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Old 17th April 2017, 12:23 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
But I'm sorry, Trump was so obviously conning people (he had a long history of conning people that was out there for all to see) that it's hard to consider anyone who believed him to be intelligent.
And we're right back to essentially saying that the only reason anyone could have preferred someone that you disliked is because they're dummies.
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Old 17th April 2017, 12:24 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
He had to win the election system in place to 'cease power'.

He didn't have to win the popular vote, that's all i'm saying.
Sure, but that's different than saying it doesn't matter how he won.

He could have won by getting more votes; he won in virtue of a pretty strange, archaic system.
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Old 17th April 2017, 12:27 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
And we're right back to essentially saying that the only reason anyone could have preferred someone that you disliked is because they're dummies.
Donald Trump is a very obvious con man with a severe personality disorder.

Yeah, there is something wrong with his supporters.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Billionaire.
... who spent about half as much on his campaign as the opponent...

Basically, not sure how his financial status plays in to this.
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Old 17th April 2017, 12:29 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Another, if Obama had done it they'd be charging him with treason, moment for Trump.

http://www.eonline.com/news/843926/m...ational-anthem

The Donald forgets to put his hand over his heart for the national anthem and the immigrant standing next to him has to remind him.
You don't put your hand over your heart for the anthem. You stand at attention and face the flag.

You put your hand over your heart for the pledge of allegiance.
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
... who spent about half as much on his campaign as the opponent...

Basically, not sure how his financial status plays in to this.
You think he would be a candidate if he was making, even, pretty good money - $150,000 a year?

I suppose you could say that the amazing characteristics that allowed him to generate wealth are the same amazing characteristics that make him a great president. Fine, that characteristic is being born wealthy, ergo we're right back to the wealth being literally the only reason we know who this jackass is and why he's president.
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Old 17th April 2017, 12:31 PM   #327
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
... who spent about half as much on his campaign as the opponent...

Basically, not sure how his financial status plays in to this.
Lots of idiots believed oh he's rich, so he knows what he's doing even though he obviously hasn't the slightest clue.
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Old 17th April 2017, 12:33 PM   #328
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
You think he would be a candidate if he was making, even, pretty good money - $150,000 a year?
I don't think he would be a good candidate no matter what he was making.
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Old 17th April 2017, 12:36 PM   #329
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
I don't think he would be a good candidate no matter what he was making.
Ha, fair enough.

Point was that his wealth - or the appearance thereof - was a non-trivial element in his ascent to power.
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Old 17th April 2017, 12:42 PM   #330
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
He had to win the election system in place to 'cease power'.

He didn't have to win the popular vote, that's all i'm saying.
Which is not what you 'fixed' in Alec's post. It's seize, BTW, not cease.

Semantics.

But I take it you are a Trump supporter and it miffs you that we non-Trump supporters point out that it wasn't a truly democratic vote.
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
You don't put your hand over your heart for the anthem. You stand at attention and face the flag.

You put your hand over your heart for the pledge of allegiance.
Wrong.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

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(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
Ha, fair enough.

Point was that his wealth - or the appearance thereof - was a non-trivial element in his ascent to power.
Do you really think that most of the people who voted for him did so because he was rich? That's a theory I've haven't heard put forth. Doesn't mean it's not out there, just that I haven't run across it.
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
... who spent about half as much on his campaign as the opponent...

Basically, not sure how his financial status plays in to this.
Well the large personal loans he has to undisclosed foreign agencies and banks with records of criminal actions are kind of a cause for some concern.
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Old 17th April 2017, 01:01 PM   #334
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Do you really think that most of the people who voted for him did so because he was rich? That's a theory I've haven't heard put forth. Doesn't mean it's not out there, just that I haven't run across it.
Most of them voted for him voted for him because they will vote for any piece of trash with an R by their name. But there are morons that believe that because he's a rich businessman he can run the country. Hell, it is an argument he has made himself. Really, it is the only "qualification" he has.

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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Do you really think that most of the people who voted for him did so because he was rich? That's a theory I've haven't heard put forth. Doesn't mean it's not out there, just that I haven't run across it.
That's not what I said, though I do think it's the case that a huge number of people operate under the delusion that having a lot of money must indicate talent.

No, I said that without money, Trump would never have been a candidate. He has no skills, no ideas...he has money and fame. That's it. It's therefore incorrect to try and argue that personal wealth was irrelevant or even a small part of his candidacy. It was sine qua non.
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Winning the electoral system was the contest he was in.

Why is that 'exploiting'?

It's fixed now.
Yes, it was boxing and the "law" said he had to knock the lights out of his opponent. The problem is the sport is supposed to be cricket -here representing democracy-.

I said "he exploited a(n inherently) anti-democratic system" and you "fixed" it by implying something completely different: that he won legally and according to established traditions ("the contest").

That's why Skeptic Ginger politely told you those were not mutually exclusive, but if you dwell in a Maniqueist world of "gotchas", who could help it?
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Billionaire.
... who spent about half as much on his campaign as the opponent...

Basically, not sure how his financial status plays in to this.
Ninja'd by Emily's Cat!

The next "idiot" who won't cease nor desist in trying to seize power would be probably mid-class. Trump has led the way, and an electoral system where knowledgeable people point gerrymandering as its worst defect will guarantee that such led will be followed.
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Old 17th April 2017, 02:25 PM   #338
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And we're right back to essentially saying that the only reason anyone could have preferred someone that you disliked is because they're dummies.
Dummies, or much worse. Trump bragged about assaulting women, told Howard Stern it was OK to call his daughter a "piece of ass", made incestuous pervy comments about said daughter, and told little girls he'd be dating them in "a couple of years", along with about a dozen other things that should have immediately disqualified him. But Hillary was running a sex-trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor, so it's all good, right?

Voting for Trump is a litmus test for me. I don't want anything to do with people like that.
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Dummies, or much worse.
Attempting to make oneself appear "better" (or smarter, or more moral, or whatever) by demeaning others is a well worn strategy.

Most often used by the insecure, in my view.
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Dummies, or much worse. Trump bragged about assaulting women, told Howard Stern it was OK to call his daughter a "piece of ass", made incestuous pervy comments about said daughter, and told little girls he'd be dating them in "a couple of years", along with about a dozen other things that should have immediately disqualified him. But Hillary was running a sex-trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor, so it's all good, right?

Voting for Trump is a litmus test for me. I don't want anything to do with people like that.
He called Mexicans rapists in literally the first speech of his campaign.
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Attempting to make oneself appear "better" (or smarter, or more moral, or whatever) by demeaning others is a well worn strategy.

Most often used by the insecure, in my view.
It doesn't take much to be better than Trump supporters.

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Attempting to make oneself appear "better" (or smarter, or more moral, or whatever) by demeaning others is a well worn strategy.

Most often used by the insecure, in my view.
And one that was a major campaign tool used by Trump.
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Yeah, I'm happy to accept there are a lot of good people who voted for Trump. When you pulled the lever for a guy as despicable as him, though, the burden is on the voter to explain themselves.

A reasonable starting point when a person supports an ******* for president is that they're also an *******.
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And we're right back to essentially saying that the only reason anyone could have preferred someone that you disliked DONALD TRUMP is because they're dummies.
What is so damn hard about voicing that clear bit of information?
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... who spent about half as much on his campaign as the opponent...

Basically, not sure how his financial status plays in to this.
Ask the sycophants that voted for him.
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Trump called to Erdogan to congratulate him on him on becoming a dictator.


Perhaps hoping to get some tips.


Meanwhile the State Dept. issues statement on Turkish referendum vote, noting reports of "irregularities" on voting day, urging political dialogue.

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It doesn't take much to be better than Trump supporters.
Feels good, right?
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Feels good, right?
Knowing that Trump supporters are a bunch of idiots and scumbags doesn't make me feel anything except disturbed that there are so many many idiots and scumbags in the country.

Yeah, I know I'm smarter than them. How does is that supposed to make me feel good? It doesn't take a genius to see through Trump's bs.

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Trump explicitly went for the worst of the Republicans, and they loved it.
People keep saying this - that Trump purposefully courted bigots, that bigotry is a part of the overall Republican strategy, etc.

Has anybody got any evidence or supporting documentation that shows this is an intentional element of the platform as opposed to a by-product?
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Dummies, or much worse. Trump bragged about assaulting women, told Howard Stern it was OK to call his daughter a "piece of ass", made incestuous pervy comments about said daughter, and told little girls he'd be dating them in "a couple of years", along with about a dozen other things that should have immediately disqualified him. But Hillary was running a sex-trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor, so it's all good, right?

Voting for Trump is a litmus test for me. I don't want anything to do with people like that.
Keep saying that long enough, and they won't want anything to do with you either... nor with the parties that you end up representing. Sure fire way to make sure your preferred party doesn't win any future elections.
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People keep saying this - that Trump purposefully courted bigots, that bigotry is a part of the overall Republican strategy, etc.

Has anybody got any evidence or supporting documentation that shows this is an intentional element of the platform as opposed to a by-product?
...BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL!

I hope you're not going down this sad road - "He didn't say the N-Word, how can you tell if he's racist..."

Lee Atwater: Hide your racism behind policy - deport, build a wall, ban Muslims, er, I mean people from certain countries.

Plausible deniability only seems to fool vapid media types.
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People keep saying this - that Trump purposefully courted bigots, that bigotry is a part of the overall Republican strategy, etc.

Has anybody got any evidence or supporting documentation that shows this is an intentional element of the platform as opposed to a by-product?
Mexicans are rapists.

He said that on the very first day of his candidacy.
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Mexicans are rapists.

He said that on the very first day of his candidacy.
The Mexican Government rounds up murderers and rapists and ships them across the border - remember that one?
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People keep saying this - that Trump purposefully courted bigots ...
They keep saying it to you because it's so glaringly obvious yet you keep making an issue of it. Nobody says it much beyond your ken because, you know, glaringly obvious.
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I'm all about having principles.
Guess where that leaves you when it's all about winning. And me, for that matter.

Not that we have to guess these days, it's all too real.
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...BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL!

I hope you're not going down this sad road - "He didn't say the N-Word, how can you tell if he's racist..."

Lee Atwater: Hide your racism behind policy - deport, build a wall, ban Muslims, er, I mean people from certain countries.

Plausible deniability only seems to fool vapid media types.
Ahem, Jeff Sessions, Mexicans are filth, you know that Jeff Sessions.
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Attempting to make oneself appear "better" (or smarter, or more moral, or whatever) by demeaning others is a well worn strategy.

Most often used by the insecure, in my view.
It's not about "feeling better", it's about not wanting to be around someone who would vote for a person as morally repugnant as Trump. If your kid's teacher told her "I'll be dating you in a couple years" would you have a problem with it? I think you would. Would you want to hang around parents who were OK with authority figures telling kids they would be dating them in the future? I think you wouldn't, for obvious reasons.

That's just one example. There are dozens of other reasons to be horrified at people who support a dangerously unqualified racist narcissist who makes fun of disabled people and picks fights with women reporters and families of dead soldiers.

The people who support that are not people I want to get to know.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Ahem, Jeff Sessions, Mexicans are filth, you know that Jeff Sessions.
Yes, and racial discrimination suits and so on.

We shouldn't have to deliver this list over and over again.
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Just because Trump said racist things, and is trying to do things that the racists loves, doesn't mean he's pandering to the racists. It's possible that he's a white supremacist that genuinely believes in the racist garbage he's selling.
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So in this fantasy world you're in, there is no possibility that a significant number of people who voted for that pile of **** are going to come to the realization that we were right?
Some will, no doubt, but their significance can only be sensibly measured by the mid-term results. Which are more than 18 months away, so who's giving them any thought now?
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