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14th December 2019, 08:23 PM | #1 |
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Tessa Majors murder case
Tessa Majors was an 18-year-old freshman at Barnard College, a private college for women in Manhattan, New York City. She was stabbed to death in an apparent mugging. A 13-year-old boy is in custody suspected of the murder. A second 14-year-old boy was detained by police but released and a third is being sought by police. The shocking thing to me is how young the suspects are (all three aged 13 to 14). Police say the 13-year-old has confessed.
Here is one story of many: Barnard stabbing suspect held without bail after Tessa Majors’ murder |
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15th December 2019, 12:51 AM | #2 |
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My first question is why is this boy being tried in family court. This is robbery/homicide - age should not be a factor, the ratbag should be tried as an adult, with all the attendant consequences.
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15th December 2019, 01:51 AM | #3 |
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It might possibly be moved to adult court, but I'm not a lawyer. It's still very early in the process.
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15th December 2019, 05:41 AM | #4 |
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A child is still a child, irrespective of what he has done.
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15th December 2019, 07:34 AM | #5 |
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15th December 2019, 08:14 AM | #6 |
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the view from the fence is just fine
IMO it is prudent to wait and see until more facts come out.
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15th December 2019, 08:42 AM | #7 |
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Yes, he is accused of murder, he's not guilty yet. And I'd like to know the exact nature of his confession. Was it coerced?
But if he did do it and is convicted, I have no problem with him never being allowed to see the light of day again. |
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15th December 2019, 04:50 PM | #8 |
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https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen
This is a story in the New York Times about the park where the incident occurred. It long had a reputation as a place best avoided, particularly after dark. But the area had been gentrifying more recently and some newcomers didn't have the same wariness that long-time New Yorkers have.
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15th December 2019, 05:45 PM | #9 |
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15th December 2019, 08:13 PM | #10 |
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He's not being tried anywhere, and won't be for a long time. The first hearing is the first step in a long process. The 13-year-old himself reportedly didn't stab her himself, but was with two older boys, and he turned them in. And juveniles are presumed to have limited responsibility for their thoughts and actions. The prosecution can always choose to prove otherwise, but the starting point is that a kid is a kid.
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16th December 2019, 01:12 AM | #11 |
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Regarding at what age a child can be tried as an adult, I did see this on BBC:
Responsible Child: Can a 10-year-old be a cold-blooded murderer? It's a different country of course, but the question is the same.
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16th December 2019, 01:20 AM | #12 |
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By the way, I looked up what the law is in New York State.
Age 16 or older means they are automatically charged as an adult, but youths as young as 13 can also be tried as an adult depending on the circumstances and what the prosecutor decides to do. But it isn't automatic. Source
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16th December 2019, 12:07 PM | #13 |
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the right to counsel
"The suspect spoke in the presence of his uncle, as is required when interviewing a juvenile, and the suspect waived his right to remain silent, sources said." CBS
A dissenting judge in the Central Park Five case wrote, "In sum, other than an undisguised intention to exploit this defendant’s youthful vulnerability, there was no justification for the authorities’ actions in preventing defendant from gaining access to the helpful counsel of the supportive adults who had gathered at the police station to assist him. Accordingly, I would hold that the statements the police obtained as a result of their overreaching ought to have been suppressed. Such a holding is necessary, in my view, both to deter the abuse of police authority and to protect the right to counsel of those who are too young and naive to appreciate its importance." I do not contend that the 13-year old's rights have been violated. In addition, the fact that he was in the presence of his uncle is a step in the right direction relative to the CP5 case. IMO however, no juvenile should be able to waive the right to legal counsel, nor should an adult be able to waive it for him or her. I am tempted to go further and suggest that no adult once charged should be able to waive the right to counsel. The consequences are too serious. With respect to the present case, I would like to know more about the specifics of the interrogation (which I hope was recorded). The CP5 is a cautionary tale about what can go wrong. |
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16th December 2019, 12:13 PM | #14 |
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16th December 2019, 12:15 PM | #15 |
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If a child can be tried as an adult what the procedure for them to be declared an adult for the purposes of purchasing and consuming alcohol and tobacco, voting, getting married at cetera.
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16th December 2019, 01:17 PM | #16 |
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Well the point of the justice system is, in part, to evaluate whether perps are a danger to society going forward, and this one isn't on a good start.
In some instance I think trying them as adults is warranted. And in any case, at some point "child" is getting close enough to adult to erase the legal distinction. |
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16th December 2019, 02:00 PM | #19 |
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No, they are out there tackling the root causes.
This murder is because of pot. The NYPD police union says relaxing attitudes towards marijuana use is to blame. https://nypost.com/2019/12/15/tessa-...sident-claims/ It's super good and very normal that the police are spreading rumors about a murder victim to advocate their agenda. |
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