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Tehran high-rise collapse due to fire / Explosion causes collapse of the Plasco bldg?
A fire in a 17-storey mall in Tehran caused the building to collapse about an hour ago. It was carried on live TV.
It was designed by a Jewish-Iranian in 1960s, who was executed in 1980s. I suspect the usual suspects will pin the blame on Israel as a result. It will be rather funny to watch Richard Gage trying to explain it away ![]() McHrozni |
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Looks steel framed to me......
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Looks like a top-down progressive collapse initiating from a failure of one wall, from the information available at the moment, though I haven't seen the video footage. Pictures of the fire show flames from some windows but none from most, and reports say that the fire was fought for hours and then the building collapsed in seconds. It all sounds horribly familiar.
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Me: So what you're saying is that, if the load carrying ability of the lower structure is reduced to the point where it can no longer support the load above it, it will collapse without a jolt, right? Tony Szamboti: That is right |
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You know they will sweep the investigation under the rug, they will not look for explosives or thermite.
No way a giant stack effect fire causes this type of destruction to a steel framed sky scraper, had to be metal munching thermite powered moon mice. I feel for the people of Tehran, sorry this happened to them. |
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Indeed.
I also feel sorry for those ****wits whose brains are so addled that they see conspiracy where-ever they look, but more so for those tireless individuals who counter this stupidity on a daily basis. Damn, that's an enormous building, and will have taken a few others out with it as it collapsed outside of its footprint. |
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Some good pics from Reuters here. It does appear it was a steel framed building based on the structural elements visible in the debris pile.
And here's a much better video view. It looks like floors collapsed internally, ejecting air from one side, before the total collapse initiated in earnest. |
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The building was a shopping complex, and was involved in garment manufacturing, Gage will use that to indicate the building had an unusually high fuel load, and Tony's, Gage's and Ziggi's fantasy will continue!
That is my prediction from looking at what specifics I can find. PS. Don't tell Gage I snuck the thermite into the building!. ![]() Could we have a moment a moment of contemplating for the victim and there families, at 12 eastern time today, as a show of respect please? |
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Note also that most floors had burned out, at least near the windows well before the collapse. Also, floor failure led collapse would be indicated due to several columns remaining to fail after the building had come down.
AND It collapsed into itself mostly in it's own foot print! But, but, but, <<sputter, choke>> THAT can't happen without 'splosives. |
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There are multiple videos on line now, and it's very clearly similar to the WTC collapses, in one you can even see "squibs" as the floors progressively fail. Obviously, this is case closed to all arguments that fire alone couldn't bring down a building, but naturally, the conspiracy types will hand wave/ignore it.
Fire-fighting in a high rise has to be one of the most terrifying experiences for a firefighter. I can't imagine. My condolences to those families who lost loved ones. |
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This is what I had feared for so long people not learning from 9/11/2001, these lives need not have been lost evacuate the building and let it burn out, or collapse.
You can tell by how the fire burns if the building is likely to be compromised. This building was doomed to collapse before it ever fell. |
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/te...-state-n708721
Has a pic that seems to show diagonal bracing of the exterior frame. That would possibly make it stronger in one plane, than the WTC tower's or #7's exterior frame.
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it's a shame the guy was talking over the CD explosions. gonna make it harder for the trolls to prove again.
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"Suicide Iranian Fire fighters plant explosives to prove 9/11 WTC collapses were due to fire" pushed on DIF in 3..2..1.......
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Here's a picture of the building frame during construction. Looks like a pretty standard steel framed building.
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What you guys all fail to realize is that this building in Iran was only 17 stories tall. Obviously fire knows how tall a building is and can look at this one and say you're short enough, I'll bring you down, where a building like 7 WTC is toooooo tall so fire will just say I'm not even gonna try.
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I think it would be highly atypical to use reinforced concrete to make such slender columns as can be seen internally through the frame. Also, as I understand it, reinforced concrete cores have only come into use in high rise buildings in the last 20-30 years due to drastic improvements in concrete strength. I don't think a concrete core would be expected in a building as old as this one, though it is not quite a high rise per se, so perhaps even older concrete methods allowed for it. Ultimately, I'd wager the internal beams are steel as well, but, as you say, we don't know for sure.
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I blame the CIA...
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Well it looks like a controlled demolition, so I'm convinced it was thermite.
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Where's Szamboti? Will he claim he saw a video where some Jew said he ordered it demolished?
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I look forward to Loose Change part 5
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But this fire is different. It wasn't started by a hologram of a plane crashing into it. Surely it was demolished using invisible thermite for insurance money that will be paid to all known members of the Bilderberg group.
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Truthers are already hypothesizing that this 50+ year old steel framed building that burned for 3 hours before collapsing was a controlled demolition. They think so because "squibs" and at least one flash could be seen as it collapsed. The poor fools are so epistemologically crippled that it never occurs to them that such "squibs" and flashes are, and have always been, characteristics of a large building that is collapsing, and not exclusively of a large building being intentionally demolished. Just amazing how powerfully people will distort reality to reach their preferred conclusion.
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I don't speak Arabic, but if you listen closely, just before it comes down, you can hear someone in the background say, "Pull it."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI
This is a much better angle. It shows ejections of dust or smoke coming out of the building looking very similar to the ones from the WTC. Here is an alledgedly original piece of footage with very clear sound of the collapse and a very clear view of the ejections of material: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI A compilation with several interesting views of the collapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9Q9RME4PM |
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