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Old 11th October 2019, 01:40 PM   #1
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What is the prime age for a US president?

Or to ask it another way what age or age range would you prefer in a president?

Some of the things I think about if we want to look specifically at age

Experience
Is he old enough to appreciate the history behind current policies and practices?
What's on his resume? life experiences, etc.
Respect
Has he built a strong reputation among his colleagues or political circle?
Do people around him take him seriously as their boss?
Mental clarity
Is his judgement still strong and sharpness intact?
Social intelligence/awareness
Health
Overall emotional and physical well-being
Energy

I think late 50s is a good start.

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Old 11th October 2019, 01:43 PM   #2
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Anywhere between puberty and senility. Beyond that it doesn't matter. So many other factors outweigh raw numerical age by such a huge margin it's on the same level as handedness and blood type.
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I'd say they need to be at least 35.
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Old 11th October 2019, 02:00 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
I think late 50s is a good start.
I would go younger than that, depending on the individual obviously. Otherwise you might miss out on some major talent. Also I think that deciding it's someone's "turn" is a bad idea and that does happen with older candidates.
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I don’t think age should be much of a factor at all. Being older does not guarantee wisdom, maturity or any other cliché associated with “elders.” Speaking of clichés, “the youth are the future,” so why shouldn’t they have a chance to lead the country?
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Old 11th October 2019, 02:24 PM   #7
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A prime president should be properly aged. If you're starting with a fresh one, try about two weeks in the fridge. Wrap it in the parts of the Constitution that still matter to protect it while ensuring good ventilation. After the aging process is complete, slice off the leathery exterior and roast over a Sunday morning gasbag until you reach the desired level of doneness.
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Old 11th October 2019, 02:26 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by The Greater Fool View Post
I'd say they need to be at least 35.
Seems arbitrary. Where did you come up with that?
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
Or to ask it another way what age or age range would you prefer in a president?

Some of the things I think about if we want to look specifically at age

Experience
Is he old enough to appreciate the history behind current policies and practices?
What's on his resume? life experiences, etc.
Respect
Has he built a strong reputation among his colleagues or political circle?
Do people around him take him seriously as their boss?
Mental clarity
Is his judgement still strong and sharpness intact?
Social intelligence/awareness
Health
Overall emotional and physical well-being
Energy

I think late 50s is a good start.
Why he? And maybe the best age would differ between men and women because women live longer. Warren is sloghtly younger than the three other front runners for president but seems a decade younger.
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When it comes to experience, respect, mental clarity, social intelligence/awareness, health, overall emotional and physical well-being, and energy I find the peak age for all of those things is whatever age I happen to be myself. Right now that's 43, but I expect it'll move upward about one year per year that passes. Anybody younger is a clueless baby, and anybody older is dotteringly senile.
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Has someone finally gotten the right question?
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Old 12th October 2019, 08:29 AM   #12
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42.
It sure seems to be the answer for everything.
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Old 12th October 2019, 08:52 AM   #14
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The president should be old enough to have an established track record as an adult, that voters can look at and determine if it's close enough to their sense of adulthood to be worth considering as a candidate. So, not immediately after attaining majority. Probably at least 10-15 years of "adulting" is minimally sufficient.

And the president should be young enough to survive the ordeal, and to outlive the term of his presidency. Probably 10-15 years short of the commonly-accepted "retirement age" is minimally sufficient.

So anywhere between 35 and 50 is probably idea, but historically, older presidents have done alright.
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Old 12th October 2019, 09:00 AM   #15
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I'd put a limit for being elected to a first term at 65. Most of the current top candidates are as old or older than me, which is too old.
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Old 12th October 2019, 10:21 AM   #17
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I'd put a limit for being elected to a first term at 65. Most of the current top candidates are as old or older than me, which is too old.
I can't put an age to it. I'd generally prefer a candidate in their mid to late 40s. But other factors are more important.
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The real question is their mental age. Trump's is about 10.
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Old 12th October 2019, 06:25 PM   #22
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I don’t think age should be much of a factor at all. Being older does not guarantee wisdom, maturity or any other cliché associated with “elders.” Speaking of clichés, “the youth are the future,” so why shouldn’t they have a chance to lead the country?

Because they are stupid.

Age does matter. Being older doesn't guarantee wisdom but being young guarantees a lot less, generally speaking. Someone who's been around long enough to see some things come and go, see what real emergencies look like.

As an example I don't want someone in there who thinks the world is coming to an end with every crisis. "Oh Democracy is over!!!!". Look at some of the doomsday reactions we get from people here at ISF every time Trump talks to N Korea. OMG NUKES!!! Grow the F up.

After living through the cold war and some other trials and tribulations I'm not so easy to scare anymore. Talking on this forum - there is a definite difference between those who have been alive longer.

I'm not explaining this well I'm really tired. Let's try this - I don't want some young dork who hasn't been around long enough to know how things work. It takes time to move from idealism to reality.
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In general, I'd guess it's about the same for the President as it is for CEOs of major corporations--somewhere between 50 and 65. At 50, they presumably have acquired the knowledge, wisdom and contacts needed to handle the job, but still have some room for growth. At 65+ they would seem to be mostly placeholders--not much room for growth, their contacts are all starting to retire, and the world is changing.

ETA: Which is why it seems so odd that we are heading for an all-septuagenarian election.
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Because they are stupid.

Age does matter. Being older doesn't guarantee wisdom but being young guarantees a lot less, generally speaking. Someone who's been around long enough to see some things come and go, see what real emergencies look like.

As an example I don't want someone in there who thinks the world is coming to an end with every crisis. "Oh Democracy is over!!!!". Look at some of the doomsday reactions we get from people here at ISF every time Trump talks to N Korea. OMG NUKES!!! Grow the F up.

After living through the cold war and some other trials and tribulations I'm not so easy to scare anymore. Talking on this forum - there is a definite difference between those who have been alive longer.

I'm not explaining this well I'm really tired. Let's try this - I don't want some young dork who hasn't been around long enough to know how things work. It takes time to move from idealism to reality.
The problem is whatever number you set is arbitrary. Was Kennedy too young? What about Teddy? We have a minimum age of 35. Donald Trump. Is the odest person to ever serve as President and he's by far the most childish.
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Or to ask it another way what age or age range would you prefer in a president?
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Historically, who have been the most effective presidents? Maybe Washington, Lincoln, TR, FDR, LBJ, Reagan, Clinton. Pick your own. All were at least in their 50s, often older, and had substantial careers in public service before they ran for President. I would think someone younger than 50 or so would be a little short in life experience and professional accomplishments, and would be hard for congressional and world leaders in their '70s and even '80s to take seriously.
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Historically, who have been the most effective presidents? Maybe Washington, Lincoln, TR, FDR, LBJ, Reagan, Clinton. Pick your own. All were at least in their 50s, often older, and had substantial careers in public service before they ran for President. I would think someone younger than 50 or so would be a little short in life experience and professional accomplishments, and would be hard for congressional and world leaders in their '70s and even '80s to take seriously.
TR was 42 when he took office. JFK was 43. Clinton was 46. Obama was 47. FDR was 51. Average age was 55.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._of_presidents
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TR was 42 when he took office. JFK was 43. Clinton was 46. Obama was 47. FDR was 51. Average age was 55.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._of_presidents
Without picking an argument, I wouldn't consider JFK or Obama particularly effective presidents, and Obama's lack of practical political experience worked against him.
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Without picking an argument, I wouldn't consider JFK or Obama particularly effective presidents, and Obama's lack of practical political experience worked against him.
It's not about an argument. I just thought the data might help.
And I bet you can say that about Presidents who took office when they were 60.

Was Obama's lack of legislative success about his age or was it about having 6 years of Republican rule in Congress? He took over just as the economy cratered due to the mortgage crisis. And he still managed to pass the most comprehensive healthcare bill in my lifetime.
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Age means nothing, experience does.

But let's forget all that, because the election is about finding a great Candidate, not a great President.
If you want to find good Presidential Material, you don't elect directly.
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Age means nothing, experience does.
Experience means nothing if you don’t remember it or you are too inflexible to learn from it. These are two traits that accelerate with advanced age.

I would say that the upper limit should be 70 on the day you take office and to keep it simple, the same rule should apply to the office of VP.
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Experience means nothing if you don’t remember it or you are too inflexible to learn from it. These are two traits that accelerate with advanced age.

I would say that the upper limit should be 70 on the day you take office and to keep it simple, the same rule should apply to the office of VP.
In my book, it's not experience if it leaves you completely untouched.
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Age has nothing to do with it. I would be setting experience prerequisites (knowledge, skills, applicable job experience, prior convictions, etc.) and make them go through a comprehensive and searching qualifying examination process. It should include a "practical" at dealing with genuine presidential situations. It should be at least as difficult as defending a PhD thesis. The results should be made public for all intending candidates prior to any election process (current or revised).

Being president of the USA is a very serious and highly important job that affects not just the USA but the whole world. It should be open only to people who are trained, experienced and capable of filling the position, not someone who was "born to it' or fell into it or who bought (or conned) their way in. They have this sort of extended trial-by-fire stuff for jobs like astronauts and special forces because that's how they weed out the wannabes and get only the best of the best. It should be exactly the same for any US presidential candidates.
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Age has nothing to do with it. I would be setting experience prerequisites (knowledge, skills, applicable job experience, prior convictions, etc.) and make them go through a comprehensive and searching qualifying examination process. It should include a "practical" at dealing with genuine presidential situations. It should be at least as difficult as defending a PhD thesis. The results should be made public for all intending candidates prior to any election process (current or revised).

Being president of the USA is a very serious and highly important job that affects not just the USA but the whole world. It should be open only to people who are trained, experienced and capable of filling the position, not someone who was "born to it' or fell into it or who bought (or conned) their way in. They have this sort of extended trial-by-fire stuff for jobs like astronauts and special forces because that's how they weed out the wannabes and get only the best of the best. It should be exactly the same for any US presidential candidates.
A technocratic solution if ever I heard one.
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A technocratic solution if ever I heard one.
given the current leadership, it's hard to credibly argue against a little Technocracy.
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The real question is their mental age. Trump's is about 10.
^This^
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A technocratic solution if ever I heard one.
While I am uncomfortable, given the history of Jim Crow, of arbitrary tests for public office, I would be Ok with requiring prospective office holders to pass the same citizenship test that immigrants must.
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A prime president should be properly aged. If you're starting with a fresh one, try about two weeks in the fridge. Wrap it in the parts of the Constitution that still matter to protect it while ensuring good ventilation. After the aging process is complete, slice off the leathery exterior and roast over a Sunday morning gasbag until you reach the desired level of doneness.

There's much to be said for letting them hang in the cellar.

That's what a restaurant I once worked at did with their beef prime rib, and it was the best in town.

The exterior you had to slice off was green and moldy, though. Not leathery.
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While I am uncomfortable, given the history of Jim Crow, of arbitrary tests for public office, I would be Ok with requiring prospective office holders to pass the same citizenship test that immigrants must.
You might want to rethink that one a little. How may times have we heard that high-stakes testing tests nothing more than one's ability to take a test?
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97.
Some prime examples. Well done
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Old 14th October 2019, 05:32 AM   #40
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A technocratic solution if ever I heard one.
Why? Do you think you might fail the test?
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