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14th October 2016, 02:57 AM | #161 |
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Thanks for the welcome bb. Regarding the transcript, just try typing in "gable tostee transcript" into Google. There are several detailed summaries available.
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Okay assuming you are posting in good faith. Please explain why Tostee didn't throw Wreight out the front door and call the police? Then please explain why he casually strolled out to have a pizza before calling the police?
This isn't the behaviour of a simple jerk. This is the behaviour of a narcissistic, violent murderer. Behaviour displayed in the audio where he threatened to throw her off the balcony. He was twice her size. She was no doubt in fear of her life. He's going down. |
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I can't pretend to know what Tostee was thinking. My guess is that he was angry that she had just trashed his apartment, refused to leave and then tried to cave his head in with a telescope. Was locking her out on the balcony irresponsible and vindictive? Absolutely. Does it display murderous intent? No. Could it be argued that he unintentionally caused her death? Maybe (drunk people are well known to overestimate their own capabilities, it's why so many people get behind the wheel after a few drinks).
Furthermore, I don't see how his subsequent culinary choice provides any indication of any latent murderous tendencies. I remember it being reported at his bail hearing that Tostee is mildly autistic and that that may be responsible for his behavior. Our he could've just been in shock and running on auto-pilot. Either way, I really don't see the significance. |
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Please stop with this rubbish. You are on a skeptical forum. Where is the evidence of such violent damage to Tostee?
You are biased, this is clear. But can you please explain why he, as big and strong as he was, didn't simply put the victim out the door and/or call the police? |
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I am not biased (or at least not to the extent of trying to push pizza eating as evidence of murderous intent). As for your question, I've mentioned twice already, he was doing exactly that when she assaulted him.
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It should be irrelevant.
I don't think you can say beyond reasonable doubt that his actions were life threatening. You can make a case for the scenario where he locks her out on the balcony to sober up, but she is not in fear of her life; in her inebriated state she just makes a very bad judgement call about her ability to climb down. I think he'll be found not guilty. But I wouldn't put a lot of money on it. |
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Tostee was drunk as a skunk - not as drunk as her for sure but still well beyond what would be considered a rational sober state.
After the incident no doubt the shock & adrenaline sobered him up as would have eating a meal. So he was drunk & needed to sober up. He could have thrown her out with her belongings yes but she would have made a terrible commotion in the corridor screaming and yelling Also he did offer to walk her home earlier on, but by the end she was beyond that. So the balcony was somewhere she could not cause any trouble for anybody - if he had shoved her out the door she could have caused more trouble in the building He could have locked her in the bathroom but the sliding french door was right there & he could see what she was doing I dont believe he did this to be vindictive but it was certainly irresponsible. Her behaviour was beyond irresponsible & vindictive but I have been paralytic myself many times & yep its not ones best This was the 14th floor I believe so he could not just shove her out the door in that state - she would never have made it out of the building unassisted. I'm not connected to the case at all - just listened to the recordings and am making a non-emotional judgement |
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Oh and there is ample evidence of the damage to Tostee he had scabs and scars all over so must have been bleeding a fair bit at the time
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I am totally gobsmacked by this.You are saying that Tostee's drunkenness somehow excuses him. Amazing ********.
The poor, buffed, bodybuilding baby was so upset by the Tinder girl getting thrown out on the balcony, threatened with violence and subsequently being murdered that he had to comfort himself by eating a pizza. Before calling the police. |
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No its not rubbish there are photographs which I have seen online & he had a medical examination of the injuries. He still had bruising and scabs from the cuts more than a day later so he would have definitely been bleeding a fair bit
He had cuts all over arms, legs etc . There was also his blood on the stones and other items. While she inflicted this he was still being somewhat affable toward her. In the end all she got was held down & told off. It was her choice to climb off the balcony. Clearly hysterical & blind drunk. Clearly she was drunk beyond sound judgement & so was he. Are we to have drunken breathalizer tests for balcony owners? I think not. Yes you can argue that he should not have put her on the balcony in that state - but he was also in a state of drunkeness She should not have chosen to drink alcohol in an apartment with a 14 floor balcony when she was fully sober at the beginning - same rationality in that argument She was a grown woman fully responsible for her actions. She was guilty of assault. She knew when she began drinking that there was a dangerous balcony. She chose to get blind drunk and have sex with a total stranger in an apartment with a 14 floor balcony. Even I wouldnt do that. So I dont have any sympathy or malice in this case. I just dont like to see people finger pointing unjustly. |
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Yeah. Evidence of what? Active sex?
How does this excuse this large man throwing a small woman on to the balcony? I don't believe you have answered the question. Why did he not throw her out the door and/or call the police? I don't expect an answer from the Tostee apologists. |
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It was a 14 floor apartment & she was pissed out of it. If he wanted her out he would have had to get her to the ground floor & out the front door
At stake ? - his tenancy perhaps It was a bad night on the piss for the pair of them. Neither is guilty of anything really except being extremely immature. I used to do this stuff when I was 15. |
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That didn't stop her from attacking him at one point, so I don't see how she was intimidated by his size. Looking at the photos of his injuries, if you hadn't told me beforehand he was a bodybuilder I would have laughed at you. He is about the most unimpressive bodybuilder I've ever seen.
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Just as a thought exercise...
Suppose he shoves her, drunk as she is, out the front door, and she tries to leave by the stairwell, falls down the stairs and dies? Or maybe she makes it to the street, and walks out in front of a bus? Is he responsible for her death in either of those scenarios under the relevant laws? |
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You can also find it here and here, for those who find clicking on Fail links makes them feel dirty.
I note that Wright states, several times, that she wants to call the police. And that she would jump off the balcony Then there are gems like:
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Curious who Wrisght's phone ended up in Tostee's pocket isn't it? Almost as if he'd take it so she couldn't call... |
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Yet she asked to leave and he wouldn't let her.
Yeah.. He seemed very calm when he called his father and lawyer... His problem. He could have called the police. So why not call, for example, a taxi? Yeah, minor scratches and abrasions. |
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Is drunkenness an affirmative defense in Australia? "I was drunk when I did it, yer Honor."
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I wonder if the owners have that in the lease. Apparently they should. Otherwise there might be grounds for maintaining an attractive nuisance.
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Except that she didn't choose to go out on the balcony. Someone made that choice for her.
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Just a paragraph before this you were using drunkenness as a defense for Tostee, How did it all of a sudden get to be evidence of culpability for her? Double standard much? |
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If I had a date go that sour, the last thing I would want to do is keep the girl around. The notion that locking her on the balcony was in any way justifiable is ridiculous and deplorable. The only rational thing to do at that point was throw her out and send her on her way. If she calls the police, deal with it.
I don't know if he's guilty of murder, but he is certainly guilty of holding her against her will. |
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Jury deliberations begin on monday - we should have a verdict by Friday I expect, possibly sooner.
I have nothing further to say - awaiting the verdict of the court. But if its guilty I fully support an appeal and retrial. |
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I made an online poll so lets vote - Is he guilty of Murder or Manslaughter yes/no
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I'll throw it back at you. If he wanted to kill her, why lock her on the balcony? He could've killed her quite easily inside the apartment. putting her on they balcony made it much easier for her to call for help and attract attention. And why close and lock the door if he wanted to murder her?
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14th October 2016, 05:48 PM | #199 |
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Have a look at the law he is being tried under. The act of locking her on the balcony, threatening her and putting her in fear of her life is sufficient to make him a murderer. He didn't have to throw her off the balcony.
One thing that is for certain is that if he had thrown her out the front door, she would still be alive. |
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The law says that he needs to either have intended to kill her (which he clearly didn't), or that he engaged in the commission of an unlawful act that is likely to endanger a human life.
Not being a lawyer, I'm not going to speculate on whether the action of locking her on the balcony amounted to wrongful detention. But regardless, I think it's extremely difficult to argue that the act of locking her on the balcony was an act of intimidation "likely to endanger a human life". And I think a jury will likely think the same. |
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