IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags media criticism , murder cases , simone biles

Reply
Old 30th August 2019, 09:03 AM   #1
Ranb
Penultimate Amazing
 
Ranb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WA USA
Posts: 10,927
CNN uses an innocent person's name for headlines

So CNN has an article on their front page about a murder and the suspect.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/30/us/cl...rnd/index.html
Quote:
On the night of the shooting, a group of uninvited guests walked into a home and a fight began, authorities said. The fight led to the shooting and multiple people were hit.

Two people -- Delvaunte Johnson, 19, and Toshaun Banks, 21 -- died at the scene. A third person, Devaughn Gibson, 23, later died at a hospital.

Tevin Biles-Thomas is charged with murder, voluntary manslaughter, felonious assault and perjury in a December 31, 2018, fatal shooting in Cleveland. The charges were announced in a joint statement from Cleveland Police and the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office.
The above quote is the details of the incident.
But the article was headlined on CNN's front page as Simone Biles' brother charged in 3 killings

What kind of bull **** is this? Do they really hate Simone Biles enough to drag her into this? Probably not. But they are willing to drag her name into it to get reader attention to their website for the ad revenue.

Quote:
CNN has reached out to Simone Biles for comment.
I'd be very surprised if Ms. Biles had anything to say to CNN other than **** off!

Quote:
Last night she tweeted, "Eating my feelings don't talk to me." She also liked a few tweets Friday morning, including one that said, "This is exactly why I hate the media in America. Has nothing to do with @Simone_Biles don't drag her name through the mud because of something her brother did. She's an American Icon & Hero for little girls everywhere."
Well no ****.

Ranb
Ranb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 09:05 AM   #2
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Antimemetics Division
Posts: 69,914
I totally thought CNN was her friend!
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 09:29 AM   #3
Joe Random
Illuminator
 
Joe Random's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,083
My newsfeed shows near identical headlines for this event, one from CNN and one from Fox, right next to each other. Would be totally shocked if there weren't more outlets doing the same thing. Which is a thousand miles away from me saying it's okay, just that it's to be expected.
Joe Random is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 09:31 AM   #4
alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
 
alfaniner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Sorth Dakonsin
Posts: 29,368
I jusy saw the same thing on the BBC page.
__________________
Science is self-correcting.
Woo is self-contradicting.
alfaniner is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 09:56 AM   #5
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
 
shemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Where the Old Man of the Mountain used to stand
Posts: 58,585
Yes everyone does it. Yes it's reprehensible. Yes "the media" often does sucky things.
__________________
Being the victim of genocidal atrocities does not give you free reign to commit your own genocidal atrocities.

When Republican politicians were young, they were the kids who watched James Bond movies and said "I want to grow up to be just like [insert name of villain here]."
shemp is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 10:28 AM   #6
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,332
Hate when the media does this stupid ****. Sounds like a YouTube video title.
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 10:53 AM   #7
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
 
TragicMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Monkey
Posts: 68,744
News is what is of interest to the masses. It's not what's necessary, logical, or good for the masses to know.
__________________
You added nothing to that conversation, Barbara.
TragicMonkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 10:59 AM   #8
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 46,649
Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
News is what is of interest to the masses. It's not what's necessary, logical, or good for the masses to know.
True but that's what separates a gossip rag from and ostensibly professional news source.

This is a TMZ headline, not a CNN headline.
__________________
"If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 11:13 AM   #9
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
 
TragicMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Monkey
Posts: 68,744
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
True but that's what separates a gossip rag from and ostensibly professional news source.

This is a TMZ headline, not a CNN headline.
The actor who played the slutty plastic surgeon on Nip/Tuck is the son of a former prime minister of Australia. That's hardly important or useful to know, but it is interesting.
__________________
You added nothing to that conversation, Barbara.
TragicMonkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 11:16 AM   #10
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Antimemetics Division
Posts: 69,914
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
True but that's what separates a gossip rag from and ostensibly professional news source.

This is a TMZ headline, not a CNN headline.
I think the big mistake is making distinctions like this. CNN and TMZ are both click-baiting attention whores. One of them just dresses up prettier most of the time.
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 11:21 AM   #11
zooterkin
Nitpicking dilettante
Administrator
 
zooterkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Berkshire, mostly
Posts: 57,668
I doubt if you’d have seen the story at all if it weren’t for the connection with a famous person.
__________________
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.Bertrand Russell
Zooterkin is correct Darat
Nerd! Hokulele
Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232
Ezekiel 23:20
zooterkin is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 12:08 PM   #12
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Antimemetics Division
Posts: 69,914
Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
I doubt if you’d have seen the story at all if it weren’t for the connection with a famous person.
Exactly.
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 12:26 PM   #13
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 60,375
Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Yes everyone does it. Yes it's reprehensible. Yes "the media" often does sucky things.
And it's nothing new.
It is reprehensible behavior.
But having to put up with crap like this is part of the price we pay for a free press. Outside of Libel laws, which give the victim a legal recourse to sue the media involved, there is no way of really preventing this without throwing out freedom of the press.
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 12:29 PM   #14
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 46,649
I don't think anyone is suggesting CNN should be like stopped via any type of legal means.

We needn't not handwring over freedom of the press when it's just people saying they find it distasteful.
__________________
"If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 01:02 PM   #15
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Antimemetics Division
Posts: 69,914
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And it's nothing new.
It is reprehensible behavior.
But having to put up with crap like this is part of the price we pay for a free press. Outside of Libel laws, which give the victim a legal recourse to sue the media involved, there is no way of really preventing this without throwing out freedom of the press.
I'd settle for just throwing out the credibility of the press.
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 01:59 PM   #16
BobTheCoward
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 22,789
Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'd settle for just throwing out the credibility of the press.
This story says nothing about credibility or lack of credibility.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 02:01 PM   #17
BobTheCoward
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 22,789
Is it her real brother? We should ask that NBC announcer.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 02:09 PM   #18
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Antimemetics Division
Posts: 69,914
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
This story says nothing about credibility or lack of credibility.
I have no opinion about that.
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 02:37 PM   #19
BobTheCoward
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 22,789
Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I have no opinion about that.
Then you are in luck. Because I didn't ask for your opinion. I gave you the best one to have going forward.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 03:08 PM   #20
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
 
a_unique_person's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open.
Posts: 46,328
How about poor Jimmy Carter?
__________________
We do these things not because they are easy, but because we thought they were going to be easy.
Everything is possible, but not everything is probable.
“Perception is real, but the truth is not.” - Imelda Marcos
a_unique_person is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 03:43 PM   #21
alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
 
alfaniner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Sorth Dakonsin
Posts: 29,368
The CNN is not the issue here!
__________________
Science is self-correcting.
Woo is self-contradicting.
alfaniner is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 05:02 PM   #22
PhantomWolf
Penultimate Amazing
 
PhantomWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 21,203
A quick search show multiple news outlets doing it. The reason is obvious too. relatives of famous(?)* people have always been referred to this way in the media because the famous person name recognition makes the article more likely to attract attention.


*I didn't have a clue who she was, and even looking her up I'm still not a lot wiser.
__________________

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)

PhantomWolf is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th August 2019, 06:52 PM   #23
Myriad
The Clarity Is Devastating
 
Myriad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Betwixt
Posts: 20,891
I'll read a celebrity news story if the celebrity is doing something I'm interested in, like joining a sports team I follow or working on a movie I might want to see.

Also, once in a great while, by pure chance something happens to a celebrity that's interesting enough that it would be a news story no matter who it happened to.

But for other headlines in the category of "if there wasn't a celebrity involved this wouldn't be a story at all" I just skip to the next one.
__________________
"*Except Myriad. Even Cthulhu would give him a pat on the head and an ice cream and send him to the movies while he ended the rest of the world." - Foster Zygote
Myriad is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th June 2021, 05:09 PM   #24
Ranb
Penultimate Amazing
 
Ranb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: WA USA
Posts: 10,927
Brother of Olympic gymnast Simone Biles is acquitted of murder charges from 2018 shooting

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/15/us/si...ing/index.html
Ranb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th June 2021, 06:54 PM   #25
Joecool
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,844
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
True but that's what separates a gossip rag from and ostensibly professional news source.

This is a TMZ headline, not a CNN headline.
CNN is a gossip rag. They're going to fork over bank to Alan Dershowitz for editing his testimony to create a false narrative.
Joecool is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th June 2021, 07:30 PM   #26
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 16,613
Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
CNN is a gossip rag. They're going to fork over bank to Alan Dershowitz for editing his testimony to create a false narrative.
Dershowitz is a public figure. He has a long road ahead to prove that CNN said something false, knew it was false and said it anyway, acted with deliberate malice and in fact damaged his reputation, which has been pretty much in the mud since he climbed onto to the OJ Simpson bandwagon. If Dershowitz could win as easily as he seems to think, people would be suing Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham etc. after every show.
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 16th June 2021, 11:02 PM   #27
Joecool
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,844
Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Dershowitz is a public figure. He has a long road ahead to prove that CNN said something false, knew it was false and said it anyway, acted with deliberate malice and in fact damaged his reputation, which has been pretty much in the mud since he climbed onto to the OJ Simpson bandwagon. If Dershowitz could win as easily as he seems to think, people would be suing Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham etc. after every show.
I believe CNN will settle out of court with a non disclosure agreement. This isn't the only time CNN has edited someone's testimony to create their own narrative.
Joecool is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 19th June 2021, 10:57 PM   #28
Joecool
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,844
I read that CNN's ratings are tanking because continuing to talk about Donald Trump is getting old now that he's been out of office for 5 months.

Maybe they should resort to actually reporting real news?
Joecool is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:53 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.