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8th June 2020, 02:22 PM | #521 |
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When deploring what Bamber has done, it is essential to describe what he did. This begins at Goldhanger cottage, and describes his actions during that evening in detail. I consider I know exactly what he did, so I am particularly interested in your version, and the order of events.
The version presented by the crown is useless for this purpose, so it is your job to describe what you deplore. |
8th June 2020, 02:57 PM | #522 |
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The gun would not fit in its case with the silencer attached.
A witness at trial who is also farmer said he would sometimes shoot rabbits without scope and silencer on the rifle. So I guess its down to varying preference. I have never shot rabbits before, so cannot give a first hand account on it. |
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Bamber loaded the rifle then went hunting.
Without finding a target rabbit he returned and left the rifle in the kitchen. Sheila was an experienced shooter and the loaded rifle became the means to shoot her mother after arguing with Neville downstairs. He had come down to check why there was noise in the small hours. The reason was that Sheila's period began and she was filling buckets to rinse her underwear. Now Let us have an intelligent discussion. |
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06.09 999 call
I'd like to know what the pro-guilt stance is regarding the alleged 06.09 am. 999 call from WHF. Is it valid, or is it nonsense?
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The telephone operator was listening in via the kitchen telephone that was left off the hook. At 6:09am the operator connected the phone to a police station via the 999 system so the police could listen in also.
Some halfwit in JBs campaign team thought this was Sheila dialing 999 for an ambulance. |
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What I recall reading was that Jeremy's application for Judicial Review of a decision under the Official Info Act (as we call it here) was denied on the basis that it was something the CCRC was equipped to resolve.
So clearly he his moving on with his application with the knowledge that the Court has indicated that the CCRC will ensure he gets the information he sought. |
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’Former cop aims to help free Jeremy Bamber’ - 17th Feb 2021
Excerpts: “Former policeman Stuart Bower, from Hove, has been writing to the convicted killer since 2007 and believes Bamber has evidence which may exonerate him. “In 1985, I was put in prison for a crime I didn’t commit,” said former West Yorkshire policeman Mr Bower. “It took me nine years to clear my name in an uncontested appeal in 1994.” Mr Bower was convicted of arson on a boat he owned jointly with his father-in-law. He spent six months in custody and was awarded £475,000 in damages as a result. “What happened to me is why I have put myself forward on more than one occasion to assist other people who have been victims of miscarriages of justice,” he said. “Mr Bower said: “There was a documentary and one of the sergeants who attended the scene and was joined there by Jeremy Bamber said they saw somebody moving in the upstairs windows – they withdrew back and hid behind a hedge waiting for the firearms unit to arrive. “This sergeant said that it was an optical illusion caused by moonshine on the window – which is what caused me to write to the science museum, directed to the Royal Observatory Edinburgh, who confirmed the moon wasn’t shining that night. “To be exact, it was in its last quarter which means it was nothing more than a silver sickle in the sky.” Mr Bower continues to write to and receive letters from Bamber. Stuart Bower has been writing letters to Bamber since 2007 He has also written to Hove and Portslade MP Peter Kyle, urging him to get involved in the case. He wrote: “If Jeremy Bamber was to write to you himself, would you be willing to take up the cudgels on his behalf, and refer this to the Home Secretary and demand that a copy of the audio message of the three nines call is handed over to his defence team?” https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1909...mpression=true Sheila was walking around, saw the cops outside, realised there was no way out, and lay down and made a mess of shooting herself. The second shot succeeded. How the British people can let this outrage against Jeremy Bamber persist is incomprehensible to me. Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. |
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It seems a very serious question.
Why did the police hide behind a hedge? There was no moonlight to create the illusion. However they knew there were guns in the house and they did think they saw someone moving upstairs. Bamber was nearby and is alleged to have killed everyone in the house by this time. Sheila was found shot upstairs with two bullets that accorded with suicide trajectories though the first shot was misaligned resulting in a non fatal wound that missed her brain. The body was discovered with uncoagulated blood flowing from these wounds despite this being several hours beyond the time Bamber could have inflicted them. There is no reason to not answer the above points in detail if your theory is correct. It would be rewarding to see more people have a go at this case as it may well be the greatest MOJ in modern British history. |
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If Jeremy Bamber had taken legal advice and come clean right from the start, he could be out on parole by now, with a new identity and leading a new life, perhaps with a family of his own. But no, this callous reprobate insists Sheila did it because he is hellbent on claiming his 'inheritance': the reason he killed his kind loving family who adopted him, in the first place. He killed for money and by Jove he is going to keep banging on about the 'land that belongs to me', when of course, if you murder the beneficient, you forfeit any claim as an heir.
Instead of sitting in his cell counting the pennies up in his head, he might do well to reflect on the consequences of his actions and weigh up whether material wealth is worth more than a happy, albeit humble, life. |
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How about demonstrating that the moon was full, instead of just asserting it? (To be fair, I'd ask the same of Bower if he was here, but he's not.)
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https://www.moonpage.com/index.html?...=4&min=0&sec=0
Looks like it. So Samson, why do you think Bower got this so wrong? |
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According to PC Bews pocketbook/ws. As they approached the house, Jeremy mentioned that the labrador was outside barking and that Nevil would usually come outside to see why the dog was alerting him. Since nobody came out they realized they could be in danger. Hence they took cover.
As for what Myall and Bews saw in the window, it could well have been Sheila or it may not have been. Speculation wont establish anything one way or another. |
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New application to CCRC: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...lenge-launched
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What terrific news. I am immediately reminded of reading Professor Knight's (?) work on around the bullet entry wounds to Sheila, the scratch said to have come from the arc of a rifle being swung overhead leaving a mark from the edge of the lintel above the stove that was impossible to have happened in the manner described, and lastly the reconstruction of what happened on the stairs by Mike G which actually revealed that Neville had been turned away by gunfire on the stairs.
I look forward to the CCRC's report and expect from what little information there is above, including the 2 phone calls, the trace of the barrel/silencer blood and movement inside the house when all were meant to be dead that indicates that the prosecution is in deep, deep, trouble. |
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There is a crime scene photograph of the virgin underside of the mantelpiece.
Therefore someone scratched the mantlepiece after the crime to demonstrate a struggle with a rifle between Neville and Jeremy. There was no struggle. Sheila shot Neville as he descended the stair case and shot him again when he collapsed in the coal scuttle. |
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Sheila shot Neville twice in the mouth as he ascended the stairs as he heard Sheila shooting his wife.
He turned. June was not killed and dragged herself towards the door. AfterSheila emptied the cartridge downstairs on Neville she reloaded, returned upstairs and completed killing June, her adoptive mother. Then she killed her children. |
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Sheila was not about to have her children removed to alternative care as Neville and her religious adoptive mother determined necessary.
She found her period beginning and descended the stairs, made a noise with buckets in the kitchen immersing her bloodied underwear. Neville was awokened as the defending patriarch of the remote farm. The dispute about custody resumed and Sheila took hold of the rifle Jeremy loaded to shoot rabbits to no avail. He had tragically left it so Sheila could run rampant with 10 bullets in the semi auto 22. She killed them all as described above. |
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Some day I hope this forum will engage seekers of solutions to the gravest of injustices to study this case and help a completely innocent man confront the disgusting edict of a home secretary who could decide Jeremy Bamber must die in jail without simultaneously telling his prisoner.
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The amount of evidence withheld in the original trial and to Bamber's defence team is incredible.
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