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Old 29th June 2019, 11:40 AM   #401
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Originally Posted by TomG View Post
In fact, it would be far more likely that Amanda would be protective of Lumumba rather than Rudy. He had given her a job and their working relationship was good as he confirmed in court.

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I don't see her needing to be protective of either one but she certainly had no reason to try and frame Lumumba in order to protect Guede.

If her goal had been to set up Lumumba, she'd have been much more eager to point him out to the police in a negative way. Instead of just including his name in the list of people Meredith knew, as requested by the police, she'd have claimed he had made comments about Meredith to her such as "Patrick asked me lots of questions about Meredith. I kind of got the feeling he had a crush on her which was weird because he's married with a kid and all." Instead, within hours of her accusation against him, she tells the police that she can't be sure that anything she said about him is reliable because she's so confused and that she wasn't even there is more real than the confused memories that she was. Nothing supports the idea that she was covering for Guede.
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Old 29th June 2019, 11:53 AM   #402
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What you've written is, essentially, Judge Massei's theory of the crime, a theory he used to convict in 2009.

He wrote that it had all boiled down to an inexplicable "choice for evil", once (in his view) Knox and Sollecito discovered that Guede had been attacking the victim in the victim's bedroom.

Massei went further to posit that this choice for evil was because Knox had been away from the moral norms of her upbringing for the first time.

So it's more bizarre than this silly claim that "Knox had covered for Guede". Occams Razor begs for attention here....

.... rather than inventing out of whole cloth other bizarre factoids which need to be invented for a conviction to stand, why not bow to the simplest explanation? Ie. that neither Sollecito nor Knox had been there.....

BTW - "other bizarre factoids" include positing that Knox had carried the kitchen knife from Sollecito's for some other purpose than murder, because even Judge Massei couldn't see how any of this had been premeditated. Everyone here can add more of these....

BTW2 - and those multiple bizarre evidenceless factoid become the fodder for thinking that "all the other evidence" adds up to something, as claimed by Stefano Maffei, the one reputable Italian lawyer who agrees with the guilter-nutters.
Exactly. Massei had to invent a (ludicrous) reason with no supporting evidence: two excellent students with no history of violence or serious encounters with the police spontaneously go full blown "evil" and sexually assault and kill someone who had done them no harm. Happens all the time!
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Old 29th June 2019, 11:55 AM   #403
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Let's think about your claim logically.

Marasca declares that Knox and Sollecito were not involved in the murder itself in Kercher's bedroom even IF they were in the house. Therefore, Knox and Sollecito were in another part of the house, such as Knox's bedroom as one judge hypothesized. So when Guede murdered Kercher alone in an unpremeditated attack, what crime had AK and RS committed that they needed to cover up? None. Why would they need to cover for Guede at all? They had done nothing to hide from the police and there was no existing friendship between Guede and the other two that would cause them to want to protect him.
He was definitely a friend of Knox'. She egged him on.
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Old 29th June 2019, 11:56 AM   #404
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Originally Posted by TomG View Post
In fact, it would be far more likely that Amanda would be protective of Lumumba rather than Rudy. He had given her a job and their working relationship was good as he confirmed in court.

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And look how she shafted him. Just to conceal the part she and Guede played in the murder of her roommate.
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Old 29th June 2019, 12:06 PM   #405
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
He was definitely a friend of Knox'. She egged him on.
I can only conclude that your definition of "friend" is someone you have served a drink in your capacity of waitress once or twice and both happened to attend one spontaneous get together at someone's house. I don't think that's the normal definition of a 'friend'.

ETA: And aside from said get together and drink service, no other interaction took place between these 'friends'. Yep, that's some kind of "friendship"!

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Old 29th June 2019, 12:10 PM   #406
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And look how she shafted him. Just to conceal the part she and Guede played in the murder of her roommate.
I'll repeat since it appears you missed it
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If her goal had been to set up Lumumba, she'd have been much more eager to point him out to the police in a negative way. Instead of just including his name in the list of people Meredith knew, as requested by the police, she'd have claimed he had made comments about Meredith to her such as "Patrick asked me lots of questions about Meredith. I kind of got the feeling he had a crush on her which was weird because he's married with a kid and all." Instead, within hours of her accusation against him, she tells the police that she can't be sure that anything she said about him is reliable because she's so confused and that she wasn't even there is more real than the confused memories that she was. Nothing supports the idea that she was covering for Guede.


ETA: Still not capable of admitting that Krissy G was wrong in claiming that Guede ever referred to the knife as a "stiletto", heh? Why do you have such trouble admitting she is wrong? I know you have trouble with it, but you can't even admit she is wrong?

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Old 29th June 2019, 01:06 PM   #407
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
He was definitely a friend of Knox'. She egged him on.
You must have missed the 2015 Supreme Court exoneration. You keep banging this drum, and you offer no proof - just libelous statements.
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Old 29th June 2019, 01:09 PM   #408
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
And look how she shafted him. Just to conceal the part she and Guede played in the murder of her roommate.
This is a libelous statement, now permanently preserved in this thread.
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Old 29th June 2019, 01:11 PM   #409
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ROTFLMAO! The latest on TJMK is to post a Vivaldi concerto and call it "Meredith's Perugia #39". It has absolutely no relevance to Meredith or the case. Quennell is getting more and more desperate to keep his little kingdom going by posting something, anything. Sorry, Slick Pete, but Elvis has left the building.
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Old 29th June 2019, 01:13 PM   #410
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Originally Posted by Bill Williams View Post
You must have missed the 2015 Supreme Court exoneration. You keep banging this drum, and you offer no proof - just libelous statements.
She hasn't missed it...she just doesn't understand it.
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Old 29th June 2019, 02:04 PM   #411
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One thing that's perplexing me is that if it is incumbent on Italy to redress the case to the point before the human rights violations took place it means that Italy can't even argue that Amanda was a suspect before Donnino's arrival since they have argued that she was only a witness for long enough; therefore, the case would have to be redressed to the point when Amanda was only a witness, making a resolution more emphatic in her favour. If Amanda had been a suspect before the interrogations as we have long argued it implies that the stage where the violations took place now become a bit murkier since Amanda would still theoretically have a case to answer as a suspect.

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So here's the thing about the ECHR judgment in Knox v. Italy: As stated in the judgment, the judges restrict the judgment conclusions to the issues and claims relating to Amanda's conviction for calunnia against Patrick Lumumba.

One reason for this is that Amanda was finally and definitively acquitted by the Italian Supreme Court of Cassation of ANY involvement in the murder/rape of Meredith Kercher. According to ECHR case-law, if someone is finally acquitted in a case, that person generally cannot apply to the ECHR claiming that they have received an unfair trial. The only claims that would be examined by the ECHR would be those relating to violations that survive the acquittal, such as unredressed violations of Article 3, Article 6 relating to excessive length of trial, Article 8 relating to violations of privacy, and perhaps a few others, possibly including unfair detention in violation of Article 5, except that the 6-month limit for application for that would be long expired (although the ECHR has sometimes allowed such claims past that time limit when there was conclusive evidence of bad faith by the authorities).

Furthermore, being a suspect, whether fairly or not, is not in itself a violation of the Convention. But having been finally and definitively acquitted of the murder/rape, Amanda is no longer a suspect and can no longer be tried for the circumstances related to that crime, even if it is given some new legal interpretation, under Italian law (CPP Article 649) and the Convention (Article 4).
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Old 29th June 2019, 02:56 PM   #412
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He was definitely a friend of Knox'. She egged him on.
Oh, of course. And Sollecito just sat there like a bump on a log while she did so. Which must have been kinda awkward considering he didn't know Guede from Adam. No credible evidence exists the two men ever laid eyes on each other outside of a courtroom in Perugia. Which is something guilter lunatics have never been able to reconcile. It's pretty funny to consider what goes on in their warped minds....since they are incapable of accepting his obvious break-in to the cottage, they can't figure out what the hell he was even doing there.
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Old 29th June 2019, 03:27 PM   #413
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Rudy Guede is out and about.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/940212...elease-prison/
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Old 29th June 2019, 03:27 PM   #414
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Now, now, AnimalFriendly! Don't you know that Raffaele was Trilby to Amanda's Svengali? After a whole week of knowing each other, she had him so firmly under her control that he was no longer able to defy her...including standing by while she 'egged on' a man he'd never met while that man raped and murdered a woman Raff had no beef with.
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Old 29th June 2019, 03:35 PM   #415
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He was definitely a friend of Knox'. She egged him on.
Then maybe you should take your frustrations on this case out on the idiot prosecution team who made no real attempts whatsoever to get Guede to testify against his supposed accomplice who "egged him on" which allowed them to walk and him to get a rather cushy sentence without having to do anything.

The reason why guilters are idiots and fanatics and can't be taken seriously isn't because you think Amanda Knox is guilty, but because you blame her and her defense team for the outcome of this case, and not the useless garbage and incompetent prosecution.

Now to be clear, the prosecution always had an uphill battle due to the unfortunate reality of the defendants factual innocence, but obviously you guilters aren't aware of that so couldn't hold it against them, which makes your view all the stranger. So dumb lol
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Old 29th June 2019, 03:36 PM   #416
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Guede's been doing that since at least 2016. But I did have to laugh at the Sun's need to go all tabloid with the "smirking" bit; it looks like a regular smile. This is the kind of crap that these tabloids pull. If I had my wish, tabloids would be illegal as they cause so much harm. People who buy them are idiots.
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Old 29th June 2019, 04:04 PM   #417
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Guede's been doing that since at least 2016. But I did have to laugh at the Sun's need to go all tabloid with the "smirking" bit; it looks like a regular smile. This is the kind of crap that these tabloids pull. If I had my wish, tabloids would be illegal as they cause so much harm. People who buy them are idiots.
But isn't it odd that we don't hear from Maresca, the Kerchers' lawyer, about how this repeated release of Guede, the convicted rapist and murderer of Meredith Kercher, is disrespectful to the Kerchers?
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But isn't it odd that we don't hear from Maresca, the Kerchers' lawyer, about how this repeated release of Guede, the convicted rapist and murderer of Meredith Kercher, is disrespectful to the Kerchers?
The enduring mystery is why those most yearning for the truth have not apologised to Amanda and Raffaele.
Did the Kercher family receive compensation money from either directly or indirectly? This is often the great distorting influence.
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Old 29th June 2019, 05:29 PM   #419
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The enduring mystery is why those most yearning for the truth have not apologised to Amanda and Raffaele.
Did the Kercher family receive compensation money from either directly or indirectly? This is often the great distorting influence.
Are you asking if either Knox or Sollecito paid any money to the Kerchers? If so, then 'no'. The civil lawsuit against them was dismissed with the definitive
criminal case acquittal as per Italian law.
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Are you asking if either Knox or Sollecito paid any money to the Kerchers? If so, then 'no'. The civil lawsuit against them was dismissed with the definitive
criminal case acquittal as per Italian law.
Thank you, I thought this was the case. I see no obstacle to them ceasing to play dumb.
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Thank you, I thought this was the case. I see no obstacle to them ceasing to play dumb.
Can you please clarify what you mean by that last sentence?
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Can you please clarify what you mean by that last sentence?
If not being confronted by an ethical obligation to return money, accepting the evidence and where it leads is much easier.
There are many cases where money has been transferred to the relatives of victims when convictions are entered and those convictions are false. These relatives monotonously complain at further court proceedings.
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If not being confronted by an ethical obligation to return money, accepting the evidence and where it leads is much easier.
There are many cases where money has been transferred to the relatives of victims when convictions are entered and those convictions are false. These relatives monotonously complain at further court proceedings.
Ah...I thought that's what you meant but I wanted to be sure. Along that same thought re money payouts, there is a person in another forum I belong to who insists he believes Knox is innocent yet never misses an opportunity to disparage her on a personal level...especially her sex life. One thing he attacks her on is her failure to pay Lumumba. I've pointed out to him several times that no lawyer would advise her pay up before the calunnia conviction had played itself out through the ECHR and a possible revision which could annul the conviction. Try and get the money back if the conviction, and thus the monetary judgment to Lumumba, is reversed!
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Italy generally abides by the final judgments of the ECHR, and may be expected to in the case Knox v. Italy. An example of Italy's response to an ECHR judgment is shown below:

This is Italy's most recent response (Action Plan/Report to the CoM) for a case, LOREFICE v. Italy 63446/13 29.06.2017 [judgment available in French (official) and Italian; press release available in English], in which the ECHR found a violation of Article 6.1 (unfair trial – failure of a convicting court to hear relevant witnesses).

Source: https://hudoc.exec.coe.int/eng#{%22sort%22:[%22EXECFinalJudgmentDate%20Descending%22],%22EXECDocumentTypeCollection%22:[%22CEC%22],%22EXECLanguage%22:[%22FRE%22],%22EXECState%22:[%22ITA%22],%22EXECThemeDomain%22:[%2211%22],%22EXECAPStatus%22:[%221%22]}

Description de l’affaire:
Cette affaire concerne le caractère inéquitable d’une procédure pénale engagée contre le requérant accusé d’extorsion, de détention de produits explosifs, de dégradation des biens d’autrui, de connivence et de tentative de vol. En particulier la Cour européenne a constaté une violation de l’article 6 § 1 de la Convention car la relaxe initiale du requérant a été infirmée en appel sans qu’il y ait eu de nouvelle audition des témoins à charge.

Etat d’exécution:
Le 20 décembre 2017, les autorités ont transmis des informations préliminaires sur les mesures individuelles et générales dans cette affaire (DH-DD(2018)36), qui peuvent être résumées comme suit:

Mesures individuelles:
Suite à la requête de révision proposé par le requérant, le 3 octobre 2017 la Cour d’appel de Palerme a suspendu l’exécution de son arrêt du 15 février 2012 et a ordonné la libération immédiate du requérant.

Le 26 octobre 2017, la Cour d’appel de Caltanissetta, juridiction devant laquelle le procès en révision est pendant, a admis les preuves requises par l’avocat du requérant. La Cour a ordonné le renouvellement de l’instruction et l’audition des témoins exigés par la défense (audience du 1er février 2018), conformément aux principes affirmés par la Cour européenne.

Mesures générales:
Les autorités italiennes rappellent que suite à l’adoption de la loi du 23 juin 2017, no. 103, l’article 603 du code de procédure pénale («renouvellement de l’instruction à l’audience de plaidoirie») envisage «qu’en cas d’appel du parquet contre un jugement d’acquittement pour des raisons concernant l’évaluation de la preuve orale, le juge dispose le renouvellement de l’instruction».

English translation by Google with help from me and Collins Reverso:

Description of the case:
This case concerns the unfairness of criminal proceedings against the applicant, accused of extortion, possession of explosives, damage to the property of others, complicity and attempted theft. In particular, the European Court found a violation of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention because the applicant's initial acquittal was reversed on appeal without the appeal court hearing the prosecution witnesses.

State of execution:
On 20 December 2017, the authorities provided preliminary information on the individual and general measures in this case (DH-DD (2018) 36), which can be summarized as follows:

Individual measures:
Following the applicant's request for review, on 3 October 2017 the Palermo Court of Appeal suspended the execution of its judgment of 15 February 2012 and ordered the immediate release of the applicant.

On October 26, 2017, the Caltanissetta Court of Appeal, the jurisdiction before which the retrial is pending, admitted the evidence required by the applicant's lawyer. The Court ordered the re-trial and hearing of the witnesses required by the defense (hearing on 1 February 2018), in accordance with the principles affirmed by the European Court.

General measures:
The Italian authorities recall that following the adoption of the law of 23 June 2017, no. 103, Article 603 of the Code of Criminal Procedure ("reopening of the court's hearing for the defense") envisages "that in case of appeal of the prosecution against a judgment of acquittal for reasons relating to the assessment of the oral evidence, the judge orders the reopening of the hearing {including for the defense}".

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Old 30th June 2019, 02:29 AM   #425
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And look how she shafted him. Just to conceal the part she and Guede played in the murder of her roommate.
There's no evidence to suggest any such thing. We don't know with any certainty what was said at the interrogation but the need to drag Donnino out of her bed to travel 40km to Perugia to act as "a mediator" as she confessed in court, rules out any spontaneity in anything Amanda might have said. Donnino's involvement means that there was an impasse in the proceedings, further indicating that Amanda's thinking had to be influenced. I doubt very much that Lumumba would have been fingered if it weren't for the actions of Donnino.

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If I remember correctly, Knox was paid compensation for false imprisonment less the two years for the remaining calumnia conviction. Now that this has been reversed by the ECHR, will Italy now pay her for that as well?
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If I remember correctly, Knox was paid compensation for false imprisonment less the two years for the remaining calumnia conviction. Now that this has been reversed by the ECHR, will Italy now pay her for that as well?
RoseM, I don't remember reading that Amanda Knox had received any compensation for false imprisonment or any similar compensation from Italy.

Do you have a source for this claim?

My understanding that since the calunnia conviction had a sentence of three years, and her detention awaiting trial under the murder/rape charges was one year, she would not be entitled under Italian law to any compensation for the three years attributed to the calunnia charge unless there was a revision (a dismissal or acquittal after conviction) and that the initial detention most likely would not be compensated under Italian law because the Italian courts could claim that her (coerced) statements from the Nov. 5/6 interrogation, relating to seeing Lumumba commit the murder/rape, justified the detention.

Italian law would allow, but not assure, compensation for the full extent of her detention and imprisonment for the calunnia charge following a revision of the calunnia conviction.

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So here's the thing about the ECHR judgment in Knox v. Italy: As stated in the judgment, the judges restrict the judgment conclusions to the issues and claims relating to Amanda's conviction for calunnia against Patrick Lumumba.

One reason for this is that Amanda was finally and definitively acquitted by the Italian Supreme Court of Cassation of ANY involvement in the murder/rape of Meredith Kercher. According to ECHR case-law, if someone is finally acquitted in a case, that person generally cannot apply to the ECHR claiming that they have received an unfair trial. The only claims that would be examined by the ECHR would be those relating to violations that survive the acquittal, such as unredressed violations of Article 3, Article 6 relating to excessive length of trial, Article 8 relating to violations of privacy, and perhaps a few others, possibly including unfair detention in violation of Article 5, except that the 6-month limit for application for that would be long expired (although the ECHR has sometimes allowed such claims past that time limit when there was conclusive evidence of bad faith by the authorities).

Furthermore, being a suspect, whether fairly or not, is not in itself a violation of the Convention. But having been finally and definitively acquitted of the murder/rape, Amanda is no longer a suspect and can no longer be tried for the circumstances related to that crime, even if it is given some new legal interpretation, under Italian law (CPP Article 649) and the Convention (Article 4).
Thanks Numbers, the part I've highlighted is clear enough. You've talked about the possibility of the calunnia being "vacated" as far as Amanda is concerned. Does that mean what it suggests i.e. simply that the charge no longer exists?

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Old 30th June 2019, 06:16 AM   #429
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In fact, it would be far more likely that Amanda would be protective of Lumumba rather than Rudy. He had given her a job and their working relationship was good as he confirmed in court.

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Think hard. Why would someone be protective of someone who was at a murder scene.

Penny dropped yet?

Here's a clue: Amanda is someone who is out for herself. The same person who grassed on Philomena and Laura as smoking pot, Giacomo as growing it, Raff as having blood on his hand, her little sister Deana being stupid and jealous of her, her dying grandma as being like a collapsed mine, there really isn't anybody she wouldn't wouldn't throw under the bus.

She didn't name Guede for one very obvious reason: she was there, as the courts state, when "the young Meredith Kercher was murdered and washed her blood off her hands''. This is stated clearly in the final judgement.
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Old 30th June 2019, 06:29 AM   #430
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This is a libelous statement, now permanently preserved in this thread.
It cannot be a libel if a thing is true. The fact it is in the final Supreme Court judgement in the case means it is irrefutably true as far as the law is concerned. IOW the judgment says Knox was there together with Guede (and almost certainly with Sollecito) at the time of the murder . You want to sue me for libel? Good luck with that.
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Oh, of course. And Sollecito just sat there like a bump on a log while she did so. Which must have been kinda awkward considering he didn't know Guede from Adam. No credible evidence exists the two men ever laid eyes on each other outside of a courtroom in Perugia. Which is something guilter lunatics have never been able to reconcile. It's pretty funny to consider what goes on in their warped minds....since they are incapable of accepting his obvious break-in to the cottage, they can't figure out what the hell he was even doing there.
So why did Sollecito express his fears in writing when Guede was arrested about what strange things Rudy might say about him.
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Now, now, AnimalFriendly! Don't you know that Raffaele was Trilby to Amanda's Svengali? After a whole week of knowing each other, she had him so firmly under her control that he was no longer able to defy her...including standing by while she 'egged on' a man he'd never met while that man raped and murdered a woman Raff had no beef with.
Two psychopaths feeding off each other. There was a programme on tv last week , 'Psychopath' in which Piers Morgan interviews a now twenty-one year old man, Paris Bennett, who at age 13 murdered his young sister aged four in Abilene, Texas.

What is chilling about this killer is that we are shown clips of the two young children tumbling around and we hear clearly the words, 'kill Ella'.

In the interview he affirms it was something he had always wanted to do, for no discernable reason anyone can make out except to maybe 'punish Mom'.

The only emotion he was capable of feeling is rage and Bennett justifies his act by explaining he had always felt a burning ball of rage. One night he sent the babysitter home after which he stabbed his sister to death inflicting seventeen stab wounds. He then rang up the emergency services and then pretended to play along with the operator by faking CPR action on her.

We see this cold callousness with Knox. For years she had fantasised about the rape and murder of a young woman and even wrote a similar fantasy whilst in prison after her conviction for the murder. Sollecito too was a fantasist with his stack of extreme Japanese anime and collection of knives. Detectives found a graphic story of a young girl killed by vampires at Halloween, her body spread out on the floor (rather like Meredith's) with a stab wound on either side of the neck by knives from different directions.

So, no, not a Trilby/Svengali relationship, more a kind of Leopold and Loeb.

We still see the complete lack of remorse in Knox. Not a single ha'penny to Lumumba the man she coldly named as the killer when Raff appeared to withdraw her alibi nor a single mention in all her 'innocence' talks.

Sollecito remains fascinated by murder joining secret FB groups. Knox posts pictures onto Instagram of fantasy murder mysteries (the Victorian lady, for example) or role playing Little Red Riding Hood stalked by a wolf. Then there was her fantasy video in jail. (Compare and contrast to the Scream murderers.) Raff is never happier than when he is filmed at Marilyn Manson concerts with burning bibles and profane acts.

Put these two disturbed fantastists together (shades of Columbine) and dreadful deeds are perpetrated in which it is impossible to say which party is worse than the other.
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But isn't it odd that we don't hear from Maresca, the Kerchers' lawyer, about how this repeated release of Guede, the convicted rapist and murderer of Meredith Kercher, is disrespectful to the Kerchers?
Why don't you read the article, in which it says the Kerchers are extremely upset.
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The enduring mystery is why those most yearning for the truth have not apologised to Amanda and Raffaele.
Did the Kercher family receive compensation money from either directly or indirectly? This is often the great distorting influence.
In the world of Samson, every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints.
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Ah...I thought that's what you meant but I wanted to be sure. Along that same thought re money payouts, there is a person in another forum I belong to who insists he believes Knox is innocent yet never misses an opportunity to disparage her on a personal level...especially her sex life. One thing he attacks her on is her failure to pay Lumumba. I've pointed out to him several times that no lawyer would advise her pay up before the calunnia conviction had played itself out through the ECHR and a possible revision which could annul the conviction. Try and get the money back if the conviction, and thus the monetary judgment to Lumumba, is reversed!
Have you ever thought of going into law?

I hate to tell you this but the Calunnia conviction was final as of Chieffi.
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There's no evidence to suggest any such thing. We don't know with any certainty what was said at the interrogation but the need to drag Donnino out of her bed to travel 40km to Perugia to act as "a mediator" as she confessed in court, rules out any spontaneity in anything Amanda might have said. Donnino's involvement means that there was an impasse in the proceedings, further indicating that Amanda's thinking had to be influenced. I doubt very much that Lumumba would have been fingered if it weren't for the actions of Donnino.

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Er, Knox probably had Plan B, Plan C and Plan D all lined up depending on the scenario. As soon as Raff destroyed her alibi she was with him all evening and night and that police realised she had exchanged texts just before the murder indicating she was free for the evening making police look at her funny she had ready on her tongue her calumny against Patrick.
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If I remember correctly, Knox was paid compensation for false imprisonment less the two years for the remaining calumnia conviction. Now that this has been reversed by the ECHR, will Italy now pay her for that as well?
Knox has had the wisdom not to bother applying for compensation after the bums rush given to Raff when he had the chutzpah to do same.

She was rightfully convicted and imprisoned for criminal calunnia against Lumumba and rightfully held on remand until the trial as a flight risk, not to mention a highly dangerous person on a high after the murder of her roommate.
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Thanks Numbers, the part I've highlighted is clear enough. You've talked about the possibility of the calunnia being "vacated" as far as Amanda is concerned. Does that mean what it suggests i.e. simply that the charge no longer exists?

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The calunnia conviction is not vacated.
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Have you ever thought of going into law?

I hate to tell you this but the Calunnia conviction was final as of Chieffi.

Hahahahaha still not a clue.

Do you even comprehend what the ECHR just directed Italy to do, Vixen? And do you know WHY the ECHR directed Italy to do that thing, Vixen?

Come back to us when you've figured it out properly
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Think hard. Why would someone be protective of someone who was at a murder scene.

Penny dropped yet?

Here's a clue: Amanda is someone who is out for herself. The same person who grassed on Philomena and Laura as smoking pot, Giacomo as growing it, Raff as having blood on his hand, her little sister Deana being stupid and jealous of her, her dying grandma as being like a collapsed mine, there really isn't anybody she wouldn't wouldn't throw under the bus.

She didn't name Guede for one very obvious reason: she was there, as the courts state, when "the young Meredith Kercher was murdered and washed her blood off her hands''. This is stated clearly in the final judgement.

Ummmm do you actually comprehend that there's not one shred of credible, reliable evidence pointing to Knox (or Sollecito) being involved in Kercher's murder, Vixen?

And do you actually comprehend that in fact all the credible, reliable evidence points squarely to Guede as sole perpetrator, Vixen?

And do you actually comprehend, Vixen, that the logical deduction (y'know: critical thinking and all....) from those two pieces of information is that a) it's highly probable that Guede alone attacked and killed Kercher, and b) neither Knox nor Sollecito played any part whatsoever in the murder?

And do you actually comprehend, Vixen, that the Supreme Court of Italy threw this farrago of a case against Knox and Sollecito out on its ear - not because of some ludicrous conspiracy theory pulled out of the arses of pro-guilt nutters, but because of all of the above?


I mean, in reality I realise that you are either unable to, or incapable of, figuring all of this out. And it's somewhat amusing to see your attempts at argument repeatedly fall flat on their face, coloured as they are by your prejudice and vindictiveness rather than any attempt at rational, objective thinking. But still, have a go. Really.
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