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Old 7th April 2017, 10:09 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
JFK: Ask not what your country can do for you...

Lincoln: Four score and seven years ago...

Reagan: Peace is not absence of conflict, it is the ability to handle conflict by peaceful means

Trump: When you kill innocent children, innocent babies, babies, little babies, with a chemical gas that is so lethal, people were shocked to hear what gas it was, that crosses many, many lines. Beyond a red line.

One of these things is not like the other.... one of these things just doesn't belong.

Here's a question.. why does Trump mention both 'innocent babies' and 'babies'? Doesn't mentioning one cover the other? Maybe there are babies out there who aren't innocent.
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One of those really stands out, doesn't it? Has any president ever had such an untructured, vocalised stream of thought, I wonder.
In fairness to Trump (I can't believe I'm saying that), those prior Presidential remarks were from well-prepared and vetted speeches, not reacting on a short-time notice without proper review, so they are not comparable, IMHO.

Which does not excuse the inarticulate buffoon from at least jotting down (or having someone on his staff) something coherent to read to the American public.
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Old 7th April 2017, 02:54 PM   #82
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Anyone else find it weird that Trump now has a real Swedish terrorist incident to go with his comments from a couple of weeks back?
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Old 7th April 2017, 07:34 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Hutch View Post
In fairness to Trump (I can't believe I'm saying that), those prior Presidential remarks were from well-prepared and vetted speeches, not reacting on a short-time notice without proper review, so they are not comparable, IMHO.

Which does not excuse the inarticulate buffoon from at least jotting down (or having someone on his staff) something coherent to read to the American public.

And so I ask again...

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
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Or... is he seriously, literally less eloquent than an average 14 year old?

We want the statesman, or reasonable facsimile, who understands that a turn of phrase is a very powerful thing, in so many ways. Able to influence, even direct, how the listener reacts to or internalizes a given situation. Often, it's a way to draw people together, and make one think.

Instead... we get the inarticulate buffoon.
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Old 7th April 2017, 08:06 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
Anyone else find it weird that Trump now has a real Swedish terrorist incident to go with his comments from a couple of weeks back?
Spooky.

He rambled something about other chemical attacks in Syria in recent weeks : lets hope that doesn't have the same effect.
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Old 8th April 2017, 05:59 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
We want the statesman, or reasonable facsimile, who understands that a turn of phrase is a very powerful thing, in so many ways...

Instead... we get the inarticulate buffoon.
Yes, "we" do.

And yet something in that buffoonery paved his road to the White House.

I think we must accept it must have a certain appeal, if not to most of us then to its target audience.
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This should be addressed.

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Old 8th April 2017, 11:43 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post

Looks like a lot of secretaries don't have jobs.

This url worked once for me, now it appears to have died while posting this. Not a twitter user so don't know. Maybe it has been addressed
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A U.S. Navy aircraft carrier strike group is on the way to the Korean peninsula amid rising tensions with North Korea, officials said Saturday. The U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson and multiple destroyers to sail toward the western Pacific Ocean within days of North Korea's latest missile test and threats to unleash more. "We feel the increased presence is necessary," a military official told Reuters, citing North Korea's latest missile release. Link
In my opinion this is where Donnie can get dangerous. I question the need to have a U.S. Navy strike group stationed near the Korean peninsula. For what? In an attempt to goad North Korea into doing something really stupid so Donnie will have an excuse to attack them?

The scary thing is, I have read comments by some pretty experienced and highly regarded intelligence people that they too worry about Trump. That Trump's lack of experience, his impulsiveness and his penchant for dishonesty, when you combine that with his access to our nuclear arsenal, is a recipe for disaster.
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Old 9th April 2017, 07:10 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
Anyone else find it weird that Trump now has a real Swedish terrorist incident to go with his comments from a couple of weeks back?
In particular since by all accounts the terrorists of this attack come from Uzbekistan. Doesn't have much history with Western Europe or the USA when it comes to terrorism. Much more history with Russia in that regard.
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Old 9th April 2017, 09:28 AM   #91
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In my opinion this is where Donnie can get dangerous. I question the need to have a U.S. Navy strike group stationed near the Korean peninsula. For what? In an attempt to goad North Korea into doing something really stupid so Donnie will have an excuse to attack them?

The scary thing is, I have read comments by some pretty experienced and highly regarded intelligence people that they too worry about Trump. That Trump's lack of experience, his impulsiveness and his penchant for dishonesty, when you combine that with his access to our nuclear arsenal, is a recipe for disaster.
Trump's publicity success with the Syrian attack is also worrisome. Add in his political ignorance of the Korean/Chinese nuances.

I am reminded of Bush Jr prancing around gleefully calling himself a 'war president'.
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Trump's publicity success with the Syrian attack is also worrisome. Add in his political ignorance of the Korean/Chinese nuances...
There are people in the military and in the intelligence communities who worry too. Giving the U.S. Navy orders to mount a missile attack on a foreign regime and the positive media reaction probably has Trump on a natural high. He also has apparently realized, as president he has the power to order limited military actions without consulting anyone other than the military people. What's he going to do next time? I don't know but I have a hunch they'll be a next time and probably sooner rather than later.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
In my opinion this is where Donnie can get dangerous. I question the need to have a U.S. Navy strike group stationed near the Korean peninsula. For what? In an attempt to goad North Korea into doing something really stupid so Donnie will have an excuse to attack them?

The scary thing is, I have read comments by some pretty experienced and highly regarded intelligence people that they too worry about Trump. That Trump's lack of experience, his impulsiveness and his penchant for dishonesty, when you combine that with his access to our nuclear arsenal, is a recipe for disaster.
Not surprised. Unlike civilians, top brass actually has to plan for multiple real world scenarios with real consequences. Dreamy-eyed ideology - or lack of sense - can only get you so far in war.
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More McMaster housecleaning:

Third Trump ally KT McFarland removed from National Security Council
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She was condemned, however, for peddling conspiracy theories and engaging in Islamophobic rhetoric.
It's easy to forget the cumulative nature of these unsupportable beliefs as the news cycle goes from one to the next. This was Mother Jones last December: How Donald Trump Became Conspiracy Theorist in Chief
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Populist movements have long flirted with what political theorist Richard Hofstadter, writing about Barry Goldwater in 1964, called the "paranoid style in American politics"—the penchant for framing opponents as the tools of a powerful but shadowy fifth column. But Trump has embraced and normalized the political fringe in unprecedented ways—and that could have far-reaching effects....

...From the day he kicked off his 2016 presidential campaign, an air of paranoia has infused almost everything Trump has said or done. He demanded a border wall on the grounds that Mexico was sending killers and rapists into the country, boosting his claims with an Infowars video he'd seen on the Drudge Report. He promised to "bomb the **** out of" ISIS, while insinuating that the current commander in chief harbored sympathies for the terrorist group ("There's something going on"). After Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died in his sleep, Trump fanned theories of an assassination. He trumpeted a National Enquirer story suggesting that Ted Cruz's dad was involved in the Kennedy assassination (even though Stone had written a best-selling book fingering Lyndon B. Johnson).

Trump has floated so many conspiracy theories that he's developed his own rhetorical flourish to reinforce them. "A lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there," he said about the possibility of Islamist training camps on American soil. "A lot of people are very skeptical as to what happened and how he died," he remarked about former White House deputy counsel Vince Foster, whose 1993 suicide spawned countless conspiracy theories and a quixotic congressional probe. (As the Art of the Deal author is probably aware, pushing a position by neutrally introducing it as the opinion of others is Negotiation 101.)
This was in Salon last December: Another Fox News loon joins the government — but K.T. McFarland could be the least qualified of all

The article cites Bolton's, Carson's and Flynn's echoing conspiracy theories before and after joining the Trump administration. It's easy to forget Flynn Jr's role in Pizzagate.
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His son, Michael Flynn Jr., had to leave the transition team after it became clear that he was spreading fake news stories about the fictitious #Pizzagate scandal and was involved with some very unsavory white nationalist groups online. His father’s unstable personality has been the subject of many profiles over the past few months, which make clear that he has extremist views across the board. ....
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But if Trump’s incoming deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland is an example of the people he’s going to rely on, we’ve got a big problem. She’s a conspiracy theorist, too.....

...She reportedly landed the job after befriending Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. in the halls of the network
That suggests the kids may also be CTers.

So, Flynn, Bannon and McFarland— McMaster is cleaning house.

This was an interesting op ed in the Seattle Times a couple weeks ago: A conspiracy theorist in the White House
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“No doubt Mr. Trump considers that fake news, but if he doesn’t show more respect for the truth most Americans may conclude he’s a fake President.”

A scarier thought: What if the leaders of the rest of the world, allies and enemies alike, conclude Trump is a “fake president” or an “alternative head of state” — or just a raging liar?

It is this question that led Tom Friedman to write a column calling on the “few good men” in Trump’s Cabinet to “stand up and reverse the moral rot that has infected the Trump administration from the top.” Friedman says the few good men are all on the national security side: Secretary of Defense James Mattis, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly, C.I.A. Director Mike Pompeo and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
There's a bit of hyperbole in the article but it makes some valid points.
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One of those really stands out, doesn't it? Has any president ever had such an untructured, vocalised stream of thought, I wonder.
Ever heard LBJ ordering pants?
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What a rambling mess of an interview.

He just doesn't seem able to keep on a subject for more than a few seconds and seems to have, at best, a very cursory understanding of the subjects about which he is speaking.
It was exactly the same in the recent "Time Magazine" interview. Just so clearly a ********ter and not at all a good one.
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Anyone else find it weird that Trump now has a real Swedish terrorist incident to go with his comments from a couple of weeks back?

Maybe he's actually a retarded time traveler?
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"The Trump Presidency"... has a nice ring to it. Thank goodness the title of this thread isn't "The Hillary Presidency."
Poor, DAO, a lone voice in the wilderness. I'm interested in what you find good about the Trump presidency. What has he done since assuming office that particularly meets with your approval? Since "repeal and replace" was such a big part of his campaign, do you think it will ever happen? Since the wall was an even bigger part of his campaign, do you think it will ever happen?
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Sean Spicer talking about Syria...

I don't even know where to start. Trying to describe the "Trump Doctrine". As if it even exists.

Plus, he says the US has a red line in Syria and if they use barrel bombs, it's too much. They use them every day!

Morons.


Seriously, try to find today's press conference
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All Trebuchet's hard work to get this Trump thread and it's all but deserted.
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Sean Spicer talking about Syria...

I don't even know where to start. Trying to describe the "Trump Doctrine". As if it even exists.

Plus, he says the US has a red line in Syria and if they use barrel bombs, it's too much. They use them every day!

Morons.


Seriously, try to find today's press conference
One fine quote: "When you see mass weapons of destruction being used it should be a concern to every nation, especially our own people. "
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One fine quote: "When you see mass weapons of destruction being used it should be a concern to every nation, especially our own people. "
Why, oh, why couldn't they find someone who is used to speak publicly?

Over here in Germany, Merkel's chief press secretary is a former newscaster of the prime public TV channel which takes great pride in schooling their people to speak correctly, not too fast, and calmly.
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Who thought it was a good idea to let Eric start talking to the press again?

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Trump's 33-year-old son, Eric, told The Daily Telegraph on Monday that the strike was influenced in part by Ivanka, who he said was "heartbroken and outraged" by the chemical attack.

"Ivanka is a mother of three kids and she has influence," Eric Trump said, speaking with the newspaper at Trump Turnberry golf resort in Ayrshire, Scotland. "I'm sure she said, 'Listen, this is horrible stuff.' My father will act in times like that."

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"If there was anything that [the strike on] Syria did, it was to validate the fact that there is no Russia tie," he said.
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Why, oh, why couldn't they find someone who is used to speak publicly?

Over here in Germany, Merkel's chief press secretary is a former newscaster of the prime public TV channel which takes great pride in schooling their people to speak correctly, not too fast, and calmly.
Probably hard to find a competent person who is willing to go in front of the press everyday and spew lies for Donald Trump.
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So Trump bombed Syria to make Ivanka feel better?
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Basing your international policy decisions on emotion sounds like a great idea!
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So Trump bombed Syria to make Ivanka feel better?
And to cover for a scandal. If Congress cared about anything but tax cuts for the rich, there'd be hearings about the president's misuse of war powers.
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Why, oh, why couldn't they find someone who is used to speak publicly?

Over here in Germany, Merkel's chief press secretary is a former newscaster of the prime public TV channel which takes great pride in schooling their people to speak correctly, not too fast, and calmly.

It's like "Harrison Bergeron". Only people who can't speak well are allowed to perform jobs involving public speaking, so nobody will feel inferior to them. Trump is a man of the people after all. Maybe that's why people lacking the requisite knowledge and experience are getting appointed to head agencies. Trump is his own Handicapper General.
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So Trump bombed Syria to make Ivanka feel better?
Isn't that so sweet and thoughtful for a father to reverse his long held views and put his daughter first.
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It's like "Harrison Bergeron". Only people who can't speak well are allowed to perform jobs involving public speaking, so nobody will feel inferior to them. Trump is a man of the people after all. Maybe that's why people lacking the requisite knowledge and experience are getting appointed to head agencies. Trump is his own Handicapper General.
Trump can't have a press secretary that makes his speeches look too bad after all.
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I think we must accept it must have a certain appeal, if not to most of us then to its target audience.
That doesn't seem completely true. Slapping an R next to something can create a sixty point approval swing with a certain demographic.

Democrats:
37% support Trump's Syria strikes
38% supported Obama doing it

GOP:
86% supported Trump doing it
22% supported Obama doing
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
All Trebuchet's hard work to get this Trump thread and it's all but deserted.
As long as it stays on-topic and doesn't degenerate into all Hillary all day sniping between just a couple of members, it's all good.

God, but Spicer is a moron. The WH is scrambling to explain he didn't mean what he said; was not talking about barrel bombs when he said "barrel bombs".
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Old 11th April 2017, 07:37 AM   #114
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
All Trebuchet's hard work to get this Trump thread and it's all but deserted.
That's fine. This is the place for all the little stories that don't deserve a thread of their own. There aren't a lot of them going on right now. When the front page stories die down and the next crop of Trumpian malaprops or inescapably obvious corruption connections come up, this thread'll be here.
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Old 11th April 2017, 07:56 AM   #115
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
As long as it stays on-topic and doesn't degenerate into all Hillary all day sniping between just a couple of members, it's all good.

God, but Spicer is a moron. The WH is scrambling to explain he didn't mean what he said; was not talking about barrel bombs when he said "barrel bombs".
Hey it is a new thing now, usually it is spicer saying that trump didn't mean what he said, now the apologies have moved down the chain of command.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Hey it is a new thing now, usually it is spicer saying that trump didn't mean what he said, now the apologies have moved down the chain of command.
Well, some sort of organizational culture for the executive power during the Trumpian age is bound to emerge sooner than later.

In spite of what some malicious gossip tries to make everybody think, Trump and his minders are human beings, and they also possess the right number of chromosomes.
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Old 11th April 2017, 08:12 AM   #117
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That doesn't seem completely true. Slapping an R next to something can create a sixty point approval swing with a certain demographic.

Democrats:
37% support Trump's Syria strikes
38% supported Obama doing it

GOP:
86% supported Trump doing it
22% supported Obama doing
Ouch.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
As long as it stays on-topic and doesn't degenerate into all Hillary all day sniping between just a couple of members, it's all good.

God, but Spicer is a moron. The WH is scrambling to explain he didn't mean what he said; was not talking about barrel bombs when he said "barrel bombs".
Spicer's a wonder to behold. He's both in a terrible position to have to justify Trump's nonsense, and possibly the worst person for the job.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
In spite of what some malicious gossip tries to make everybody think, Trump and his minders are human beings, and they also possess the right number of chromosomes.
Do you have proof of this?
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
As long as it stays on-topic and doesn't degenerate into all Hillary all day sniping between just a couple of members, it's all good.

God, but Spicer is a moron. The WH is scrambling to explain he didn't mean what he said; was not talking about barrel bombs when he said "barrel bombs".
Only barrel bombs with chemicals in them.
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