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Old Today, 11:17 AM   #1721
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Microtargeting and messaging are completely different things, but okay.
And?

Poor messaging is obvious. Those links went to the whole picture. The Democrats get killed during most campaigns and it's incomprehensible they don't hire marketing experts.
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Old Today, 11:18 AM   #1722
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
It's richly and hilariously ironic that you're saying that in the context of a frontrunner whose basic message is "Dream Big, Fight Hard", when your preferred candidates, who are doing quite poorly indeed, seem to be sticking to something more like "Aim Low, Let the Republicans Come to You."
Did it work for Bernie?

That's an absurd false dichotomy, BTW.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Despite all the shade being cast on Mayor Pete hereabouts -- sans one shred of specific evidence -- he's the one candidate that got a bounce from the last debate, according to a recent poll.

Buttigieg surges in Iowa poll
Every time I've heard him speak he's impressed the hell out of me. He's not as liberal as many people would like though. If he wasn't gay, I'm pretty sure he would be the frontrunner. Eloguent, erudite, clean cut, a military veteran, middle America.

You gotta wonder how Muslim countries would react. I mean this person would be stoned in many of them.
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Looks like Pete's been in the #3 spot in Iowa since early October:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...rimary-d/iowa/
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
The electibility argument always struck me as a bit speculative. "please vote for this candidate in the primary, despite not really liking him very much, because other voters in the general will like him more than you do".

I'm not in the mind reading business when I vote. I can't know if some empty suit like Buttigieg will appeal to some MAGA chud in Ohio or not. I only know that Buttigieg strikes me, personally, as totally uninteresting.

In the the wake of the HRC failure, I am deeply skeptical of the appeal of technocratic centrists. It is becoming increasingly clear that they strike most everyone, left and right, as terribly unappealing.
You have to admit electability is unusually important this go round.

And as far as Clinton, I don't think winning by 3 million votes and still losing by a couple thousand in three states means she was unappealing.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
It's rare, sure, but the conditions were favorable for a continued D hold of the executive. Obama was very popular throughout his term and HRC benefited as his successor.

Trump was a uniquely weak candidate and HRC still lost.
Let's get back to the 2020 election here and the elephant in the room that you seem to have forgotten: foreign intervention and a massive pro-Trump social media campaign is going to happen again.

Zuckerberg already made an excuse so he doesn't have to police outright false campaign ads from FaceBook under the faux pretense of free speech. And I doubt it's a coincidence that Warren is threatening to break up big monopolies like FaceBook while Trump gave wealthy people like Zuckerberg and his friends a huge tax break.

At least the media isn't covering every minute of Trump's Nuremburg rallies. Let's hope that doesn't change, but it wouldn't surprise me if Trump started saying things even more outrageous at those rallies to garner more free publicity.

Someone needs to start asking these candidates what their plans are to combat massive ads and other sharing of items on social media that push GOP propaganda.
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USA Today notes that it may be a three-person race in Iowa, but not the three we thought, as Pete Buttigieg elbows his way past Bernie into third place.

Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg has apparently given Buttigieg some advice on campaign hires.
Interesting considering FaceBook refused to take down false claims about the Bidens' corruption.

Maybe they are sleeper cells (I know, I know, no evidence) or maybe Zuck isn't pro-Trump after all.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Interesting considering FaceBook refused to take down false claims about the Bidens' corruption.

Maybe they are sleeper cells (I know, I know, no evidence) or maybe Zuck isn't pro-Trump after all.
Zuck is pro money. He's a selfish centered prick. He made a fortune in the last election off the Russians and he doesn't want to jeopardize that revenue stream.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Let's get back to the 2020 election here and the elephant in the room that you seem to have forgotten: foreign intervention and a massive pro-Trump social media campaign is going to happen again.

Zuckerberg already made an excuse so he doesn't have to police outright false campaign ads from FaceBook under the faux pretense of free speech. And I doubt it's a coincidence that Warren is threatening to break up big monopolies like FaceBook while Trump gave wealthy people like Zuckerberg and his friends a huge tax break.

At least the media isn't covering every minute of Trump's Nuremburg rallies. Let's hope that doesn't change, but it wouldn't surprise me if Trump started saying things even more outrageous at those rallies to garner more free publicity.

Someone needs to start asking these candidates what their plans are to combat massive ads and other sharing of items on social media that push GOP propaganda.
Problem for Trump is th emore outrageous things he says, the more he drives away everybody who is not already a member of the his cult.
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