare how individual years developed since 2007 - after peaking in 2009/10, numbers were dramatically down in 2011, and are even more dramatically down this year:






Page hits:

Daily page hits have developed like this since august:



A sharp spike on the anniversary on 9/11, some increased traffic around that date, but in all of october, there was a steady stream of clicks. I measured this every other day; of 16 2-day periods in october (two of these were only 1.5 days), 12 had between 5800 and 6800 page hits per day, average was 6364. For comparison: August had 5300 on average, and the year from august 2011 to juli 2012 had 7042 on average.


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What's ahead?

Like I said last month already, we will probably see a sharp drop after the september peak, as things return to normal.

But since, as I mentioned at the beginning of this post, their backoffice probably still has to process a number of signatures that came in during september, october might look decent - but november I predict to challange record lows.

Also in november, Gage's IRS statement, form 990 is due, which I expect to show a notable drop in revenues compared to 2010, in keeping with the fading interest in his petition.
What's ahead?

First, my predictions about october were correct with regard to increased numbers because of bacglog. However, october got more actual new signatures than I thought. Considering that the general internet population showed no particlar interest in the website, I am wondering why they still got more signatures in october than they got in the summer months. Gage got some TV exposition lately. Perhaps that's it?

November will be clearly down, but I am not as sure as I was that it will be practically dead (i.e. back to the june/july level)


C) Fundraisers

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Fundraiser #1 National College Outreach
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Started: Aug 21, 2012
Scheduled end: Oct 21, 2012 (61 days)
Target: US$ 9,600 ($157/day)
Raised so far (Sep 30): $8,085 (Aug 31: $5640.12)
Contributors: 44 (Aug 31: 16)
...
Fundraiser #1 National College Outreach

Purpose: "Support AE911Truth's ambitious effort this fall to take our message on a college speaking tour – beginning with APCA.com and NACA.org conference and showcases. Critical youth outreach."

Started: Aug 21, 2012
Ended: Oct 21, 2012 (61 days)
Target: US$ 9,600 ($157/day)
Raised (Oct 21): $9,600 (Sep 30: $8,085)
Contributors: 52 (Sep 30: 44)

8 contributors in October gave $1,515, that's an average of $189.38 per contributor, $72.14 per day - both values considerably better than what the previous fundraisers in 2012 had. But the numbers were again dominated by an individual donation, of $1,000 this time - after there had been even a $5,000 donation in august and three of $500 each in september. This puzzles me a bit - who are the domors of such amounts? The other 47 contributions combined added $2,100, or $44.68 per person.

The target of $9,600 was reached 12 days ahead of schedule, and they took off that fundraiser from the ae911truth homepage about a day later, even though it had not ended.

In total, this fundraiser collected $157.38 per day and $184.62 per contributor. The first value is the best in 2012; the second value is the best ever.

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Fundraiser #2 Journey for 9/11 Truth
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Started: Aug 21, 2012
Scheduled end: Oct 30, 2012 (70 days)
Target: US$ 3,200 ($46/day)
Raised so far (Sep 30): $2,280 (Aug 31: $1430)
Contributors: 32 (Aug 31: 8)
...
Fundraiser #2 Journey for 9/11 Truth

Purpose: "Support AE011Truth team leaders Pam Senzee & Rena Petty who have embarked on a 3,000 miles bike journey across the country – passing out DVDs and talking to everyone along the way"

Started: Aug 21, 2012
Ended: Oct 30, 2012 (70 days)
Target: US$ 3,200 ($46/day)
Raised : $3,415 (Sep 30: $2,280)
Contributors: 40 (Aug 31: 8)

$1,135 from 8 contributors in october is $141.88 per contributor and $37.83 per day. Almost all contibutions were under $61, but there were three contributions totalling $970 that pushed the fundraiser from 2,400 to above its target of 3,200. I didn't see them individually. One could speculate that there was a $800 donation that hit the target and then 2 more of 120 and 50 dollars, or perhaps whoever made the big one overshot the target. In contrast to the other fundraiser, this one had only 2 big donations, and both under a thousand.

In total, this fundraiser collected $48.79 per day and $85.38 per contributor. The first value is typical for 2012 and low compared to most fundraisers since 2009; the second value is pretty good.

0.57 contributions per day is their worst value ever.


And that is I think the real trend here: Gage's fundraisers are drawing fewer and fewer contributors, but he is able to make up for this "popular" support by getting more money from a few big spenders.
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Question A most shocking thought..

Could it actually be possible that ae911 might be a government operated shell company, maintained to keep the illusion alive that enough "experts" are speaking out against the hoax?

I can't see how this organization could receive single donations in the thousand dollar range, in front of the eyes of the approving US government. And let's be honest. Most of us truthseekers rather belong to the lower class, income-wise. These donations look suspicious to me, viewed from this angle.

Might this be where part of the missing 2.3 trillions went? Or Silverstein's insurance scam money? I may or may not be on to something here. Could it be that the hoax is more far-reaching than we could ever imagine?

What if the experts, scientists and PhD's who speak out against this hoax, people who have our boundless faith, are part of the operation??
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Originally Posted by Starving for Truth View Post
Could it actually be possible that ae911 might be a government operated shell company, maintained to keep the illusion alive that enough "experts" are speaking out against the hoax?

I can't see how this organization could receive single donations in the thousand dollar range, in front of the eyes of the approving US government. And let's be honest. Most of us truthseekers rather belong to the lower class, income-wise. These donations look suspicious to me, viewed from this angle.

Might this be where part of the missing 2.3 trillions went? Or Silverstein's insurance scam money? I may or may not be on to something here. Could it be that the hoax is more far-reaching than we could ever imagine?

What if the experts, scientists and PhD's who speak out against this hoax, people who have our boundless faith, are part of the operation??
You are probably right about the hilited part - you tend to have fewer members with college or even graduate education, and more with no college education. You are also mostly male, and older than the general internet audience. Despite being relatively older, you have kids less often, and use the internet more from home:


(Source: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ae911truth.org - click on "Audience")


From the same source, Traffic stats:



"Daily Reach" is the "Estimated percentage of global internet users who visit ae911truth.org".

Isn't that sweet: The two large peaks are 9/11/2011 and 9/11/2012. Last year's anniversary drew three times the global audience that this year's peak did. And right after last year's anniversary, the general background noise interest level was visibly lower than before.
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What would interest me is, are there any scientists in ae911truth who can exhibit a long history of peer-reviewed publications, who regularly file patents etc.. basically, who are REPUTABLE SCIENTISTS?!?

If not, then that would only confirm my suspicion that ae911truth is a group of paid shills cobbled together, as to give the impression to actual truth seekers that our cause is somewhat represented by scientists.

The 9/11 cover-up may reach deeper than we all could imagine.
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What would interest me is, are there any scientists in ae911truth who can exhibit a long history of peer-reviewed publications, who regularly file patents etc.. basically, who are REPUTABLE SCIENTISTS?!?
...
Well, architects and engineers are usually not scientists. Why would you expect them to publish?

Some are university faculty. Some don't really use their licenses for anything professional. You get the whole span. AE911Truth signers are neither particularly distingished nor can I see that they generally constitute the bottom-most rung of their respective trades. Major woo infects even smart and accomplished brains.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I see very little evidence that any of them changed their minds.
Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Perhaps the 10% figure is about right for those who signed and now don't believe.

I doubt the 90% remaining are all active supporters.
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Which 10% figure? Nobody claims that the believers are active Perhaps 10% are, as in "have on occasion done more than just sign the damned petition".
This 10% figure:

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Reading the ae911truth website the other day, I see they are recruiting fundraisers to contact all the people who have signed up to their web site. I bet you one question they dont ask them is do you believe that the towers were brought down by a controlled demolition.

They say that 9 out of 10 times the petition signers are glad to hear from the fundraisers. More "truth" I expect

at least it shows that 10% are not happy to be contacted by them.
And thanks for the update, Oystein.
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I found the article Richard the G is referring to.

http://ae911truth.org/en/news-sectio...perience-.html

Quote:
Joe D’Angelo became the Fundraising Team leader in 2011 after years of successful high-level fundraising for theatre companies in Chicago, and his talents have been crucial in funding AE911Truth activities around the world. “I’m a natural people person,” he explained, “and I’ve developed a knack of being able to talk to people on the telephone.”
At AE911Truth, calling signers of our petition is an uplifting experience. Unlike with “cold calls”, the people who are contacted by the Fundraising Team have already expressed their support for our efforts and shown the courage to stand with us as we continue to call for a real 9/11 investigation.
Sometimes petition signers find our fundraiser is the only person they know who shares the same views on 9/11, which leads to very informative and empowering phone conversations.
Nine out of 10 times, they’re glad to hear from us,” D’Angelo said.
I like this bit:

“We’re not telemarketers – we’re fundraisers"...

Sure, you are.
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A) Architects and engineers:

Sep 30: 1720
Oct 31: 1742
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Some sweet hilarity - nothing important, but worth a giggle or two:

The count that is on top of the homepage (ae911truth.org/) includes signers whose profiles are currently under review. These profiles are not listed on the list of signers (ae911truth.org/signpetition.php). It sometimes takes them months before they remember to review a profile.

My understanding is that their system automatically assignes a status of "pending" and keeps it off the list, but still counts it, when the member logs in an changes the profile (when you sign, you get an email with a link and a password). Perhaps there is not further notification to the people who do the verifying for Gage.

As of october 31st, they had 6 A&E profiles under review, so the count was 1742, but the list had only 1736 names.

Yesterday, they uploaded a new list with 1740 names, and no one is on review any longer. But look what happened:

1. No. 981814 Stephen Mark Bryner's[*] profile has been deleted. I guess that happens. I don't know why. That's an okay thing I guess.

2. No. 998847 Scott Nigel Hudson[*] of (formerly) Bristol, England (and more recently Devon, England) has magically morphed and is now William Tucker of Edingburgh, Scotland - his bio still pending (ETA: Profile is visible, but does not appear on list, and I also suspect it's not counted - could be a glitch)

3. No. 995806 Hans De Jonge changed his Personal statement. Before[*]:
Originally Posted by Hans De Jonge
In January 1970 I visited the Twin Towers under construction as a student structural engineering and was impressed by the sophisticated design and the new (for me) building philosophy of the huge inner columns and the outside steel frame leaving an enormous office space without any column on every floor. The impact of one airplane cannot damage this large structure very much because the support is instantly re-arranged to the undamaged support system. The total collapse is therefore technically impossible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxOD7Ad2TBE
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Originally Posted by Hans De Jonge
In January 1970 I visited the Twin Towers under construction as a student structural engineering and was impressed by the sophisticated design and the new (for me) building philosophy of the huge inner columns and the outside steel frame leaving an enormous office space without any column on every floor. The impact of one airplane cannot damage this large structure very much because the support is instantly re-arranged to the undamaged support system. This total collapse without explosives is therefore technically impossible. Even fire does not add to this impossibility. Only explosives in combination with an underground nuclear device can pulverize steel in the way it did. It is very sad the highly skilled perpetrators did not care about the killing of about 3000 innocent people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxOD7Ad2TBE
In blue: Changes to old version: Hilited: Hilarity! Gage's team accomodates nukers


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Old 2nd November 2012, 08:18 AM   #375
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We may expect a terrible "accident" or an unfortunate "suicide" soon...

The nuclear truth is taboo on mainstream media, AS WELL taboo on most 9/11 truth sites, which is evidence in itself that many 9/11 truth sites are government controlled.
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Old 2nd November 2012, 09:09 AM   #376
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Originally Posted by Starving for Truth View Post
We may expect a terrible "accident" or an unfortunate "suicide" soon...

The nuclear truth is taboo on mainstream media, AS WELL taboo on most 9/11 truth sites, which is evidence in itself that many 9/11 truth sites are government controlled.
As a matter of fact, Hans de Jonge's personal statement is the only one, at least among the A&E, that contains the word "nuke" or "nuclear" or "atomic", so you are right, it seems that Gage's men so far didn't dare to go that route. Perhaps they are widening the tent now to accommodate stupider and stupider twoofers
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Old 2nd November 2012, 09:45 AM   #377
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As a matter of fact, Hans de Jonge's personal statement is the only one, at least among the A&E, that contains the word "nuke" or "nuclear" or "atomic", so you are right, it seems that Gage's men so far didn't dare to go that route. Perhaps they are widening the tent now to accommodate stupider and stupider twoofers

How big can the tent get before it splits?
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Old 2nd November 2012, 11:16 AM   #378
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How big can the tent get before it splits?
We'll see when they start letting no-planers back in (officially*).

*they do have some but they just don't talk about it.
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Old 5th November 2012, 10:38 AM   #379
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End of month update!


The current numbers on the ae911truth.org homepage have last been changed on the 29th of october, but the linked list of signers has been updated in the afternoon of the 31st, so I am going with these numbers.
...
A) Architects and engineers:

Sep 30: 1720
Oct 31: 1742
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B) Other Supporters:

Sep 30: 15,470
Oct 31: 15,756
Today the updated the numbers on the front page for the first time since the 29th of october - and have me confused!

The numbers on the 29th were:

AE: 1,741
OS: 15,749

They are now:

AE: 1,739
OS: 15,828

Until a couple of hours ago, my count was:

AE: 1,740
OS: 15,788

So they lost another A&E - quite realistic, and I will surely catch who that is when they update the list.

But I don't see where they found 40 Other Supporters more than I found. Since the 29th and until right now, they added about 62-70 new profile IDs, of which 39 are now visible as OS and 3 as A&E. Their numbers indicate +79 OS since the 29th. It's possible that the difference of 40 constituted another backlog.

On top of this, their list of OS has, as of november 1st, 15,897 names, so for some reason their number is too low by at least 70! But they have ad this kind of discrepancy for a long time. It was around 50 at the end of july.

Not sure how I am going to handle this. Probably just act as if these additional 40 really popped up in november, but comment on it again at the end of the month.
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Old 16th November 2012, 03:28 AM   #380
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Just a side note:

AE filed a second extension for filing their form 990. This gives them until Nov 15th to disclose their financial records.

They must like to live dangerously. Four extensions in two years is a great big invitation for the IRS to investigate ones accounting practices. It's puzzling that their accountant would do this, their report is actually really straightforward and they're not all that large of an organisation.
The 15th was yesterday - no IRS Form 990 for 2011 on guidestar.org yet. Don't know if a delay is to be expected, but can't be much: Last year's 990 was dated Nov 14, and I downloaded it ten days later.


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As a matter of fact, Hans de Jonge's personal statement is the only one, at least among the A&E, that contains the word "nuke" or "nuclear" or "atomic", so you are right, it seems that Gage's men so far didn't dare to go that route. Perhaps they are widening the tent now to accommodate stupider and stupider twoofers
Wow - Hans de Jonge's profile has been deleted:
http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=995806

I wonder if Gage's backoffice reads this thread and purged him after I pointed out the nuke nonsense

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Old 16th November 2012, 04:11 AM   #381
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Mid-month update!
Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
A) Architects and engineers:

Sep 30: 1720
Oct 31: 1742
A) Architects and engineers:

Oct 31: 1742
Nov 15: 1741

As I explained on the 2nd and in my previous post, three profile profiles that had been under review have been deleted (well, two deleted, the other somehow "strange"). So there must be two new signers. I found one so far, not the other.

As predicted, november is very slow in this department.


Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
B) Other Supporters:

Sep 30: 15,470
Oct 31: 15756
B) Other Supporters:

Oct 31: 15,756
Nov 15: 15,940

That would be +184 in 15 days - but since the beginning of nov 01, the system has added only about 120 new profile IDs, of which 75 (5 per day) were approved and published as "Other Supporters". Almost every day, I see their front-page number increase by a larger margin than the number of actual new signers, so what's going on?

A reason could be that they are working to fix the discrepancy between the number of OS shown on the front page and the number actually listed (the latter is larger, as I mentioned on the 5th), and find a handful every day among the older profile IDs. But since they haven't updated that list (A&E, OS) in two weeks now, I can't verify that yet.

If I go with my (realistic) count, november so far is weaker than the previous three months, but stronger than march-july.


C) Page hits

Average daily increase of page hit counter in recent months:

Aug: 5306
Sep: 10779
Oct: 6364
Nov: 5837 (through the 15th, midnight)


D) Fundraisers

A new fundraiser was started a week ago:

ESO on PBS and Cable TV

Purpose: "Outreach to PBS, NPR, Cable-TV Stations"

Started: Nov 08, 2012
Ends: Dec 07, 2012 (30 days)
Target: US$ 8,800 ($293/day)
Raised (Nov 14): $125
Contributors: 2

This received an initial donation of $100 on the first day, another for $25 on the second - and then nothing for a week. No way in hell are they going to get even close of the target!
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Old 16th November 2012, 06:21 AM   #382
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wtf do they need $9K to 'reach out' to tv stations? Does it cost to send emails to media or something?
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Old 16th November 2012, 06:30 AM   #383
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
The 15th was yesterday - no IRS Form 990 for 2011 on guidestar.org yet. Don't know if a delay is to be expected, but can't be much: Last year's 990 was dated Nov 14, and I downloaded it ten days later.



I just sent Tania a reminder to forward a copy to me. She's pretty good about getting it done quickly.
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Old 16th November 2012, 08:25 AM   #384
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post
wtf do they need $9K to 'reach out' to tv stations? Does it cost to send emails to media or something?
It sounds better than "Need money for 1st-class travel and slick hotels".
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Old 16th November 2012, 05:59 PM   #385
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Could it actually be possible that ae911 might be a government operated shell company, maintained to keep the illusion alive that enough "experts" are speaking out against the hoax?
Sure, if you think genuine Truthers are too stupid to recognize ineffectual leadership.
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Old 16th November 2012, 06:34 PM   #386
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wtf do they need $9K to 'reach out' to tv stations? Does it cost to send emails to media or something?
Isn't that what the "Building What" money is supposed to do?

Have they just swept "Building What" under the rug?
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Why do duhbunkers question the where-abouts of money raised in 9/11 truth fundraisers? So what if people try to spread truth and make some bucks along the way? Is that a crime? What do you care what these people do with that money, none of your business me thinks.

Why don't debunkers question the official fairy tale instead?
Donald Rumsfeld admitted that 2.3 trillion dollars were missing one day prior to 9/11. What about the missing gold in the WTC? What about Larry Silverstein's 6.5 billion insurance deal?
I think this is evidence enough to warrant a new investigation into the criminal events of 9/11.

Follow the money trail.
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Old 17th November 2012, 11:54 AM   #388
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Wow - Hans de Jonge's profile has been deleted:

I wonder if Gage's backoffice reads this thread and purged him after I pointed out the nuke nonsense
Sure they read us. Thats what gives them the energy to keep fighting.
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Old 17th November 2012, 11:57 AM   #389
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Why do duhbunkers question the where-abouts of money raised in 9/11 truth fundraisers? ...<snip>...

Why do you NOT?
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Old 17th November 2012, 12:01 PM   #390
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I love your graphs Oystein. Especially those that show ae911truth has the smallest growth rate since it started.

But I wonder if that is what you expect the larger the organization the more people will leave through death, infirmaty and simply changing their mind.

So while the groiwth is smaller than ever before it takes account of people who stop supporting ae911truth.
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Old 17th November 2012, 12:10 PM   #391
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Why do you NOT?
Heh heh, 'duhbunkers'. 'ergo' is good source material for a Poe.
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Heh heh, 'duhbunkers'. 'ergo' is good source material for a Poe.

Oh dear, I must've gotten my trolls, TRU BelieversTM, and satirists lists mixed up again. Though, given the impotence of the actual so-called truth movement, I think that hardly matters
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Originally Posted by Richard the G View Post
I love your graphs Oystein. Especially those that show ae911truth has the smallest growth rate since it started.

But I wonder if that is what you expect the larger the organization the more people will leave through death, infirmaty and simply changing their mind.

So while the groiwth is smaller than ever before it takes account of people who stop supporting ae911truth.
Could you rephrase this?

The size of the organisation should have little to do with the ratio of attrition to new prospects.
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Old 17th November 2012, 01:33 PM   #394
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Originally Posted by Richard the G View Post
I love your graphs Oystein. Especially those that show ae911truth has the smallest growth rate since it started.

But I wonder if that is what you expect the larger the organization the more people will leave through death, infirmaty and simply changing their mind.

So while the groiwth is smaller than ever before it takes account of people who stop supporting ae911truth.
No.

I have recorded 71 "hard" deletions of profiles since 2007. These are pretty uniformly distributed over these almost 6 years. If deletions grew with population, they should be growing as well - strangely, they aren't.

The AE911Truth office generally does not notice when signers die, become infirm, and only notice they change their mind if the signers actively notify it of their reconsideration.
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Old 18th November 2012, 09:11 AM   #395
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Could you rephrase this?

The size of the organisation should have little to do with the ratio of attrition to new prospects.

What is the date that Gage needs his 990 filed? Guidestar.org as of today have not posted it.
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What is the date that Gage needs his 990 filed? Guidestar.org as of today have not posted it.
Nov 15th. I already have my request in for a copy. Guidestar can take months to actually post it.
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Nov 15th. I already have my request in for a copy. Guidestar can take months to actually post it.

ah! Great, thanks!
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Old 21st November 2012, 05:40 AM   #398
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They are now [Nov 11th]:

AE: 1,739
OS: 15,828

Until a couple of hours ago, my count was:

AE: 1,740
OS: 15,788

So they lost another A&E - quite realistic, and I will surely catch who that is when they update the list.

But I don't see where they found 40 Other Supporters more than I found. Since the 29th and until right now, they added about 62-70 new profile IDs, of which 39 are now visible as OS and 3 as A&E. Their numbers indicate +79 OS since the 29th. It's possible that the difference of 40 constituted another backlog.

On top of this, their list of OS has, as of november 1st, 15,897 names, so for some reason their number is too low by at least 70! But they have ad this kind of discrepancy for a long time. It was around 50 at the end of july.

Not sure how I am going to handle this. Probably just act as if these additional 40 really popped up in november, but comment on it again at the end of the month.
Note to self: As of Nov 19th, Number of OS in list is 15,996, front page claims 15,962 (give or take a couple).
So the discrepancy has decreased by about 36, to 34.
During the same time (nov. 5th-19th), the number on the front page increased by 133, but I only find about 63 actual new signers.
Very strange...
Seems like they have been trying to fix some glitches in the database.
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Old 21st November 2012, 08:43 AM   #399
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wtf do they need $9K to 'reach out' to tv stations? Does it cost to send emails to media or something?
You give me a competent PR girl person and $9K, and you're gonna see my story on TV. Gage? Not so much.
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I uploaded an Excel spreadsheet with all A&E (1,748 as of today) and Other Supporters (15,996 as of a week ago), the former complete with Bios and Personal Statements, to a permanent (bookmarkable) link:

ae911truth_all.xls

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