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12th February 2021, 04:35 AM | #1801 |
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On this 6th anniversary of the thread I would like to thank Chris Halkides, Rolfe and Charlie Wilkes for their immeasurable contributions to logic, reason and justice.
Also to The Atheist for that rare change of mind. Others know facts, like Fixit and Hard Cheese. Smart Cooky made a remarkable post on logistics of contamination. This case will surely be corrected. |
12th February 2021, 04:46 AM | #1802 |
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The greater issue will always be the wellbeing of inmate.
Inmate is Mark Edward Lundy. Mark remains a gregarious man who is called on to resolve conflicts within the precinct. |
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14th February 2021, 10:34 AM | #1804 |
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By the time of the second trial, much of the evidence of the first trial had been abandoned. After the second trial, the mRNA evidence was tossed (it should have never made it into the trial in the first place). This raises a question.
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14th February 2021, 03:14 PM | #1805 |
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I bet this goes back to the appeal court. They will be invited to contradict the unanimous finding of the supreme court, where the judges float up and down in an incestuous judiciary.
This will be fascinating to say the least. As with Tess of the d'Urbervilles, eventually the president of the immortals will end his sport with Mark. |
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14th February 2021, 07:03 PM | #1807 |
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The Lundy is black and white. The others harder to prove the negative.
The petrol in Lundy is black and white for example. The appeal court and supreme court were obliged to write false statements to deal with this, which will be seen to be unacceptable by the CCRC. The CCRC are vested with the task of finding what went wrong if an innocent party is convicted and jailed, and kept in jail, so one of the things that went wrong is that Mark Cooper at appeal level, and Forest Miller at the supreme level, penned false statements. These statements can be easily dismantled into their component lies. They were unanimously agreed on by the pillars of society. The CCRC was located by Andrew Little in Hamilton to be as far as practicable, he said, from Wellington. Wellington harbours these courts of miscreants within a pitching wedge of each other. |
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Recovered memories prompted by $10,000 lump sums, some achieved by a kindly prompt by the clinicians that the parents had a terminating date by which to apply. Nevertheless, it is not possible to prove he performed no
indictable indiscretion of any kind. Nor is it possible to prove that maddening ketch existed for Watson's defence, as such proof would have been found and presented. I know at least one video camera of a ketch disappeared, I just went back to the thread and it started here http://www.internationalskeptics.com...5&postcount=87 Note mods, we are concerned with degrees of certainty with these three cases, and I am suggesting Lundy is 100% certain of innocence, whereas the others are beyond proof of innocence. Therefore the Lundy case will cause the greatest upheaval because of the wilful fabrications of the highest judges. |
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I don't, sorry.
When your star witness takes two completely opposite positions in consecutive trials and the jury buys them both, you're finished. They successfully argued that night is day and won, thanks to one sentence: "No man should have his wife's brains on his shirt." He didn't. If there was a market, I'd have a sly $10 on Lundy dying in jail. |
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right for the wrong reasons?
The defense would benefit from a snappy comeback to this statement.
When I followed the aftermath of the second trial on a New Zealand blog, someone said of the first case words to the effect, "You can be right for the wrong reasons." Perhaps that notion was in the minds of the second jury. |
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The defence team must take a lot of the blame, in my opinion.
I'm sure they challenged evidence, but they must have been terrible at it for the stomach contents to be anything other than exculpatory. I believe that expert committed perjury. He knows he's wrong and said it anyway. |
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James Pang was clearly not an expert so the prosecution should never have put him in the position. It is probably a record change to go from an exact 15 minute window for time of death to any time between when Mrs Lundy put the phone down at 7 04 pm till the bodies were discovered about 9 the next morning. So from 15 minutes to 14 hours.
He explained this variation in his testimony by saying he had done more reading in the intervening decade. |
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I'm with The Atheist I'm afraid. There are cases in which the authorities simply will never allow any verdict that puts them in the wrong, and this seems to be one of them. I'm thinking the IRA bombing trials were an aberration in getting corrected.
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Peter would have researched the heck out of the ESR file, found a heap of strong exculpatory evidence - discussed it with Bernard Brown from the Auckland Law School and fought the admissibility of the IHC all the way to the PC again possibly, along with the arguments about the palm hairs not being examined. I say this as him having been involved with the retrial.
The ESR discovery files from 2014 are remarkably helpful and if fully read I feel certain PAW would not have conceded brain as being on the shirt. Never. It's in the files that 1 hair (clearly not belonging to CL or ML) examined could have been subjected to mtDNA testing, in the broader picture so should have the 21 palm hairs and PAW I believe would have not been prepared to proceed with the trial until all the hairs had been tested. Particularly with what is now understood about the hair evidence in the Watson case. The Lawyers had all this before them as did their forensic science advisors. Mark has never had a proper defence or a fair trial. |
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In one of the Lockerbie threads we heard about someone (a lawyer perhaps?) who had some contact with Abdelbaset al-Megrahi in jail and pronounced him guilty on the basis of his demeanor. Everyone else who met him, prison guards, other inmates and so on, were convinced of his innocence. One person's impression of someone's demeanour isn't anything to go on.
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wasted resources
The prosecution used two...novel...types of forensics against Mr. Lundy. Some thought should be given to why they did so. In addition, one wishes that they had spent the money wasted on testing fourteen year old stains for messenger RNA, on rethinking the investigation from square one.
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instability of messenger RNA
The mRNA-based vaccines against Covid-19 are known to require cold storage (for a simplified explanation, see this link). This is additional evidence, though indirect, that a fourteen year old stain should not have been used as a source of mRNA. It is worth asking why and how the New Zealand authorities went that route. Did someone not apprise them of this problem?
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25th December 2021, 05:53 PM | #1825 |
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Pales into nothing in comparison with the crown evidence on digestion of the food.
Facts were irrelevant to a corrupt jury at the second trial. |
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Can't remember Chris without going searching but I do know ESR warned police not to send Christine's DNA to Miller as he had no forensic science accreditation to handle DNA. She was likely concerned it might suddenly get found somewhere it hadn't been found before. There were other warnings she gave police but I recall they were all ignored.
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Parole hearing this year and CCRC news might be a dead heat. Bodes ill for the great New Zealand experiment in managing justice without assistance from mother England.
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Actually not. Quickly found 5 cases recently 2 of which were double murders and both were released. Tamihere is one of those 2, the other is Gail Maney. One of the 5 (all murder convictions) was released at his first board.
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it made my head spin
One of the most surprising things about the retrial was the complete about-face that the prosecution did regarding the timeline. In effect the police were admitting that the first jury should not have convicted Mr. Lundy. One of David Hislop's questions to a police officer addressed this, if I am not mistaken. If I had been on the jury, I would have been so discomfited by the abrupt and complete change, I would have thought long and hard about convicting, even if there had been no defense presentation whatsoever.
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From my perspective, my question is how can there be no reasonable doubt considering that the prosecution is switching timelines? Among all the other issues (the immunohistochemistry stuff, for example, etc).
Even if you weigh the evidence and say, yeah, I think he did it, is it really that clear to beyond a reasonable doubt? There are no good reasons to doubt his guilt? I find that unfathomable. Or does the beyond a reasonable doubt standard not apply in New Zealand? |
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the BRD standard in New Zealand
"n contrast to the civil standard, the criminal standard of proof – beyond reasonable doubt – is more rigid and is generally strictly adhered to throughout common law jurisdictions. Neither the standard itself nor the evidence required to meet it is said to fluctuate. This is because of the inherent seriousness of criminal matters and the need to protect the accused, and in particular the need to protect innocent persons from conviction.272 While it is referred to as the criminal standard, proof beyond reasonable doubt is also required in proceedings for civil contempt, because there is a risk of imprisonment273 and for orders under the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989 declaring that a child or young person is in need of care or protection on the grounds that he or she has committed an offence.274" link and link2
Of course different juries probably interpret what is meant by "beyond reasonable doubt" in different ways. |
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