Ossoff is at 55% with half the vote in/Georgia special election

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 06:34 PM

If he stays above 50% he'll win without a runoff.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...ion-district-6

Giordano · 18th April 2017, 07:04 PM

Where are the Russian hackers when the Republicans need them?

TragicMonkey · 18th April 2017, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Giordano

Where are the Russian hackers when the Republicans need them?

Busy with the other Georgia?

abaddon · 18th April 2017, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

If he stays above 50% he'll win without a runoff.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...ion-district-6

And I should care that a third world country has a rigged election because why?

thaiboxerken · 18th April 2017, 07:26 PM

With electronic, unverifiable voting, don't hold your breath. This is the same election committee that decided that it wasn't a big deal when they were hacked last time.

NoahFence · 18th April 2017, 07:42 PM

Can he win a runoff?

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Can he win a runoff?

It'd be very close, but yes, depending on more stupid crap coming from Trump. His robocall was full of the same wolf crying as his whole election and that truly is wearing thin on people. Of course it should have worn thin after the GOP Primary so who knows?

Ossoff is actually very intelligent, a convincing politician, someone to watch.

Cleon · 18th April 2017, 07:52 PM

It's just a hair over 50% now. It's gonna be REALLY close to avoid a runoff.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 08:40 PM

No new results have come in for quite a while. Still at 50.3%.

Tony Stark · 18th April 2017, 09:03 PM

Currently at 48.6%

According to Nate Cohn, "There's around 15k GOP-leaning vote left. I'd guess that brings Ossoff down to around 47.7 when it's all through."

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 09:05 PM

Sigh, well, at least there's still the runoff.

Cleon · 18th April 2017, 09:07 PM

Apparently there was a bad data card that stopped counting for a while. Counting has resumed, and it's looking like a runoff. Crap.

I'm NOT looking forward to this dominating the local media cycle for the next couple of months.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Apparently there was a bad data card that stopped counting for a while. Counting has resumed, and it's looking like a runoff. Crap.

I'm NOT looking forward to this dominating the local media cycle for the next couple of months.

By the time they have the runoff, it'll almost be time for the 2018 election.

banquetbear · 18th April 2017, 09:46 PM

...okay: I've finally gotten my head around the electoral college. Now you 'Mercan's need to be explaining this further for the rest of us. You need to get over 50% to avoid a "run off?" Why is that? Are all House Seats elected this way?

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by banquetbear

...okay: I've finally gotten my head around the electoral college. Now you 'Mercan's need to be explaining this further for the rest of us. You need to get over 50% to avoid a "run off?" Why is that? Are all House Seats elected this way?

No, just this one. And it has nothing to do with the EC, just Georgia's special election rules.

The rest of the time, the parties would have nominated the candidates so there would only be one Democrat and one Republican candidate. In some cases like this one a governor would just appoint the replacement.

banquetbear · 18th April 2017, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

No, just this one. And it has nothing to do with the EC, just Georgia's special election rules.

The rest of the time, the parties would have nominated the candidates so there would only be one Democrat and one Republican candidate. In some cases like this one a governor would just appoint the replacement.

...I know this had nothing to do with the electoral college: what I meant is I've finally gotten my head around the ridiculous electoral college.

Now we have a "special election" which really isn't a "special election", but a "pre-election?"

So can we back up a bit?

These rules are Georgia specific, and only for a special election? Why are only two possible candidates? What stops an independent candidate running? Why 50%? And how do you guys just know this stuff?

ddt · 18th April 2017, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by banquetbear

...okay: I've finally gotten my head around the electoral college. Now you 'Mercan's need to be explaining this further for the rest of us. You need to get over 50% to avoid a "run off?" Why is that? Are all House Seats elected this way?

It's usually called a "jungle primary" and some states have it as a rule for the normal elections as well. For instance, the California Senate seat that was up for election last November, was contested between two Democrats because they came ahead out of the jungle primary.

ddt · 18th April 2017, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Sigh, well, at least there's still the runoff.

Doesn't that mean that Trump has two more months to do stupid things and thus poison the chances of the GOP candidate?

Firestone · 18th April 2017, 11:42 PM

... it also means the Republicans have two more months to ~~find~~ make up dirt about Ossoff.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by banquetbear

...I know this had nothing to do with the electoral college: what I meant is I've finally gotten my head around the ridiculous electoral college.

Now we have a "special election" which really isn't a "special election", but a "pre-election?"

So can we back up a bit?

These rules are Georgia specific, and only for a special election? Why are only two possible candidates? What stops an independent candidate running? Why 50%? And how do you guys just know this stuff?

Yes, Georgia specific.

If this were the regular year election (All House members up for election every 2 years), Independents could run. The Ds and Rs would put up their candidates chosen in primary elections.

Special elections are held when a member of Congress (Senate or House) leaves office before the term is up. Then it is up to state rules how that seat is filled. In this case, Georgia has an election where if anyone gets >50%, they win the seat. If no one does (as happened tonight), then there is a runoff of the top two.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

... it also means the Republicans have two more months to ~~find~~ make up dirt about Ossoff.

It's really tiresome, isn't it. When are the voters going to wise up to this repeating strategy?

Or, when are the Democrats going to figure out how you counter the crap?

In this case, I hear (haven't verified) that Ossoff grew up in this district. The GOP is harping on his not living in the district. (Not sure what Georgia rules are.) So Ossoff needs to emphasize this is his home turf.

I don't know his background, but listening to him, he's one smart guy. That needs to be marketed.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by ddt

Doesn't that mean that Trump has two more months to do stupid things and thus poison the chances of the GOP candidate?

We can dream.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th April 2017, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by ddt

It's usually called a "jungle primary" and some states have it as a rule for the normal elections as well. For instance, the California Senate seat that was up for election last November, was contested between two Democrats because they came ahead out of the jungle primary.

Ah, thank you for the correction.

alfaniner · 19th April 2017, 04:47 AM

This being such a pivotal vote, the Democratic Party will undoubtedly pour all their efforts and money into his campaign.

Foolmewunz · 19th April 2017, 04:55 AM

It could still be interesting.

The GOP mud-slinging will consist of him being a carpetbagger, which could stick to an extent. It will also consist of the type of stuff the Orange Buffoon tweeted, which probably won't mean a thing.

Handel's a bona fide political hack and will run on her credentials as "an independent gal" as she calls herself, but her positions read like a I Heart Donald candidate. In a district that Trump nearly lost, Ossoff could take it.

The two top GOP candidates in the vote were both Trump-ish Republicans - Handel didn't run for anything on Trump's coattails but she's a typical Georgia reactionary: anti-abortion, tried to defund Planned Parenthood, pro-wall, cutting waste(read: drain the swamp).... I think either she or Gray are a lock for the conservative vote - the question is how many moderate Republicans might be in the district. A sufficient number of them held their noses long enough to vote for Hillary.

Jim_MDP · 19th April 2017, 05:29 AM

There's possibly more dirt on this kid still to come, but all I heard yesterday was that they accused him of padding his resume a tad... something about how much responsibility he actually had on issues/policy development in whatever political office he previously staffed.

Unfortunately, if there was follow up (and details) I missed it. And haven't bothered to look into it.

Oppo takes a little time... I figured, if it's there, we'll all be hearing about it soon.

But as a non local, this felt pretty fast. Am I wrong?

logger · 19th April 2017, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

It could still be interesting.

The GOP mud-slinging will consist of him being a carpetbagger, which could stick to an extent. It will also consist of the type of stuff the Orange Buffoon tweeted, which probably won't mean a thing.

Handel's a bona fide political hack and will run on her credentials as "an independent gal" as she calls herself, but her positions read like a I Heart Donald candidate. In a district that Trump nearly lost, Ossoff could take it.

The two top GOP candidates in the vote were both Trump-ish Republicans - Handel didn't run for anything on Trump's coattails but she's a typical Georgia reactionary: anti-abortion, tried to defund Planned Parenthood, pro-wall, cutting waste(read: drain the swamp).... I think either she or Gray are a lock for the conservative vote - the question is how many moderate Republicans might be in the district. A sufficient number of them held their noses long enough to vote for Hillary.

Lol
No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state!

And of course the left is looking at this as a win, lol, as they always do with losses.

So once again, I really hate to say it, the leftists lost again!!!
When in the hell is your side going to win?

Argumemnon · 19th April 2017, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by logger

No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state!

And, as we know, it's all about tribalism.

Quote:

So once again, I really hate to say it, the leftists lost again!!!

How have they lost with their candidate still in the race?

logger · 19th April 2017, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

A sufficient number of them held their noses long enough to vote for Hillary.

Lol
I, remember that! When all the buffoons in the media said Hills was going to win Georgia, and surprise, she didn't. Oh well, on to the next insignificant election.

Argumemnon · 19th April 2017, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Lol

You know that's not an argument, right?

logger · 19th April 2017, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

And, as we know, it's all about tribalism.

Meaning the republicans should have just given it to him. You do realise why it's called a race?

Quote:

How have they lost with their candidate still in the race?

probably the same way the candidate looks at it as a win? Surprising I have to answer that given your supposed moderate views.

logger · 19th April 2017, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

You know that's not an argument, right?

Correct, it's a small fun part of the argument.

Segnosaur · 19th April 2017, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Lol
No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state!

Which is of course the point... A liberal running in a 'red state', in a seat that had been easily won by the republicans in the past, almost manages to get a majority vote.

If voters who have traditionally voted republican in the past look at Trump and the current makeup of Congress and say "Maybe I don't want this", then it can have an effect on future elections.

Quote:

And of course the left is looking at this as a win, lol, as they always do with losses.

The Democratic candidate got many, many more votes than any of his rivals. In an area where the democrats have not had recent success.

It may not be a 100% 'win', but its certainly not a loss.

Border Reiver · 19th April 2017, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Meaning the republicans should have just given it to him. You do realise why it's called a race?

probably the same way the candidate looks at it as a win? Surprising I have to answer that given your supposed moderate views.

Mr. Ossof can look at it as a win as he got more votes then any of the other candidates. Based on how democracy generally works, that would normally have handed him the victory.

That being said, for some reason the State of Georgia feels that if a candidate in this sort of election can't just win the popular vote but must beat all of the losers combined, then the worst of the losing candidates are eliminated and the loser has another chance, because maybe the loser's team is more popular then the winner's.

Argumemnon · 19th April 2017, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Meaning the republicans should have just given it to him. You do realise why it's called a race?

I'm struggling to understand how this relates to what you quoted.

Quote:

probably the same way the candidate looks at it as a win? Surprising I have to answer that given your supposed moderate views.

Again, this is completely meaningless. Ossoff didn't lose. He's still in the race. That is a fact, and it has nothing to do with political leanings.

Quote:

Correct, it's a small fun part of the argument.

No, it's not part of the argument at all. It just shows that you react with those who merely disagree with your views with ridicule.

Argumemnon · 19th April 2017, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Border Reiver

Mr. Ossof can look at it as a win as he got more votes then any of the other candidates. Based on how democracy generally works, that would normally have handed him the victory.

Yeah the GOP candidates can thank their false god that the US doesn't use the Canadian system.

NoahFence · 19th April 2017, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Lol
No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state!

And of course the left is looking at this as a win, lol, as they always do with losses.

So once again, I really hate to say it, the leftists lost again!!!
When in the hell is your side going to win?

Why do you hate America?

Serious question.

blutoski · 19th April 2017, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Yeah the GOP candidates can thank their false god that the US doesn't use the Canadian system.

Out of curiosity, do all US congressional district elections use this multiple runoff approach? Or does the state that contains the district decide?

BobTheCoward · 19th April 2017, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Lol
No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state!

And of course the left is looking at this as a win, lol, as they always do with losses.

So once again, I really hate to say it, the leftists lost again!!!
When in the hell is your side going to win?

Didn't they win a bunch of stuff in November?

logger · 19th April 2017, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Why do you hate America?

Serious question.

I have no doubt that you think that's a serious question. To me that's a question based on pure emotion.

18th April 2017, 06:34 PM	#1
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Ossoff is at 55% with half the vote in/Georgia special election If he stays above 50% he'll win without a runoff. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...ion-district-6

18th April 2017, 07:05 PM	#3
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18th April 2017, 07:25 PM	#4
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 15,338	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger If he stays above 50% he'll win without a runoff. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...ion-district-6 And I should care that a third world country has a rigged election because why?
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18th April 2017, 07:26 PM	#5
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18th April 2017, 07:42 PM	#6
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18th April 2017, 07:04 PM	#2
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18th April 2017, 07:46 PM	#7
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Originally Posted by NoahFence Can he win a runoff? It'd be very close, but yes, depending on more stupid crap coming from Trump. His robocall was full of the same wolf crying as his whole election and that truly is wearing thin on people. Of course it should have worn thin after the GOP Primary so who knows? Ossoff is actually very intelligent, a convincing politician, someone to watch.
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18th April 2017, 07:52 PM	#8
Cleon King of the Pod People Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 24,869	It's just a hair over 50% now. It's gonna be REALLY close to avoid a runoff.
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18th April 2017, 08:40 PM	#9
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	No new results have come in for quite a while. Still at 50.3%.

18th April 2017, 09:03 PM	#10
Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,383	Currently at 48.6% According to Nate Cohn, "There's around 15k GOP-leaning vote left. I'd guess that brings Ossoff down to around 47.7 when it's all through."
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18th April 2017, 09:05 PM	#11
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Sigh, well, at least there's still the runoff.

18th April 2017, 09:07 PM	#12
Cleon King of the Pod People Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 24,869	Apparently there was a bad data card that stopped counting for a while. Counting has resumed, and it's looking like a runoff. Crap. I'm NOT looking forward to this dominating the local media cycle for the next couple of months.
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18th April 2017, 09:43 PM	#13
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Originally Posted by Cleon Apparently there was a bad data card that stopped counting for a while. Counting has resumed, and it's looking like a runoff. Crap. I'm NOT looking forward to this dominating the local media cycle for the next couple of months. By the time they have the runoff, it'll almost be time for the 2018 election.

18th April 2017, 09:46 PM	#14
banquetbear Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,274	...okay: I've finally gotten my head around the electoral college. Now you 'Mercan's need to be explaining this further for the rest of us. You need to get over 50% to avoid a "run off?" Why is that? Are all House Seats elected this way?

18th April 2017, 09:53 PM	#15
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Originally Posted by banquetbear ...okay: I've finally gotten my head around the electoral college. Now you 'Mercan's need to be explaining this further for the rest of us. You need to get over 50% to avoid a "run off?" Why is that? Are all House Seats elected this way? No, just this one. And it has nothing to do with the EC, just Georgia's special election rules. The rest of the time, the parties would have nominated the candidates so there would only be one Democrat and one Republican candidate. In some cases like this one a governor would just appoint the replacement.
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18th April 2017, 10:56 PM	#16
banquetbear Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,274	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger No, just this one. And it has nothing to do with the EC, just Georgia's special election rules. The rest of the time, the parties would have nominated the candidates so there would only be one Democrat and one Republican candidate. In some cases like this one a governor would just appoint the replacement. ...I know this had nothing to do with the electoral college: what I meant is I've finally gotten my head around the ridiculous electoral college. Now we have a "special election" which really isn't a "special election", but a "pre-election?" So can we back up a bit? These rules are Georgia specific, and only for a special election? Why are only two possible candidates? What stops an independent candidate running? Why 50%? And how do you guys just know this stuff?

18th April 2017, 11:30 PM	#17
ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 16,911	Originally Posted by banquetbear ...okay: I've finally gotten my head around the electoral college. Now you 'Mercan's need to be explaining this further for the rest of us. You need to get over 50% to avoid a "run off?" Why is that? Are all House Seats elected this way? It's usually called a "jungle primary" and some states have it as a rule for the normal elections as well. For instance, the California Senate seat that was up for election last November, was contested between two Democrats because they came ahead out of the jungle primary.
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18th April 2017, 11:32 PM	#18
ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 16,911	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Sigh, well, at least there's still the runoff. Doesn't that mean that Trump has two more months to do stupid things and thus poison the chances of the GOP candidate?
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18th April 2017, 11:42 PM	#19
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18th April 2017, 11:48 PM	#20
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Originally Posted by banquetbear ...I know this had nothing to do with the electoral college: what I meant is I've finally gotten my head around the ridiculous electoral college. Now we have a "special election" which really isn't a "special election", but a "pre-election?" So can we back up a bit? These rules are Georgia specific, and only for a special election? Why are only two possible candidates? What stops an independent candidate running? Why 50%? And how do you guys just know this stuff? Yes, Georgia specific. If this were the regular year election (All House members up for election every 2 years), Independents could run. The Ds and Rs would put up their candidates chosen in primary elections. Special elections are held when a member of Congress (Senate or House) leaves office before the term is up. Then it is up to state rules how that seat is filled. In this case, Georgia has an election where if anyone gets >50%, they win the seat. If no one does (as happened tonight), then there is a runoff of the top two.

18th April 2017, 11:52 PM	#21
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Originally Posted by Firestone ... it also means the Republicans have two more months to ~~find~~ make up dirt about Ossoff. It's really tiresome, isn't it. When are the voters going to wise up to this repeating strategy? Or, when are the Democrats going to figure out how you counter the crap? In this case, I hear (haven't verified) that Ossoff grew up in this district. The GOP is harping on his not living in the district. (Not sure what Georgia rules are.) So Ossoff needs to emphasize this is his home turf. I don't know his background, but listening to him, he's one smart guy. That needs to be marketed.

18th April 2017, 11:55 PM	#22
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Originally Posted by ddt Doesn't that mean that Trump has two more months to do stupid things and thus poison the chances of the GOP candidate? We can dream.

18th April 2017, 11:56 PM	#23
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61,417	Originally Posted by ddt It's usually called a "jungle primary" and some states have it as a rule for the normal elections as well. For instance, the California Senate seat that was up for election last November, was contested between two Democrats because they came ahead out of the jungle primary. Ah, thank you for the correction.

19th April 2017, 04:47 AM	#24
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19th April 2017, 04:55 AM	#25
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 35,803	It could still be interesting. The GOP mud-slinging will consist of him being a carpetbagger, which could stick to an extent. It will also consist of the type of stuff the Orange Buffoon tweeted, which probably won't mean a thing. Handel's a bona fide political hack and will run on her credentials as "an independent gal" as she calls herself, but her positions read like a I Heart Donald candidate. In a district that Trump nearly lost, Ossoff could take it. The two top GOP candidates in the vote were both Trump-ish Republicans - Handel didn't run for anything on Trump's coattails but she's a typical Georgia reactionary: anti-abortion, tried to defund Planned Parenthood, pro-wall, cutting waste(read: drain the swamp).... I think either she or Gray are a lock for the conservative vote - the question is how many moderate Republicans might be in the district. A sufficient number of them held their noses long enough to vote for Hillary.
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19th April 2017, 05:29 AM	#26
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19th April 2017, 09:24 AM	#27
logger Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,073	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz It could still be interesting. The GOP mud-slinging will consist of him being a carpetbagger, which could stick to an extent. It will also consist of the type of stuff the Orange Buffoon tweeted, which probably won't mean a thing. Handel's a bona fide political hack and will run on her credentials as "an independent gal" as she calls herself, but her positions read like a I Heart Donald candidate. In a district that Trump nearly lost, Ossoff could take it. The two top GOP candidates in the vote were both Trump-ish Republicans - Handel didn't run for anything on Trump's coattails but she's a typical Georgia reactionary: anti-abortion, tried to defund Planned Parenthood, pro-wall, cutting waste(read: drain the swamp).... I think either she or Gray are a lock for the conservative vote - the question is how many moderate Republicans might be in the district. A sufficient number of them held their noses long enough to vote for Hillary. Lol No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state! And of course the left is looking at this as a win, lol, as they always do with losses. So once again, I really hate to say it, the leftists lost again!!! When in the hell is your side going to win?
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19th April 2017, 09:26 AM	#28
Argumemnon World Maker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the thick of things Posts: 63,831	Originally Posted by logger No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state! And, as we know, it's all about tribalism. Quote: So once again, I really hate to say it, the leftists lost again!!! How have they lost with their candidate still in the race?
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19th April 2017, 09:29 AM	#29
logger Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,073	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz A sufficient number of them held their noses long enough to vote for Hillary. Lol I, remember that! When all the buffoons in the media said Hills was going to win Georgia, and surprise, she didn't. Oh well, on to the next insignificant election.
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19th April 2017, 09:32 AM	#30
Argumemnon World Maker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the thick of things Posts: 63,831	Originally Posted by logger Lol You know that's not an argument, right?
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19th April 2017, 09:32 AM	#31
logger Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,073	Originally Posted by Argumemnon And, as we know, it's all about tribalism. Meaning the republicans should have just given it to him. You do realise why it's called a race? Quote: How have they lost with their candidate still in the race? probably the same way the candidate looks at it as a win? Surprising I have to answer that given your supposed moderate views.
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19th April 2017, 09:34 AM	#32
logger Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,073	Originally Posted by Argumemnon You know that's not an argument, right? Correct, it's a small fun part of the argument.
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19th April 2017, 09:46 AM	#33
Segnosaur Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 9,139	Originally Posted by logger Lol No actually it will be about Assoff being LIBERAL! This is a red state! Which is of course the point... A liberal running in a 'red state', in a seat that had been easily won by the republicans in the past, almost manages to get a majority vote. If voters who have traditionally voted republican in the past look at Trump and the current makeup of Congress and say "Maybe I don't want this", then it can have an effect on future elections. Quote: And of course the left is looking at this as a win, lol, as they always do with losses. The Democratic candidate got many, many more votes than any of his rivals. In an area where the democrats have not had recent success. It may not be a 100% 'win', but its certainly not a loss.
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19th April 2017, 09:48 AM	#34
Border Reiver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,912	Originally Posted by logger Meaning the republicans should have just given it to him. You do realise why it's called a race? probably the same way the candidate looks at it as a win? Surprising I have to answer that given your supposed moderate views. Mr. Ossof can look at it as a win as he got more votes then any of the other candidates. Based on how democracy generally works, that would normally have handed him the victory. That being said, for some reason the State of Georgia feels that if a candidate in this sort of election can't just win the popular vote but must beat all of the losers combined, then the worst of the losing candidates are eliminated and the loser has another chance, because maybe the loser's team is more popular then the winner's.
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19th April 2017, 10:06 AM	#35
Argumemnon World Maker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the thick of things Posts: 63,831	Originally Posted by logger Meaning the republicans should have just given it to him. You do realise why it's called a race? I'm struggling to understand how this relates to what you quoted. Quote: probably the same way the candidate looks at it as a win? Surprising I have to answer that given your supposed moderate views. Again, this is completely meaningless. Ossoff didn't lose. He's still in the race. That is a fact, and it has nothing to do with political leanings. Quote: Correct, it's a small fun part of the argument. No, it's not part of the argument at all. It just shows that you react with those who merely disagree with your views with ridicule.
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