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18th October 2016, 01:33 AM | #361 |
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I see what you are saying. But the law doesn't place any conditions on what you can do, other than you can only use reasonable force. I think you'd be hard pressed to claim that closing and locking a sliding door was unreasonable force.
I guess the question here might be, at what point does self defence/removing of a person from your property turn into deprivation of liberty? Was the intention of closing the sliding door to protect himself/defuse the situation, or to keep her trapped? I think you can make a case for either. |
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Very interesting from what little I know of the Judge's summary, he's made the situation clear but the Jury seem to be struggling with the concepts. Would be an interesting Jury room.
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I know only what I read and hear, but I can see a difficulty. Because he has been charged with murder, it may not be possible to resolve it by 1 jury member sticking out for manslaughter while 11 wish to acquit of manslaughter. I am not doing a good job of this, maybe Hard Cheese can figure it.
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It seems pretty clear that at the very least he used intimidation to defuse the situation; the problem with this is that he verbally threatened her too, and also I think it's fair to say that she would have found him physically imposing when things got serious. His statements on the BB forums don't match up with the recording. From his post:
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I'm all for defending the indefensible but this doesn't add up. Even taking into account alcoholic state, and stress of the situation, I find it impossible to believe he didn't hear her. She was asking to be let back in; the way he tells it, she didn't. Any way you look at it, and however he justified it - he still intimidated her and pushed her out onto a 14 story balcony. She was obviously in fear, so I think there is a good case for criminal negligence. I'm very interested in seeing the outcome, and I predict a manslaughter verdict. |
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Are they debating murder or aquittal? I say acquittal with 2-3 stubbornly calling it manslaughter
You are not allowed to discriminate LionKing you dont seem to get it. If a woman assaults you you may smack her in the chops & it is self defense. Also amusing - the the only other two forums I could find one is largely in favour of acquittal, a recent thread probably 80% but a fair number of replies The other old fitness forum thread is about 60-70% in favour of not guilty So you guys here I think are 80-90% in favour of a guilty verdict Which I think is quite unusual. [edit] Just found the one on bodybuilding.com thats 3 forums all largely supportive of the accused and this one against the accused. There was also some mention of drugs in her system being suppressed by the prosecution. I think its a frame up - apalling |
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Oh I get it alright. I get the groupies who have (magically) appeared here can't conceive that their hero is guilty. I get the stupid, ridiculous idea that a large, buffed bodybuilder can be threatened and intimidated by a small, drunk woman. I get the pathetic idea that it was proper behaviour to put her on a high balcony while threatening her than putting her out the front door and ringing the cops. I get it that his behaviour of not calling cops but going outside furtively to get a pizza is the behaviour of a guilty jerk.
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Something she wouldn't have had to do had she not been illegally imprisoned.
Those would be the same partial transcripts on which you were basing you claims of Tostee's obvious innocence previously? |
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His sex, size, skin colour, body odour etc have no legal bearing
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