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6th November 2015, 10:46 PM | #241 |
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Yep ive followed the case from the offset and never had any doubts he is guilty , I think you are right in saying he is pinning all hopes on non disclosure , hopefully the sccrc are simply going through the motions ,they must think bringing an ex mp into will carry weight , just another clutch at straws, his lawyers must be loving it though .
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Ok , so if and when the sccrc do tell him where to go , is that it ? or does he have more time wasting bites at the cherry , the echr perhaps ?
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I suppose everyone has access to the ECHR.
Judging by his past form, his preferred strategy is to try to plead procedural technicalities. He wants to show that the prosecution didn't follow the strict rules in some respect or another, and thus claim that they haven't proved their case against him. Whether he'd try to take that as far as the ECHR I don't know. He's not interested in providing an explanation for what he was doing that day. Only in claiming that the case against him hasn't been proved beyond reasonable doubt. |
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Thanks. I noticed this:
David somewhat reluctantly saw Suzanne over the early May 2010 Bank Holiday weekend. On Monday 3rd May 2010 David left Suzanne in a way that he thought drew a final line on their friendship as far as they were both concerned. She attempted further contact with him by text and phone following his departure. He continued to make it clear that was it, switching off his phone. He went home. Andrea and David agreed to continue with their attempts to try and find a way forward together. The next day Suzanne went missing. I wonder what these messages of hers said and what time she sent them. How would switching off his phone make his position clear? |
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I don't think any of that is substantiated by the phone records. Part of the case against Gilroy was that he was bombarding Suzanne with texts right up till the time she disappared, but not after that.
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The web site is PR. I doubt if there's a word of truth in it.
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There is some interesting stuff on that Gilroy site. For instance, if he applied fake tan to himself the day before and that explains the supposed concealment of his injuries, why didn't the relevant family member testify to that effect? More importantly, who the heck uses fake tan?
Also, his car is of a make that is susceptible to broken suspension coils or springs or whatever. That's one to him isn't it? And there is a missing mobile phone of his, allegedly, which shows what he was doing other than disposing of a body. And a claim that he did no have any access to the basement car park. Apparently, to access the basement you would need to retrieve a key from a safe on the floor below the one where he worked. That seems a rather inconvenient arrangement for the folks with cars parked down there but the family is surely not going to bring up plainly bad points. Given that reasonable doubt is all that was required, you would think he could have muddied the waters with some of this stuff. Does fake tan hide scratches? |
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The fake tan carry on was obviously a feeble attempt to hide injuries inflicted by Suzanne when fighting for her life, he claimed they were from gardening work , to which there was no evidence to support , reason for nobody giving evidence regarding it , and as to why his wife didn't give evidence is probably because they didn't want to perjure themselves , if his wife was so keen in supporting his case why didn't she give evidence , or him for that matter . I don't think the "missing" phone photos will have any relevance .Yes maybe his car is prone to weak suspension , but what about the greenery stuck to the underside of it . I wish their website was forum like and could be added to
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On the make-up/fake tan I noticed something weird in the appeal judgment:
On the day after his return from Lochgilphead, having given a detailed statement concerning his association with the deceased and his own movements (infra), the appellant consented to be examined by a Forensic Medical Examiner. He had a number of injuries to his forehead, hands and arms. On the back of his right hand and wrist were parallel curvi-linear abrasions, which could have been caused by finger nails. According to a consultant forensic pathologist, such abrasions were a characteristic reaction of a person who was being strangled. On Friday, 7 May, the appellant was taken to police headquarters to have his hands photographed. The photographer noticed that the appellant was wearing make-up on his hands. He was asked to wash his hands before having them photographed again. He was noted not to be drying his hands by vigorous rubbing, despite giving an impression of doing so. Actually, there are two weird things here. The first is that there would have been no point concealing his injuries on the 7th when they had already been noticed on the 5th (or 4th or whatever day it was the day after he returned from Lochgilphead). The second is this. What is the suggestion here? That his hand injuries were too painful to dry properly so he pretended to? |
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Yes they had been noticed , but they wanted him in for photographing of these injuries and did so at the later date , it was also mentioned at the trial that he wasn't really trying to wash his hands but trying to give the impression he was , and same with drying them , he obviously wanted to keep the make up on , not quite the actions of an innocent man with nothing to hide
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Well Rolfe looks like its down to us 2 in this discussion as I certainly wont be rising or replying to anyone who seems to think its a joke
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His humour is something of an acquired taste.
I suppose it's fair to consider that there may be a different interpretation of events from the one recounted in court and reported in the papers. But that web site looks to me like a string of excuses presented where they can't be challenged. If Gilroy really did have an exculpatory explanation for the incriminating details, why not present this in court? I think his Plan A crashed and burned when it turned out that you can be charged and convicted of murder without the body being found. Plan B was to say nothing and hope the Crown couldn't prove its case beyond reasonable doubt. Plan C was to claim procedural irregularities (such as not being cautioned when he should have been). Plan D is to bleat about non-disclosure. Plan D/2 is to get more surveillance data disclosed and then to devise a cover story that's compatible with that data. He's struggling. |
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Well I don't find anything remotely funny in his comments , (yes im one of the 47% ) but as for Gilroy I hope he is struggling , struggling to cope with his sentence and hope every second seems like a day
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Put yourself in his position for a moment, assuming this was not a premeditated murder. Would you have thought of the need to keep texting her? How else could he have improved his chances? I can't imagine having the coolness to think I get away with something like this. If I did such a thing, I'm sure I would head out in a daze to find the nearest copper.
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It obviously wasn't pre-meditated. How he managed to get her out of Edinburgh is a wonder. It looks as if he coped astoundingly well immediately after the murder, but then went to pieces by the following day. If he'd driven straight to Lochgilphead, carried out whatever business he'd managed to dream up while the school was actually open, then made a point of stopping to buy a picnic-style meal shortly afterwards, then dumped the body on the way back, it would have been hard to prove he hadn't just stopped to eat his sandwiches and nodded off for an hour. Oh, and he should have left his mobile phone back in the office. |
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Thanks once again Rolfe ,that is the general consensus regarding this waste of oxygen . I just hope the day comes sooner rather than later when her remains are found , though I doubt if it will come from him .
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Mostly for the sake of her family , her elderly parents in particular, Doesn't that make a difference that they don't know where her remains are ,they cant have closure , that they cant give her a decent burial ?
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Really? I'm sure that "can't have closure" is just a meaningless phrase picked up from TV (it's not as if parents' life will suddenly be transformed by the discovery of some bones). I can understand that some religious people would feel better for having had a funeral, though. The mother of one of Brady and Hindley's victims wrecked her entire life by focusing solely on the search for her son's (?) remains, as if finding them would have brought him (?) back somehow. It just seems so self-defeating to be wrapped in the search for remains.
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