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Old 22nd December 2016, 10:29 PM   #1
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The Claremont Killer

One of Australia's most famous cold cases, The Claremont Serial Killings, has just had a major breakthrough. Bradley Robert Edwards has been charged with two murders as well as several other offences, and may still be charged with a third murder, the presumed 3rd victim disappeared in 1996 and has never been found.

This case has been being investigated for over 20 years and is the largest and most expensive murder investigation in Australian history.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-2...murder/8144518
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-2...harges/8145066
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-2...illing/8144208
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...4a88e00899e6df

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_murders
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Looks like sustained, sensational police work. I'm certain they've got their man.
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Old 23rd December 2016, 12:41 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Looks like sustained, sensational police work. I'm certain they've got their man.
With a state government likely to lose the next election and a police commissioner battling claims that he has been in the job too long, it wouldn't surprise me if the police "added blue metal to the mix".

This should be the trial of the decade if the media gives it more than a few sound bites or one-liners.
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Old 23rd December 2016, 12:56 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
With a state government likely to lose the next election and a police commissioner battling claims that he has been in the job too long, it wouldn't surprise me if the police "added blue metal to the mix".
Your opinion of modern Australian police lacks credibility. We are not in the 1980s.
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Old 23rd December 2016, 01:04 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Your opinion of modern Australian police lacks credibility. We are not in the 1980s.
LOL You think that the police are different today?

Countless Royal Commissions conducted around the country have all found that if the police fear that the case they have against a suspect may not guarantee a guilty verdict then they are not averse to fabricating additional evidence to guarantee the guilty verdict. The police call this "adding blue metal to the mix" (blue metal makes concrete stronger).
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Old 23rd December 2016, 01:13 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
With a state government likely to lose the next election and a police commissioner battling claims that he has been in the job too long, it wouldn't surprise me if the police "added blue metal to the mix".

This should be the trial of the decade if the media gives it more than a few sound bites or one-liners.
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LOL You think that the police are different today?

Countless Royal Commissions conducted around the country have all found that if the police fear that the case they have against a suspect may not guarantee a guilty verdict then they are not averse to fabricating additional evidence to guarantee the guilty verdict. The police call this "adding blue metal to the mix" (blue metal makes concrete stronger).
You don't know what you are talking about. Not the first time. Give me a recent example of police using that term in a case involving fabricated evidence.
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You don't know what you are talking about. Not the first time. Give me a recent example of police using that term in a case involving fabricated evidence.
If it is your claim that corruption has been eradicated from police forces around the country then the burden of proof is upon you.
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If it is your claim that corruption has been eradicated from police forces around the country then the burden of proof is upon you.
Hilarious. You raised "added blue metal to the mix". You can't support it. Well done brave Sir Robin.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Hilarious. You raised "added blue metal to the mix". You can't support it. Well done brave Sir Robin.
So you can't prove that corruption has been eradicated?
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
So you can't prove that corruption has been eradicated?
Where did I claim that? Keep on running away or support your "blue metal" claim. You can't.
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Where did I claim that? Keep on running away or support your "blue metal" claim. You can't.
You have completely backed way from your "We are not in the 1980s" argument.
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You have completely backed way from your "We are not in the 1980s" argument.
More hilarity. "Blue metal". Put up, or.....
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
More hilarity. "Blue metal". Put up, or.....
I don't need to. You acknowledged that it was happening in the 1980s (or that remark is completely meaningless).
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I don't need to. You acknowledged that it was happening in the 1980s (or that remark is completely meaningless).
Your posts are here for everyone to read. "Blue metal". I haven't had a laugh like this for ages.
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I was a postgraduate student at the University of Western Australia at the time of these murders and lived close the scene. If I was working late and missed the last bus I had to walk home at night through at area close to where the disappearances took place.

One of the strangest encounters I had with the police was when I was rushing to my bus stop to catch the last bus. A police car pulled up beside me and started asking questions about where I was going. At first I thought they were concerned about the fact that I was walking close to a region where young women had disappeared and were planning to warn me and perhaps even offer me a ride. But it turned out that they were actually questioning me because I looked suspicious due to 'wearing dark clothes, walking quickly and carrying a large bag'. After a lecture about wasting their time due to this outrageous behaviour, I did miss the bus and had to walk home.

It was also 'common knowledge' at the time that the police knew who did but couldn't get enough evidence to arrest the person. I remember friends telling me who it was and where he lived, and that he couldn't go anywhere without being followed. It turned out this original suspect was innocent.
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Stolen kimono a clue

It is reported that DNA from a stolen kimono that was left at the scene of an attempted rape 28 years ago matched that recovered from the body of Ciara Glennon. This lead to the arrest of Bradley Robert Edwards who's DNA matched both samples.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/silk-...-ng-b88337818z
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I wonder what he has done in the last 20 years since then? Has he lived without breaking the law? If so what is the point in spending heaps of $ in prosecuting him? Finding out the facts can be done without prosecuting him and would reveal far more. Like where that missing third person is. It is in his interest for him to deny all knowledge of that third person. Is it to deter others? Most crimes that are solved are solved within a few years. It is rare for one to be solved after so many years.

There is also the possibility that this person is not guilty of anything. If so the trial would be a massive waste of money. Or maybe the evidence is not strong. I would not trust any witnesses to tell the truth. Forensic evidence can be faulty. So not much is left. The links in the OP give no clue as to what evidence police have.

I also wonder why the guilty person stopped committing those crimes?
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You have completely backed way from your "We are not in the 1980s" argument.
"We are not in the 1980s" is supposed to equal a claim, "corruption has been eradicated," and if one meant anything else the "we are not in the 80s" is meaningless?

That's an interesting but illogical train of thought. Clearly you prefer tackling straw men.

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I was a postgraduate student at the University of Western Australia at the time of these murders and lived close the scene. If I was working late and missed the last bus I had to walk home at night through at area close to where the disappearances took place.

One of the strangest encounters I had with the police was when I was rushing to my bus stop to catch the last bus. A police car pulled up beside me and started asking questions about where I was going. At first I thought they were concerned about the fact that I was walking close to a region where young women had disappeared and were planning to warn me and perhaps even offer me a ride. But it turned out that they were actually questioning me because I looked suspicious due to 'wearing dark clothes, walking quickly and carrying a large bag'. After a lecture about wasting their time due to this outrageous behaviour, I did miss the bus and had to walk home.

It was also 'common knowledge' at the time that the police knew who did but couldn't get enough evidence to arrest the person. I remember friends telling me who it was and where he lived, and that he couldn't go anywhere without being followed. It turned out this original suspect was innocent.
This is a fascinating account. It sucks they weren't interested in your safety. More than once I've had cops interested in my safety because I was in a bad place at a bad time. I'm sorry to hear that didn't happen in your case.
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That's an interesting but illogical train of thought.
Rather than put up an irony meter, I will ask you what the context of the 80s remark was.
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Rather than put up an irony meter, I will ask you what the context of the 80s remark was.
Ask lionking, something you didn't do. It was his post. My comment was, your post reflects serious tunnel vision.
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I wonder what he has done in the last 20 years since then? Has he lived without breaking the law? If so what is the point in spending heaps of $ in prosecuting him? Finding out the facts can be done without prosecuting him and would reveal far more. Like where that missing third person is. It is in his interest for him to deny all knowledge of that third person. Is it to deter others? Most crimes that are solved are solved within a few years. It is rare for one to be solved after so many years.

There is also the possibility that this person is not guilty of anything. If so the trial would be a massive waste of money. Or maybe the evidence is not strong. I would not trust any witnesses to tell the truth. Forensic evidence can be faulty. So not much is left. The links in the OP give no clue as to what evidence police have.

I also wonder why the guilty person stopped committing those crimes?
What a pile of steaming nonsense. He killed three people, but if he has been clean since then all is fine?

Despite psion10's conspiracy theory of police malfeasance, charging someone with murder is not an act taken lightly in Australia. I think they have their man. And his 20 years of not littering will count for absolutely nothing.
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I wonder what he has done in the last 20 years since then? Has he lived without breaking the law? If so what is the point in spending heaps of $ in prosecuting him? Finding out the facts can be done without prosecuting him and would reveal far more. Like where that missing third person is. It is in his interest for him to deny all knowledge of that third person. Is it to deter others? Most crimes that are solved are solved within a few years. It is rare for one to be solved after so many years.

There is also the possibility that this person is not guilty of anything. If so the trial would be a massive waste of money. Or maybe the evidence is not strong. I would not trust any witnesses to tell the truth. Forensic evidence can be faulty. So not much is left. The links in the OP give no clue as to what evidence police have.

I also wonder why the guilty person stopped committing those crimes?
All reasonable points but locally, the murders of these three women have never been far from the front page over the last 20 years or so. There is a strong public interest in the case.

An arrest and conviction would be quite the fillip for the police and the police commissioner. (No doubt, Colin Barnett is hoping that the good will from this arrest will extend to his government).

ETA There is no statute of limitations on murder.
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My comment was, your post reflects serious tunnel vision.
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Rather than put up an irony meter, I will ask you what the context of the 80s remark was.
You know well enough. In the 80s and earlier decades police corruption in Australia (particularly NSW) was rife. It isn't now and there are a lot of reasons for it. But this is all off-topic.

There is absolutely no reason to imagine police in this situation have acted inappropriately.
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In the 80s and earlier decades police corruption in Australia (particularly NSW) was rife. It isn't now and there are a lot of reasons for it.
That's what I thought you were saying.
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That's what I thought you were saying.
Typical straw man, claiming a statement that corruption has much improved since the 80s equates to, "corruption has been eradicated."
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Typical straw man, claiming a statement that corruption has much improved since the 80s equates to, "corruption has been eradicated."
So, substitute "much reduced" for "eradicated". It doesn't change much.
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That's what I thought you were saying.
And yet you claim I have said that police corruption has been eradicated. Your posts in this thread are for all to see. A withdrawal would be nice. But won't happen.
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So, substitute "much reduced" for "eradicated". It doesn't change much.
If you want to start a thread about the reduction (or otherwise) of police corruption in Australia, knock yourself out. Keep it out of this thread.
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So, substitute "much reduced" for "eradicated". It doesn't change much.
The hell it doesn't!
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If you want to start a thread about the reduction (or otherwise) of police corruption in Australia, knock yourself out.
I don't.
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What a pile of steaming nonsense. He killed three people, but if he has been clean since then all is fine?

Despite psion10's conspiracy theory of police malfeasance, charging someone with murder is not an act taken lightly in Australia. I think they have their man. And his 20 years of not littering will count for absolutely nothing.
You call what I have said steaming nonsense, yet you have not made any attempt to refute my post.


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All reasonable points but locally, the murders of these three women have never been far from the front page over the last 20 years or so. There is a strong public interest in the case.

An arrest and conviction would be quite the fillip for the police and the police commissioner. (No doubt, Colin Barnett is hoping that the good will from this arrest will extend to his government).

ETA There is no statute of limitations on murder.
He should be prosecuted because of public interest? I think that is a rather weak point. I agree with the ETA.

So my question stands, what is to gain from the prosecution?
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
You call what I have said steaming nonsense, yet you have not made any attempt to refute my post.
What's to refute? Your ridiculous opinion that someone shouldn't be prosecuted for a triple murder because 20 "innocent" years have elapsed?

Some things, like global warming is a hoax and evolution is a myth don't deserve refutation. Just like your opinion of the fate of this accused murderer.
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Old 24th December 2016, 02:39 AM   #35
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So my question stands, what is to gain from the prosecution?
You mean apart from a murderer facing justice?

Seriously, go back and review the logic of your posts in this thread.
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Old 24th December 2016, 02:53 AM   #36
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He should be prosecuted because of public interest? I think that is a rather weak point.
Perhaps but that is not a reason to stop pursuing a murderer and doling out parking tickets instead.

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I agree with the ETA.

So my question stands, what is to gain from the prosecution?
You can't have it both ways. Sending a message that you can get away with murder if enough time elapses is a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I don't need to. You acknowledged that it was happening in the 1980s (or that remark is completely meaningless).
I think in discussion of this specific case (and lets not run this off topic) the burden on proof is you.
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What a pile of steaming nonsense. He killed three people, but if he has been clean since then all is fine?

Despite psion10's conspiracy theory of police malfeasance, charging someone with murder is not an act taken lightly in Australia. I think they have their man. And his 20 years of not littering will count for absolutely nothing.
Allegedly. Let's remember he hasn't been tried yet so we don't know what all the evidence the police have is.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
What's to refute? Your ridiculous opinion that someone shouldn't be prosecuted for a triple murder because 20 "innocent" years have elapsed?

Some things, like global warming is a hoax and evolution is a myth don't deserve refutation. Just like your opinion of the fate of this accused murderer.
Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that we should not prosecute him, I was asking why are we doing this. That is a completely separate question. So far no good answer has come. You just bring up irrelevancies. Yet you call the question ridiculous. LOL.
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Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that we should not prosecute him, I was asking why are we doing this. That is a completely separate question. So far no good answer has come. You just bring up irrelevancies. Yet you call the question ridiculous. LOL.
No it's not
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